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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    And then there's Mar. The man is so uncharismatic that everything he does is seen in a bad light. He strived to fix the terribly anomalous MRT while still working with our bureaucracy, yet is seen as incompetent.
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    I agree that Mar tried to fix up the MRT mess or cover up but only after messing it up big time. When the Aquino admin started in 2010, the bag boys started collecting their share from existing contractors and business who has already paid their share during GMA's time. Sumitomo was one of them who has the maintenance contract for the MRT. The state of the MRT was not as horrible when this admin took over as what we know today. It's because when Mar's boys squeez more money from Sumitomo, the contractor just would not let go as they have already gave juice from previous admin. So Mar fired Sumitomo on the claim that the contract was anomalous thinking it's just another contractor and anyone can do the job. What happened next was a fiesta of contractors coming in to mess it up further as they are the boys of this admin and so was the Vitangcol story.

    If Sumitomo contract was anomalous as Mar will always claim, where is the case filed on anomalous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by macsd View Post
    I agree that Mar tried to fix up the MRT mess or cover up but only after messing it up big time. When the Aquino admin started in 2010, the bag boys started collecting their share from existing contractors and business who has already paid their share during GMA's time. Sumitomo was one of them who has the maintenance contract for the MRT. The state of the MRT was not as horrible when this admin took over as what we know today. It's because when Mar's boys squeez more money from Sumitomo, the contractor just would not let go as they have already gave juice from previous admin. So Mar fired Sumitomo on the claim that the contract was anomalous thinking it's just another contractor and anyone can do the job. What happened next was a fiesta of contractors coming in to mess it up further as they are the boys of this admin and so was the Vitangcol story.

    If Sumitomo contract was anomalous as Mar will always claim, where is the case filed on anomalous?
    Hi macsd, anomalous does not necessarily mean illegal. The MRT contract is anomalous in the sense that it puts the Philippine government and the Filipino people in a terrible disadvantage. I say this because MRTC (the owners of the MRT) is guaranteed a 15% dollar-denominated return for the next 25 years. I'm sure you're familiar with investments, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a deal as good as MRTC's deal with the government.

    I'm also quite disturbed with your understanding of the entire MRT situation. I would recommend for you to read this article: On a clear day you can see the MRT | The Society of Honor by Joe America. It's quite lengthy and a bit technical, but I'm sure that you're smart enough to understand it.

    A few key points to answer your post directly:
    - It is not the government that is directly responsible for bidding out and finding a suitable maintenance contractor for the MRT. That's MRTC's job. The government just pays.

    - Sumitomo had been screwing up the maintenance of the MRT as early as 2005. Yet, they were renewed 4 times by MRTC, charging higher fees each time.

    - It came to a point where Sumitomo's service was so poor (no spare parts, had to cannibalize parts from other trains, counterfeit replacements) and they were charging so high, that the government had to step in because MRTC wasn't doing their job (ensuring the MRT is maintained properly).

    - An emergency bidding was called (because a normal bidding would take 6 months to a year, and you can't stop MRT operations for that long) and this was when PH Trams/CB&T came in. While PH Trams was a new company without the size and scale to maintain the MRT, CB&T has actually been in the business for a long time, and has been responsible for the maintenance of LRT1.

    - PH Trams was found to have ties with Vitangcol, which is why he was sacked and is now facing graft charges.

    Bottomline: The MRT deal was so one-sided, and MRTC has been doing a very poor job of running and maintaining the MRT, that the government had to step in and correct the issue. They are now looking to buy out the contract so that the government can own, maintain, and operate the MRT themselves. However, this is a tedious and expensive (to the tune of 47 billion) process, so it will take time before the government can fully execute this plan and exercise ownership of the MRT.

    Until then, the government is doing its best with a terribly broken system, most notably with the acquisition of the much-needed new MRT coaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Hi macsd, anomalous does not necessarily mean illegal. The MRT contract is anomalous in the sense that it puts the Philippine government and the Filipino people in a terrible disadvantage. I say this because MRTC (the owners of the MRT) is guaranteed a 15% dollar-denominated return for the next 25 years. I'm sure you're familiar with investments, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a deal as good as MRTC's deal with the government.

    I'm also quite disturbed with your understanding of the entire MRT situation. I would recommend for you to read this article: On a clear day you can see the MRT | The Society of Honor by Joe America. It's quite lengthy and a bit technical, but I'm sure that you're smart enough to understand it.

    A few key points to answer your post directly:
    - It is not the government that is directly responsible for bidding out and finding a suitable maintenance contractor for the MRT. That's MRTC's job. The government just pays.

    - Sumitomo had been screwing up the maintenance of the MRT as early as 2005. Yet, they were renewed 4 times by MRTC, charging higher fees each time.

