Tampered kaya Odometer ko???

[ranken]

Hi Guys, Im a newbie at this site, dami ko natutunan sa kababasa ng mga topics dito ( Very informative site ). Observant lang ako for the past 2 months, ngayon lang din ako nag-post and gusto ko sanang buhayin yung topic regarding sa tampering ng odometer.

Just got a 2nd hand Pizza pie lancer ( 97 model ) El last July 2006, nakuha ko sya sa isang nag-bubuy and sell dito sa Cavite ( I used to work here in Cavite kaya dito na din ako nakakuha ng sasakyan ). Medyo madami na din ako pinaayos pero so far mga mild repairs palang ( wheel alignments and palit signal bulbs, timpla carburator ).

Ok naman nung kotse and yung mileage ( indicated sa Digital odometer ) ay nsa 77K palang yung reading.

Pero after 2 months palang ng ginagamit namin yung car, napansin ko yung odometer reading nya ay may lumalabas na symbol na E dun sa Hundreds digit, minsan lumilitaw pa yung 1 dun sa millions digit, di ko muna masyadong pinansin , pero after a few days nagulat na lang ako ng maging 188K na yung mileage reading nya sa odometer.

Tinawagan ko nga yung nagbenta sa akin and inexplain yung nangyari and nag-suggest siya na baka may problema lang daw yung sensor ( Pero duda ko may ginalaw na sila dun sa odometer ).

Ngayon namumrublema ako kung papano ko mamomonitor ng tama kung kailan ako kailangan magpa-changeoil, timing belt monitoring etc since nakadepende yun sa odometer reading..kainis talaga..

Plano ko nga siyang ipasok sa Mitsubshi casa dito sa Cavite, Di ko pa sure kung magkano magagastos dun.

Tanong ko lang guys kung ano kaya posibleng nangyari? tama kaya na may problema lang daw yung sensor ( Actually di ko alam kung anung sensor yung ibig nyang sabihin ) or worse, talagang ginalaw yung odometer.

Anu kaya posibleng solusyon dun? kaya kayang i-determine ng Casa yung actual odometer reading ng sasakyan? Any ideas kung magkanu palit digital odometer?

I'll be waiting for yor reply guys..

Many Thanks.

[OTEP]

Sir baka yung speed sensor ang medyo may problema. Or yung connection mula sensor to LCD display. Minsan kasi may mga repairs na kailangan ibaba ang instrument cluster. Baka may natamaan or may hindi nabalik ng mahigpit.

As for now, you can use a time-based maintenance schedule.

[ranken]

Thanks Sir Otep sa reply.

Sana nga sir yun lang din ang naging problema, ang pinaayos ko lang kasi dun na involve yung wheels ay yung alignment ( 4 na gulong ) and pati yung adjustment sa hand brake, besides dun pinatimpla ko lang din ng tama yung carburator ( medyo mausok kasi siya kapag pinaandar makina sa umaga,pero nawawala din naman siya, pero nung matimpla na carburator, A & M kamuning, nawala na usok ).

Sir tanung ko lang po baka kasi may alam kayo na mahusay tumingin sa mga ganitong case or do i have to resort nalang din sa Casa?

Again, Thank you po..

[OTEP]

Mukhang wala ka namang nagawang pwedeng cause nung problem. Pwedeng sa dating may ari pa ang dahilan niyan.

Yung electronic speed sensor ng Pajero is almost Php5,000.00 sa casa. Hindi naman siguro ganun kamahal ang labor kasi madali lang siya ikabit (sa transmission housing lang). Sa Banawe merong nag-alok ng Php2,500.00 para sa brand new speed sensor.

Ewan ko lang kung yun din ang sensor ng Lancer. Pwede mo naman ipa-diagnose na muna sa dealer. Kung simpleng parts replacement lang, bili ka na lang kung saan mo gusto.

[1D4LV]

Mukhang wala ka namang nagawang pwedeng cause nung problem. Pwedeng sa dating may ari pa ang dahilan niyan.

Yung electronic speed sensor ng Pajero is almost Php5,000.00 sa casa. Hindi naman siguro ganun kamahal ang labor kasi madali lang siya ikabit (sa transmission housing lang). Sa Banawe merong nag-alok ng Php2,500.00 para sa brand new speed sensor.

