Plug (pasak) then Patch (tapal) on tire?

[k_leos]

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Not too familiar with `subies but marami here who will chip in. Hintay lang tayo for their input.

Teka... eh how much ba yung vulcanizing method you're comfortable with? Mahal na siguro ang P400 (may super generous tip na rin yun) I'm saying this because paano if mapako ka ulit, replace tires again? Wow!

I asked around saan pinaka ok na vulganizing center. Sa kamuning daw. Dito ko pinagawa kasi ang laki place and hindi lang sa tabi tabi. 250 pesos bayad ko sa counter.





Well. If na flat ulit ako. Saan ba pinaka best na vulganizing center sa buong metro manila? Gusto ko direct na sa the best. With automatic tire changing machine and uses combination patch/plug pa. I'm willing kahit to pay 800 pesos. Gusto ko ma visit one today para ma patch na. Pa grind ko loob without removing the existing rubber plug with pliers. Kasi if ma removed, malaki na hole and talaga pasok water that can rust the belts.

[dr. d]

I asked around saan pinaka ok na vulganizing center. Sa kamuning daw. Dito ko pinagawa kasi ang laki place and hindi lang sa tabi tabi. 250 pesos bayad ko sa counter.





Well. If na flat ulit ako. Saan ba pinaka best na vulganizing center sa buong metro manila? Gusto ko direct na sa the best. With automatic tire changing machine and uses combination patch/plug pa. Gusto ko ma visit one today para ma patch na. Pa grind ko loob without removing the existing rubber plug with pliers. Kasi if ma removed, malaki na hole and talaga pasok water that can rust the belts.

so, is your tyre leaking?

sa dinami-dami nang tyre shops na nasubukan ko over the years,
puro cold patch ang insist ko.
wala naman akong di-kanais-nais na karanasan.
even the roadway lean-to, with its all-manual methods, did a fine job.

only once did i ever get a pasak job, from servitek even,
and it leaked.
'swhy i never pasak'd again.

might i inquire,
why did you get a pasak, and not the more popular cold patch?

[k_leos]

so, is your tyre leaking?

sa dinami-dami nang tyre shops na nasubukan ko over the years,
puro cold patch ang insist ko.
wala naman akong di-kanais-nais na karanasan.
even the roadway lean-to, with its all-manual methods, did a fine job.

only once did i ever get a pasak job, from servitek even,
and it leaked.
'swhy i never pasak'd again.

might i inquire,
why did you get a pasak, and not the more popular cold patch?

Days ago after na flat, I put temporary air with a pump then went to Kamuning to look for a vulganizing shop. I asked around in gas stations. And one pointed me to Perilli. The technician didn't offer me any choice. (wala sila patch method). Kala ko nga new method yung string rubber (because my old honda, lahat is patch work) . When he inserted the screw driver and I asked bakit nya pinalaki hole.. para daw ma kasya yun string rubber. 3 pa sila gumawa. Then one of them get a can of used engine oil, the other one gets a screw driver and tried to drop some oils into the hole para lubrication daw. Then na insert nya.

Now my worry is if the wheel spins fast, baka the centripetal force can dislodge the rubber plug?

Anyway. Kanina I called Tyreshark in Ortigas. They said if 6 years old na ang tired ay hindi na daw puwede i-patch, kasi if they will use the machine press to remove the rim, baka ma tear daw ang sidewall? How true?

So parang choice for me is to replace all tires. Is dunlop a good brand? It's the cheapest na 8900 pesos (3 + 1 free).

In the net, I read tires have expiration date which is 6 years after manufactured. It's like rubber band. When you stretch old rubber bands, meron na cracks because of natural degradation. Since 6 years now maybe dapat ma replace na all tires?

Kayo guys, how long tires nyo before palit nyo new? 10 years? 13 years?

[dr. d]

Days ago after na flat, I put temporary air with a pump then went to Kamuning to look for a vulganizing shop. I asked around in gas stations. And one pointed me to Perilli. The technician didn't offer me any choice. (wala sila patch method). Kala ko nga new method yung string rubber (because my old honda, lahat is patch work) . When he inserted the screw driver and I asked bakit nya pinalaki hole.. para daw ma kasya yun string rubber. 3 pa sila gumawa. Then one of them get a can of used engine oil, the other one gets a screw driver and tried to drop some oils into the hole para lubrication daw. Then na insert nya.

Now my worry is if the wheel spins fast, baka the centripetal force can dislodge the rubber plug?

Anyway. Kanina I called Tyreshark in Ortigas. They said if 6 years old na ang tired ay hindi na daw puwede i-patch, kasi if they will use the machine press to remove the rim, baka ma tear daw ang sidewall? How true?

So parang choice for me is to replace all tires. Is dunlop a good brand? It's the cheapest na 8900 pesos (3 + 1 free).

In the net, I read tires have expiration date which is 6 years after manufactured. It's like rubber band. When you stretch old rubber bands, meron na cracks because of natural degradation. Since 6 years now maybe dapat ma replace na all tires?