    - It came to a point where Sumitomo's service was so poor (no spare parts, had to cannibalize parts from other trains, counterfeit replacements) and they were charging so high, that the government had to step in because MRTC wasn't doing their job (ensuring the MRT is maintained properly).

    - An emergency bidding was called (because a normal bidding would take 6 months to a year, and you can't stop MRT operations for that long) and this was when PH Trams/CB&T came in. While PH Trams was a new company without the size and scale to maintain the MRT, CB&T has actually been in the business for a long time, and has been responsible for the maintenance of LRT1.

    - PH Trams was found to have ties with Vitangcol, which is why he was sacked and is now facing graft charges.

    Bottomline: The MRT deal was so one-sided, and MRTC has been doing a very poor job of running and maintaining the MRT, that the government had to step in and correct the issue. They are now looking to buy out the contract so that the government can own, maintain, and operate the MRT themselves. However, this is a tedious and expensive (to the tune of 47 billion) process, so it will take time before the government can fully execute this plan and exercise ownership of the MRT.

    Until then, the government is doing its best with a terribly broken system, most notably with the acquisition of the much-needed new MRT coaches.
    Amen sir Jut and i'll take that from you.

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    Survey results before and after Duterte's rape joke.



    On a nationwide level, Roxas gains slightly at the expense of Duterte and Binay.

    In NCR, Duterte drops significantly, absorbed by Poe. Curious to note that the MRT-riding NCR voters really despise Roxas. It's really easier to say, "it's Mar's fault" than to realize that this current administration has been trying to fix a terribly broken, 2-decade old system.

    SEC-wise, Duterte has lost quite a lot in class ABC, and Poe slightly as well. Biggest gainer is Roxas. Pretty much reflective of what's going on in my own circles, but I understand that these social media blockbusters don't affect class DE (a bigger chunk of the population).

    Curious to know the results after the 3rd debate and after Duterte's SALN issue. All I can say is that it's not yet a closed book. A lot happens in 10 days.


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    It's not over until somebody take their oath come June.


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    Si poe at bong bong daw susuportahan ng INC........?


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    1000 pesos from Mar

    Vote buying... galing ng mga recipients. Masaya na sila sa 1k...

    Mar roxas Vote buying P1000 caught By GMA7 liberal part - YouTube

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    Whatever happens... On May 10 we will return to Everest Vs Montero vs Fortuner

    And we'll be hating our new oresident shortly thereafter


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    Quote Originally Posted by viper888 View Post
    Whatever happens... On May 10 we will return to Everest Vs Montero vs Fortuner

    And we'll be hating our new oresident shortly thereafter


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    Haters will hate. All the candidates have platforms to do. Whoever wins will partly/probably do some of their supposed promises.

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    Duterte still up; Roxas inches up | Inquirer News

    In the vice presidential race, Sen. Ferdinand Marcos Jr. remains on top with one in every three respondents (31 percent) saying they would vote for him had the elections been held last week.

    In second solo place is Camarines Sur Rep. Leni Robredo with 26 percent, followed by Sen. Francis Escudero (18 percent) and Sen. Alan Peter Cayetano (15 percent), who are statistically tied in third place.

    This is where the Lapiang Palpak should concentrate. Drop Mar as he has no way to win but rather focus all resources to Leni. If they don't do it, they will end up zero instead of a 50% gain.

    Following them are Sen. Antonio Trillanes (3 percent) and Sen. Gringo Honasan (2 percent).
    The reason why Trillanes dare was to resign as senator and quit the VP race as his at the tail end zero or negative chance of winning. On his giving up his senator seat, of course he will give it up as he has no choice for his a last term senator who cannot run again until 2019. His dare is nothing to loose everything to gain, so stupid. His dare should he be proven wrong on bank acct is he will commit harakiri to be more reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macsd View Post
    Duterte still up; Roxas inches up | Inquirer News

    This is where the Lapiang Palpak should concentrate. Drop Mar as he has no way to win but rather focus all resources to Leni. If they don't do it, they will end up zero instead of a 50% gain.
    Some Roxas party mates already realize this and now they are supporting Poe. I know from bicol and another group in luzon now support Poe.

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    The last stretch of the campaign up to Election Day is where being a admin bet is an advantage.

    This where the machinery is gonna work. No need to mobilize people since it's already there.

    Ito na yun binabanatayan ng mga baranggay/Puruk leaders Sa baba yun mga Tao Nila and corral them to the precinct and cast their votes.

    Kaya walang kwenta yun leading Sa social media or Internet. Half of these netizens are not even registered then 15-20% probably are not even in voting age. Band wagoners Lang.

    Remember more than half of registered voters don't have access to Internet. That's the number admin is banking of getting.

    Binay knows it and so do mar.

    Yan mga leaders Sa baba binabantayan na mga members Nila ngayon pa lang baka meron maka pirate.


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    ... you wish ...