Ewan ko lang kung yun din ang sensor ng Lancer. Pwede mo naman ipa-diagnose na muna sa dealer. Kung simpleng parts replacement lang, bili ka na lang kung saan mo gusto.

an advice though.... you can really never know if it was tampered or not of if the sensor is defective. your concern now is to check the parts which might be affected IF the mileage is really 188k kms.

for one, your timing belt is really at risk. even though the previous owner changed that at 90k, another 90k, you are required to replace that.

my advice is for you to immediately perform a visual check of the parts that might need immediate replacement. start with your TBs and your other belts (alternator, aircon, etc.). kung medyo ok pa yan, that means that your sensors are really defective (its really hitting two birds with one stone).

remember, mileage is not only the focal reference point in getting a second hand car. everything boils down to how the previous owner maintains it. a car could only reflect 50k on the odometer, but goes through hours and hours of traffic, which means, more than 50k na natakbo nyan. and a car could only reflect 50k on the odometer, but the previous owner's maintenance habit could be nil (sakay, takbo lang...).

just check on the parts affected (as stated above, the belts, shocks, tires, a/c condition, electricals, etc.)

[ranken]

Sir thanks sa advice.

Mas maganda nga sir kung ma-diagnose nalang din siguro sa Casa para makita problema. Medyo may kamahalan din pla yung sensor. I'll just try it one of these days na madala sa Casa.

I'll post it nalang din dito sir kapag na-diagnosed na din problema.

Many Thanks..

[ranken]

an advice though.... you can really never know if it was tampered or not of if the sensor is defective. your concern now is to check the parts which might be affected IF the mileage is really 188k kms.

for one, your timing belt is really at risk. even though the previous owner changed that at 90k, another 90k, you are required to replace that.

my advice is for you to immediately perform a visual check of the parts that might need immediate replacement. start with your TBs and your other belts (alternator, aircon, etc.). kung medyo ok pa yan, that means that your sensors are really defective (its really hitting two birds with one stone).

remember, mileage is not only the focal reference point in getting a second hand car. everything boils down to how the previous owner maintains it. a car could only reflect 50k on the odometer, but goes through hours and hours of traffic, which means, more than 50k na natakbo nyan. and a car could only reflect 50k on the odometer, but the previous owner's maintenance habit could be nil (sakay, takbo lang...).

just check on the parts affected (as stated above, the belts, shocks, tires, a/c condition, electricals, etc.)

Thanks Sir Happy_Gilmore sa advice.

Yes you're right, actually kinakabahan nga ako kaya dapat talagang ma-check ng mabuti yung kotse para malaman kung dapat na talagang magpalit ng TB.

Hirap talaga kapag 2nd hand ang kotse. Dami sakit ulo..

Hope the problem will be solved in an economic way.

Thanks and less fuel consumption!

[chuaed]

madali lang ma-tampered ang analog na odometer ( i actually withness it before sa kasa pa ginagawa iyun)... iyun mga pinapa test drive na kotse, mga pag demo... usually ginagawa nila binubunot ang speedometer cable para hindi mag run ang odometer... pero there are times na nakalimutan nila tangalin iyun at no choice dapat i balik nila sa previous setting, ginagawa nila tinatangal nila iyun other end ng speedometer cable then sak-sak nila sa isang barena para mag run ang hanggan makuha nila ang desired reading...

malas malas lang iyun nakabili na nagamit na pang test drive iyun kotse... bago pa lang laspag na... tsk tsk tsk

i don't know kung ganyan din ginagawa nila ngayon...

[OTEP]

malas malas lang iyun nakabili na nagamit na pang test drive iyun kotse... bago pa lang laspag na... tsk tsk tsk

Sir, malas lang iyan kapag binenta ng full price. Most car companies sell them as ex-demos at a discounted price. Pero sobrang hirap maka-tsamba kasi ginagamit pa lang as demonstrator 'binabakuran' na ng mga malalakas sa casa. Kumbaga may nag-rereserve na.

Mas madali pang makakuha ng NOS (new-old-stock) kaysa ex-demo. Pero siguro dahil mas mahal pa din kahit papano ang NOS sa ex-demo.

