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  1. Join Date
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    #21
    Hi Guys, Im a newbie at this site, dami ko natutunan sa kababasa ng mga topics dito ( Very informative site ). Observant lang ako for the past 2 months, ngayon lang din ako nag-post and gusto ko sanang buhayin yung topic regarding sa tampering ng odometer.

    Just got a 2nd hand Pizza pie lancer ( 97 model ) El last July 2006, nakuha ko sya sa isang nag-bubuy and sell dito sa Cavite ( I used to work here in Cavite kaya dito na din ako nakakuha ng sasakyan ). Medyo madami na din ako pinaayos pero so far mga mild repairs palang ( wheel alignments and palit signal bulbs, timpla carburator ).

    Ok naman nung kotse and yung mileage ( indicated sa Digital odometer ) ay nsa 77K palang yung reading.

    Pero after 2 months palang ng ginagamit namin yung car, napansin ko yung odometer reading nya ay may lumalabas na symbol na E dun sa Hundreds digit, minsan lumilitaw pa yung 1 dun sa millions digit, di ko muna masyadong pinansin , pero after a few days nagulat na lang ako ng maging 188K na yung mileage reading nya sa odometer.

    Tinawagan ko nga yung nagbenta sa akin and inexplain yung nangyari and nag-suggest siya na baka may problema lang daw yung sensor ( Pero duda ko may ginalaw na sila dun sa odometer ).

    Ngayon namumrublema ako kung papano ko mamomonitor ng tama kung kailan ako kailangan magpa-changeoil, timing belt monitoring etc since nakadepende yun sa odometer reading..kainis talaga..

    Plano ko nga siyang ipasok sa Mitsubshi casa dito sa Cavite, Di ko pa sure kung magkano magagastos dun.

    Tanong ko lang guys kung ano kaya posibleng nangyari? tama kaya na may problema lang daw yung sensor ( Actually di ko alam kung anung sensor yung ibig nyang sabihin ) or worse, talagang ginalaw yung odometer.

    Anu kaya posibleng solusyon dun? kaya kayang i-determine ng Casa yung actual odometer reading ng sasakyan? Any ideas kung magkanu palit digital odometer?

    I'll be waiting for yor reply guys..

    Many Thanks.

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    #22
    Sir baka yung speed sensor ang medyo may problema. Or yung connection mula sensor to LCD display. Minsan kasi may mga repairs na kailangan ibaba ang instrument cluster. Baka may natamaan or may hindi nabalik ng mahigpit.

    As for now, you can use a time-based maintenance schedule.

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    #23
    Thanks Sir Otep sa reply.

    Sana nga sir yun lang din ang naging problema, ang pinaayos ko lang kasi dun na involve yung wheels ay yung alignment ( 4 na gulong ) and pati yung adjustment sa hand brake, besides dun pinatimpla ko lang din ng tama yung carburator ( medyo mausok kasi siya kapag pinaandar makina sa umaga,pero nawawala din naman siya, pero nung matimpla na carburator, A & M kamuning, nawala na usok ).

    Sir tanung ko lang po baka kasi may alam kayo na mahusay tumingin sa mga ganitong case or do i have to resort nalang din sa Casa?

    Again, Thank you po..

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    #24
    Mukhang wala ka namang nagawang pwedeng cause nung problem. Pwedeng sa dating may ari pa ang dahilan niyan.

    Yung electronic speed sensor ng Pajero is almost Php5,000.00 sa casa. Hindi naman siguro ganun kamahal ang labor kasi madali lang siya ikabit (sa transmission housing lang). Sa Banawe merong nag-alok ng Php2,500.00 para sa brand new speed sensor.

    Ewan ko lang kung yun din ang sensor ng Lancer. Pwede mo naman ipa-diagnose na muna sa dealer. Kung simpleng parts replacement lang, bili ka na lang kung saan mo gusto.

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    #25
    Quote Originally Posted by OTEP View Post
    Mukhang wala ka namang nagawang pwedeng cause nung problem. Pwedeng sa dating may ari pa ang dahilan niyan.

    Yung electronic speed sensor ng Pajero is almost Php5,000.00 sa casa. Hindi naman siguro ganun kamahal ang labor kasi madali lang siya ikabit (sa transmission housing lang). Sa Banawe merong nag-alok ng Php2,500.00 para sa brand new speed sensor.

    Ewan ko lang kung yun din ang sensor ng Lancer. Pwede mo naman ipa-diagnose na muna sa dealer. Kung simpleng parts replacement lang, bili ka na lang kung saan mo gusto.
    an advice though.... you can really never know if it was tampered or not of if the sensor is defective. your concern now is to check the parts which might be affected IF the mileage is really 188k kms.

    for one, your timing belt is really at risk. even though the previous owner changed that at 90k, another 90k, you are required to replace that.

    my advice is for you to immediately perform a visual check of the parts that might need immediate replacement. start with your TBs and your other belts (alternator, aircon, etc.). kung medyo ok pa yan, that means that your sensors are really defective (its really hitting two birds with one stone).

    remember, mileage is not only the focal reference point in getting a second hand car. everything boils down to how the previous owner maintains it. a car could only reflect 50k on the odometer, but goes through hours and hours of traffic, which means, more than 50k na natakbo nyan. and a car could only reflect 50k on the odometer, but the previous owner's maintenance habit could be nil (sakay, takbo lang...).

    just check on the parts affected (as stated above, the belts, shocks, tires, a/c condition, electricals, etc.)