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    Wag nyo na ipilit yung machinery ni mar roxas. Yung year 2010 dapat hindi sya nagwithdraw para lang kay noynoy. Si noynoy ang "grace poe" nung year 2010 election na dahil sa magulang kaya nanalo. The difference eh si manny villar lang kalaban nya kaya panalo talaga.

    Eh ngayon malas ni mar at grace poe. Kumandidato reluctantly si duterte.

    At lalong-lalo pinakamalas si binay. Ilan months number 1 sa survey tapos biglang pang apat na lang. hahahahah.

    Sa nakikita ko ang mga desperate manalo ng presidentiable eh pagalingan na lang ng hacker. Kaya dapat ang comelec galing-galingan nila kasi pag na buking na naman sila eh civil war ito.

    Kaya mga volunteers sa precint watch nyo talaga mga hocus focus. Iba ang labanan pag computerized na.

    Dapat sa next election wag na sa mga baragay kasi mas madali mandugas jan. . Mas maganda sa mga mall na lang mas mahirap mandugas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    The last stretch of the campaign up to Election Day is where being a admin bet is an advantage.

    This where the machinery is gonna work. No need to mobilize people since it's already there.

    Ito na yun binabanatayan ng mga baranggay/Puruk leaders Sa baba yun mga Tao Nila and corral them to the precinct and cast their votes.

    Kaya walang kwenta yun leading Sa social media or Internet. Half of these netizens are not even registered then 15-20% probably are not even in voting age. Band wagoners Lang.

    Remember more than half of registered voters don't have access to Internet. That's the number admin is banking of getting.

    Binay knows it and so do mar.

    Yan mga leaders Sa baba binabantayan na mga members Nila ngayon pa lang baka meron maka pirate.


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    Yan ang totoo. May gapangan pa yan on election eve.

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    BLOOD ON AQUINOS HAND

    Duterte camp: Malacañang behind demolition job; Trillanes a pawn

    Read more: Duterte camp: Malacanang behind demolition job; Trillanes a pawn | Inquirer News

    Malacañang is behind the demolition job against leading presidential candidate Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte, his camp said on Saturday.
    “(Senator Antonio) Trillanes is but a pawn. The brain behind is Malacañang,” Leoncio Evasco Jr., Duterte’s campaign manager said in a statement.
    Evasco said Malacañang was “bent on thwarting a victory by Duterte.”
    “It is desperately trying to save the candidacy of Mar Roxas and is poised to employ all means, including massive cheating, to maintain the status quo,” he said.
    "They made the election a very dirty political exercise. They want it confined among the elite. They cannot stomach an outsider, one who has captivated the imagination of the people but does not come from their ranks,” Evasco said.
    The former rebel priest said both President Benigno Aquino III and Roxas ‘belong to the landed elite who only have contempt against the majority of Filipinos clamoring for genuine and real change.”
    “During the watch of (Aquino) and Roxas, we saw how they remorselessly sacrificed the lives of our gallant police officers in Mamasapano,” Evasco said.
    He also cited the Kidapawan incident, which killed at least three protesting farmers asking for government aide amid the massive drought.
    “When hungry farmers demanded rice because the severe drought is killing their children, they answered back by firing at the protesters and in the process killing 3 and wounding scores of others. It was an exercise of brutal state euthanasia,” he said.

    Evasco said they have been expecting black propaganda to become “more vicious and intense as Duterte began to rise in the surveys.”
    Trillanes, who earlier claimed that he was supporting the candidacy of Senator Grace Poe, said that the tough-talking mayor has over P200 million in his Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) account on Julia Vargas branch in Pasig City.
    But despite the series of attacks against Duterte, Evasco said people continue to rally behind the mayor.
    “For the first time, people have rallied behind a man – a leader – who is giving them hope,” he said.
    He said this was bringing “fear into the senses of the Aquino government and their minions.”
    That is the reason, he said, why they unleashed Trillanes who he called as “a failed putschist and a reckless mercenary of the Aquino government.” IDL

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    Ano ba talaga kuya? Kala ko si Trillanes ang attack dog ni Poe...? Can't make up your minds?


    Cayetano defends Duterte: Trillanes is a ‘Poe-tector’ | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

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    Hilahan, Gapangan at Liluan na stage ngayon.....

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    Hilahan, Gapangan at Liluan na stage ngayon.....

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    Parang ginawa dati ni GMA kay Fernando Poe Jr.

    Election is more about branding and marketing. Du30's PR guy is so good parang PR guy ni erap. Hehehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A121 View Post
    Parang ginawa dati ni GMA kay Fernando Poe Jr.

    Election is more about branding and marketing. Du30's PR guy is so good parang PR guy ni erap. Hehehe.
    In a close fight yes it makes sense and possible. But in a wide margin , parang 1986 snap election yan where the computer guys walked out.

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