[chuaed]

Sir, malas lang iyan kapag binenta ng full price. Most car companies sell them as ex-demos at a discounted price. Pero sobrang hirap maka-tsamba kasi ginagamit pa lang as demonstrator 'binabakuran' na ng mga malalakas sa casa. Kumbaga may nag-rereserve na.

Mas madali pang makakuha ng NOS (new-old-stock) kaysa ex-demo. Pero siguro dahil mas mahal pa din kahit papano ang NOS sa ex-demo.

sa ibang dealership na may consience ganoon gagawin, unfortunately in some cases majority of them sell their car at full price... barena lang nila speedometer, kaunting detailing... ayan... bago ulit...

worse iyun bago sasakyan na naaksidente, nabanga, nawasak... if repairable aayusin nila mabuti tapos ibebenta as brand new at full price din...

prospective clients will never know the difference... even the most experienced one will never know... its after nagamit mo na iyun sasakyan for several days saka pa lang lilitaw ang mga defects...

i know because i used to work in an automotive dealership...

fyi, for all prospective buyer, if you purchase a brand new car then delivered at your house/office, check the odometer, ask for the log/time record from the driver who delivers the vehicle to verify what time the car left the dealership (sa totoo lang iyun mga nagdedeliver sometimes pinapasyal nila iyun kotse bago madala sa client), and inspect the whole car inside and out in a clear daylight check also the ashtray... if they delivered the vehicle in the evening expect there is a problem... should you see the problem even a minute one don't accept it, don't sign anything and have them returned the unit... then go to the dealership the next day and complain and ask for a different car, and preferably pick the car up yourself...

[ronald_m]

kahit Digital ODOMETER, pwedeng i-tamper. same process as the above.

The True reading is stored in Ecu.
ON some cars.

[red_pajero]

Ha?! Kahit Digital ODOMETER pwede na rin pala i-tamper? My brother bought a second hand altis 1.8G. 22+k lang mileage nito nung binili nya. But after 4 months 86+k na agad ang mileage nito and he didnt even went out of town on that car. sabi nya nag jump raw yung mileage nung mag 30k na mileage nya. instead of 30k it went to 40k then when it suppose to go 50k it went to 60k. lagi na dadag dagan ng 10k yung mileage nya then when he reach 100k it went back to 0k. Do u think my brothers ODOMETER is tampered?

[chris_d]

This is just my opinion...

Most of the time I think if the odometer jumps its reading, it has definitely been tampered. An odometer isnt exactly a very complex device. Just like a water meter. Even our 23 year old car has an odometer that had never jumped a digit. Of course it is entirely possible that there is a problem with the odometer, but this is highly unlikely.

Instead of just looking at the mileage, look at other indicators, how worn out is the steering wheel, seats, pedals, etc., Have the tires been replaced? How about the shocks? If yes, baka naman high mileage na yan na inayos lang. Sa pagkaka alam ko kasi shocks and tires would last more than the measly 30-40,000 kms.

[1D4LV]

Ha?! Kahit Digital ODOMETER pwede na rin pala i-tamper? My brother bought a second hand altis 1.8G. 22+k lang mileage nito nung binili nya. But after 4 months 86+k na agad ang mileage nito and he didnt even went out of town on that car. sabi nya nag jump raw yung mileage nung mag 30k na mileage nya. instead of 30k it went to 40k then when it suppose to go 50k it went to 60k. lagi na dadag dagan ng 10k yung mileage nya then when he reach 100k it went back to 0k. Do u think my brothers ODOMETER is tampered?

baka sira din yung odo/speedo sensor

[red_pajero]

guys, ilan bang digit ang digital odo? ang 2002 altis 1.8g variant ng brother 5 digits lang kasi after mag 99k mileage back to 0k mileage again. san bang shop pwede mag pa check/pagawa ng odo/speedo sensor? mahirap ba gawin toh? how long at how much kaya? tnx for the reply.

[OTEP]

Speedo sensors are usually throw away items. They are rarely serviceable. Plugging a new one in on a Pajero is a 10 minute affair. The sensor itself cost close to Php5k at the dealer. Around Php2,500 in Banawe (BestColt).