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    #26
    Sir thanks sa advice.

    Mas maganda nga sir kung ma-diagnose nalang din siguro sa Casa para makita problema. Medyo may kamahalan din pla yung sensor. I'll just try it one of these days na madala sa Casa.

    I'll post it nalang din dito sir kapag na-diagnosed na din problema.

    Many Thanks..

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    #27
    Quote Originally Posted by happy_gilmore View Post
    an advice though.... you can really never know if it was tampered or not of if the sensor is defective. your concern now is to check the parts which might be affected IF the mileage is really 188k kms.

    for one, your timing belt is really at risk. even though the previous owner changed that at 90k, another 90k, you are required to replace that.

    my advice is for you to immediately perform a visual check of the parts that might need immediate replacement. start with your TBs and your other belts (alternator, aircon, etc.). kung medyo ok pa yan, that means that your sensors are really defective (its really hitting two birds with one stone).

    remember, mileage is not only the focal reference point in getting a second hand car. everything boils down to how the previous owner maintains it. a car could only reflect 50k on the odometer, but goes through hours and hours of traffic, which means, more than 50k na natakbo nyan. and a car could only reflect 50k on the odometer, but the previous owner's maintenance habit could be nil (sakay, takbo lang...).

    just check on the parts affected (as stated above, the belts, shocks, tires, a/c condition, electricals, etc.)
    Thanks Sir Happy_Gilmore sa advice.

    Yes you're right, actually kinakabahan nga ako kaya dapat talagang ma-check ng mabuti yung kotse para malaman kung dapat na talagang magpalit ng TB.

    Hirap talaga kapag 2nd hand ang kotse. Dami sakit ulo..

    Hope the problem will be solved in an economic way.

    Thanks and less fuel consumption!

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    #28
    madali lang ma-tampered ang analog na odometer ( i actually withness it before sa kasa pa ginagawa iyun)... iyun mga pinapa test drive na kotse, mga pag demo... usually ginagawa nila binubunot ang speedometer cable para hindi mag run ang odometer... pero there are times na nakalimutan nila tangalin iyun at no choice dapat i balik nila sa previous setting, ginagawa nila tinatangal nila iyun other end ng speedometer cable then sak-sak nila sa isang barena para mag run ang hanggan makuha nila ang desired reading...

    malas malas lang iyun nakabili na nagamit na pang test drive iyun kotse... bago pa lang laspag na... tsk tsk tsk

    i don't know kung ganyan din ginagawa nila ngayon...

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    #29
    malas malas lang iyun nakabili na nagamit na pang test drive iyun kotse... bago pa lang laspag na... tsk tsk tsk
    Sir, malas lang iyan kapag binenta ng full price. Most car companies sell them as ex-demos at a discounted price. Pero sobrang hirap maka-tsamba kasi ginagamit pa lang as demonstrator 'binabakuran' na ng mga malalakas sa casa. Kumbaga may nag-rereserve na.

    Mas madali pang makakuha ng NOS (new-old-stock) kaysa ex-demo. Pero siguro dahil mas mahal pa din kahit papano ang NOS sa ex-demo.

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    #30
    Quote Originally Posted by OTEP View Post
    Sir, malas lang iyan kapag binenta ng full price. Most car companies sell them as ex-demos at a discounted price. Pero sobrang hirap maka-tsamba kasi ginagamit pa lang as demonstrator 'binabakuran' na ng mga malalakas sa casa. Kumbaga may nag-rereserve na.

    Mas madali pang makakuha ng NOS (new-old-stock) kaysa ex-demo. Pero siguro dahil mas mahal pa din kahit papano ang NOS sa ex-demo.
    sa ibang dealership na may consience ganoon gagawin, unfortunately in some cases majority of them sell their car at full price... barena lang nila speedometer, kaunting detailing... ayan... bago ulit...

    worse iyun bago sasakyan na naaksidente, nabanga, nawasak... if repairable aayusin nila mabuti tapos ibebenta as brand new at full price din...

    prospective clients will never know the difference... even the most experienced one will never know... its after nagamit mo na iyun sasakyan for several days saka pa lang lilitaw ang mga defects...

    i know because i used to work in an automotive dealership...

    fyi, for all prospective buyer, if you purchase a brand new car then delivered at your house/office, check the odometer, ask for the log/time record from the driver who delivers the vehicle to verify what time the car left the dealership (sa totoo lang iyun mga nagdedeliver sometimes pinapasyal nila iyun kotse bago madala sa client), and inspect the whole car inside and out in a clear daylight check also the ashtray... if they delivered the vehicle in the evening expect there is a problem... should you see the problem even a minute one don't accept it, don't sign anything and have them returned the unit... then go to the dealership the next day and complain and ask for a different car, and preferably pick the car up yourself...
    Last edited by chuaed; September 7th, 2006 at 05:21 AM.

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