[ranken]

Speedo sensors are usually throw away items. They are rarely serviceable. Plugging a new one in on a Pajero is a 10 minute affair. The sensor itself cost close to Php5k at the dealer. Around Php2,500 in Banawe (BestColt).

Hi Guys,

Just had my 97 EL lancer checked sa casa ( Mitsu Cavite ) para ma-check yung odometer kung ano naging problema....Hindi ako satisfied sa nangyaring check-up.

Bali tiningnan lang nung parang visor yung reading sa instrument panel and sinabi na malamang natampered na daw iyun ( alam agad ? ), Binuksan nila yung hood and sinilip lang yung makina at kung san nakakabit yung sensor ( sabi ko kasi na baka yung sensor yung may problema ), sinilip lang tapus sabi nya na hindi daw sila nagche-check ng ganun ( electrical system ) and kailangan daw na baklasin pa yung assembly dun pati yung sa instrument panel and kung anu-ano pa..tapus tinanong ko kung magkano aabutin kapag pinalitan yung sensor and odometer kung sakaling defective,,ang sabi e...di daw sila nagpapalit nuon?????? e kung hindi puede sa inyo e ....SAAN PA KAYA PUEDE???? ( CASA NA NGA SILA DI BA???? )...

Medyo mahinahon lang ako and di nagpahalatang inis..tapus tinanong ko nalang kung kaya ba nilang ma-determine kung talaga bang 188k na yung mileage nun just by looking on the car itself ( 77k lang kasi mileage nun nung makuha ko, tapus biglang naging 188k after 2 months na 50 kms a week ave. travel, di naman ako bumibyahe ng pagudpud to allen samar araw-araw kaya talagang katakataka ..)

Tapus di pala puede ma-check sa pc yung mileage kasi di siya EFI, so tanong ko nalang kung napalitan na ba yung timing belt para magkaalaman na ( dapat alam nila kung napalitan na yun diba )..so binuksan nila yung cover tapus sinilip lang and sabi dapat na daw palitan TB tapus binalik agad belt cover, nakita ko yung belt mukhang maayos pa naman, may konting langis lang yung gilid ng cover tapus sabi dapat ko na daw palitan agad ...

Tinanong ko ulit ng mahinahon kung napalitan na ba yung TB and di na sumagot yung visor ...

So in short...di din ako nakakuha ng sagot sa CASA na iyon...wala kinahantungan pagpunta namin dun...

Plano ko na nga lang dalhin sa mga talagang marunong mag-check sa mga ganitong klaseng problema..yung may makukuha namang result and magandang suggestion di yung panay palit lang alam i-reccomend ..Wala bang Mang Mario na puedeng puntahan pagdating sa ganitong case??? May alam kaya kayong odometer specialist na puedeng pagpagawaan???

Help ulit

Thanks

[1D4LV]

Hi Guys,

Just had my 97 EL lancer checked sa casa ( Mitsu Cavite ) para ma-check yung odometer kung ano naging problema....Hindi ako satisfied sa nangyaring check-up.

Bali tiningnan lang nung parang visor yung reading sa instrument panel and sinabi na malamang natampered na daw iyun ( alam agad ? ), Binuksan nila yung hood and sinilip lang yung makina at kung san nakakabit yung sensor ( sabi ko kasi na baka yung sensor yung may problema ), sinilip lang tapus sabi nya na hindi daw sila nagche-check ng ganun ( electrical system ) and kailangan daw na baklasin pa yung assembly dun pati yung sa instrument panel and kung anu-ano pa..tapus tinanong ko kung magkano aabutin kapag pinalitan yung sensor and odometer kung sakaling defective,,ang sabi e...di daw sila nagpapalit nuon?????? e kung hindi puede sa inyo e ....SAAN PA KAYA PUEDE???? ( CASA NA NGA SILA DI BA???? )...

Medyo mahinahon lang ako and di nagpahalatang inis..tapus tinanong ko nalang kung kaya ba nilang ma-determine kung talaga bang 188k na yung mileage nun just by looking on the car itself ( 77k lang kasi mileage nun nung makuha ko, tapus biglang naging 188k after 2 months na 50 kms a week ave. travel, di naman ako bumibyahe ng pagudpud to allen samar araw-araw kaya talagang katakataka ..)

Tapus di pala puede ma-check sa pc yung mileage kasi di siya EFI, so tanong ko nalang kung napalitan na ba yung timing belt para magkaalaman na ( dapat alam nila kung napalitan na yun diba )..so binuksan nila yung cover tapus sinilip lang and sabi dapat na daw palitan TB tapus binalik agad belt cover, nakita ko yung belt mukhang maayos pa naman, may konting langis lang yung gilid ng cover tapus sabi dapat ko na daw palitan agad ...

Tinanong ko ulit ng mahinahon kung napalitan na ba yung TB and di na sumagot yung visor ...

So in short...di din ako nakakuha ng sagot sa CASA na iyon...wala kinahantungan pagpunta namin dun...

Plano ko na nga lang dalhin sa mga talagang marunong mag-check sa mga ganitong klaseng problema..yung may makukuha namang result and magandang suggestion di yung panay palit lang alam i-reccomend ..Wala bang Mang Mario na puedeng puntahan pagdating sa ganitong case??? May alam kaya kayong odometer specialist na puedeng pagpagawaan???

Help ulit

Thanks

hehehe bro. mukhang minalas ka sa casa ah.
for one, ang daling baklasin ng speedo assembly. had done it in less than 15 minutes.

pangalawa. i would suggest that you try to consult other reputable shops for the timing belt. ang timing belt kasi, may look new, but in reality, nawawala na yung pagiging pliant and stretchability ng goma. also, there might be small cracks inside the belt which can affect the performance of the belt, and might cause big damage in the future. if you have time, try to bring it to speedyfix. (dito ata sa may crame ang shop nya diba?)

pag nacheck na yung tb, then that will be the time you can validate if your speedo/odo has been tampered with. mas malaking issue yung TB eh. if it has been tampered with, then definitely, wala na tayong magagawa dyan. pag ok pa yung TB, then suspect a defective sensor, which you can deal with later.

one more question. ngayon, pag tumatakbo ka, ano nangyayari sa ODO? tumatakbo naman sya ng maayos? nag rereflect ba ng correct distance or something?

[OTEP]

Madali lang alisin ang instrument cluster. I used to take them out of the company cars dun sa pinagtatrabahuan ni baiskee. Kinukuha ko kasi yung 'green condom' ng bulbs. hehehe. I know it's bad, hindi ko na ginagawa ngayon.

[ranken]

hehehe bro. mukhang minalas ka sa casa ah.
for one, ang daling baklasin ng speedo assembly. had done it in less than 15 minutes.

pangalawa. i would suggest that you try to consult other reputable shops for the timing belt. ang timing belt kasi, may look new, but in reality, nawawala na yung pagiging pliant and stretchability ng goma. also, there might be small cracks inside the belt which can affect the performance of the belt, and might cause big damage in the future. if you have time, try to bring it to speedyfix. (dito ata sa may crame ang shop nya diba?)

pag nacheck na yung tb, then that will be the time you can validate if your speedo/odo has been tampered with. mas malaking issue yung TB eh. if it has been tampered with, then definitely, wala na tayong magagawa dyan. pag ok pa yung TB, then suspect a defective sensor, which you can deal with later.

one more question. ngayon, pag tumatakbo ka, ano nangyayari sa ODO? tumatakbo naman sya ng maayos? nag rereflect ba ng correct distance or something?

Thanks sa reply.

Yup, medyo minalas nga kami dun sa CASA na yun..

Actually my plan was to replace na lang din ASAP yung TB para nga makasigurado, di ko nga masyado maitakbo yung sasakyan ng malayuan dahil nga sa condition nya..

Gumagana naman yung odometer kapag ginagamit namin sasakyan, kahit yung trip meter ok naman ( Nai-seset ko pa sa zero yung Trip meter) ..pero di ko lang talaga sure kung calibrated pa yun, baka kasi may discrepancy na yung reading nya..

Ask ko lang kung may mabibilhang digital odometer sa banaue? any ideas with regards to the cost? May nagpapalit kaya nun sa Banaue?

Nakakairita lang kasing tingnan yung Metro lalo na't yung 188k mileage yung nakabungad agad ..