Kayo guys, how long tires nyo before palit nyo new? 10 years? 13 years?

some of my current innova tires came from the innova factory... installed onto the vehicle, 10 years ago. seldom-used kasi yung innova na 'yon.

my take, is that while we have only two seasons locally, hot and dry and hot and wet,
in other countries, they have extremes of hot and very freezing cold. their tyres there are subjected to extremes of weather conditions.
my guess is, tire companies have this type of challenging driving conditions, 'swhy they came up with 'stringent' tyre policy.

some years back,
a popular international tyre manufacturer came up with an infomercial entitled, "tires are not bananas".
it's still in google, po.
read it and be informed. it's good for the wallet.
heh heh.

if convenient enough,
try west avenue in QC.
there are some tyre shops there.

[dr. d]

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The Yokohama tire is from a Subaru Forester bought in 2015. It has a 255/60R17 written in the tire. Yesterday I saw the price of it is around 11,000 pesos. May alam kayo ng tire na ganyan na mura lang?

9,000 bucks.
lazada.
DIY installation, of course.
heh heh.

[gearhead000]

Days ago after na flat, I put temporary air with a pump then went to Kamuning to look for a vulganizing shop. I asked around in gas stations. And one pointed me to Perilli. The technician didn't offer me any choice. (wala sila patch method). Kala ko nga new method yung string rubber (because my old honda, lahat is patch work) . When he inserted the screw driver and I asked bakit nya pinalaki hole.. para daw ma kasya yun string rubber. 3 pa sila gumawa. Then one of them get a can of used engine oil, the other one gets a screw driver and tried to drop some oils into the hole para lubrication daw. Then na insert nya.

Now my worry is if the wheel spins fast, baka the centripetal force can dislodge the rubber plug?

Anyway. Kanina I called Tyreshark in Ortigas. They said if 6 years old na ang tired ay hindi na daw puwede i-patch, kasi if they will use the machine press to remove the rim, baka ma tear daw ang sidewall? How true?

So parang choice for me is to replace all tires. Is dunlop a good brand? It's the cheapest na 8900 pesos (3 + 1 free).

In the net, I read tires have expiration date which is 6 years after manufactured. It's like rubber band. When you stretch old rubber bands, meron na cracks because of natural degradation. Since 6 years now maybe dapat ma replace na all tires?

Kayo guys, how long tires nyo before palit nyo new? 10 years? 13 years?

More than the centripetal/centrifugal force of the tires spinning... it's more the constant deformation of the tire while it spins, lalo na kung medyo underinflated. Overinflation din since nandun naman ang pressure ng hangin na matutulak yung plug.

some of my current innova tires came from the innova factory... installed onto the vehicle, 10 years ago. seldom-used kasi yung innova na 'yon.

my take, is that while we have only two seasons locally, hot and dry and hot and wet,
in other countries, they have extremes of hot and very freezing cold. their tyres there are subjected to extremes of weather conditions.

some years back,
a popular international tyre manufacturer came up with an infomercial entitled, "tires are not bananas".
it's still in google, po.
read it and be informed. it's good for the wallet.
heh heh.

Eto ba, Doc?

[dr. d]

Eto ba, Doc?

'yan nga!
read the article, folks. it offers more info than the color poster here.

[Syuryuken]

Lagi akong may reserbang mushroom patch pag na flat daan lang ako sa mga service center ng yokohama or bridgestone

[dr. d]

when it comes to tire leak repair,
i find that most of the time, the most difficult part is looking for the leak.
over the decades, i could count with two hands, the number of times that the puncture presented itself to me.
often, i had to have the tyre removed and placed in the magical tire leak finder-upper, aka, half-drum filled with water.
hence my in-ability to relate to DIY.

[Dr.Kamiya]

IMO plugs are more of a field repair thing. Usually mga off-roaders / overlanders gumagamit since they'd often have air compressors on their rigs, but it can be useful even for cars, especially the sporty ones that don't even carry a spare.

I think there's a picture somewhere of a Porsche that ****ed up his brake calipers because the owner fitted a spare that did not properly clear the brakes. Carrying a couple of plugs and a small air compressor could have gotten him back on the road with a lot less grief.

In a shop where the wheel can be properly dismounted I'd always choose a patch over a plug.

[k_leos]

Before buying 4 new wheels, I need to try something. Pa redone ko yun plug (pasak) sa right vulganizing who use can use proper tools. So I guess he will push the existing ones inside, clean/remove the oil, and then use a new string rubber plug that is glued inside using the right tools as explained in:

How To Use A Tire Plug Kit The Right Way

Now the biggest question is, sino vulganizing shop or repair center na meron right tools or own complete kits like in Lazada



Who are competent enough to do it? You can dm me if you don't it mentioned here. Thanks.

[StockEngine]

youre going in circles. just have it patched at another tire center. even if the tire is over 6yo you can still use it. the pictures tell me theyre still decent even in wet conditions.

goodyear tire centers are ok.

[kagalingan]

kleo,

mukhang hindi ka na nakakatulog jan magnewnew year na stress na stress ka. Dalhin mo muna doon sa sinabi ko 150 lang sedan 200 ata 250 pag monstero / fortuner size gulong.

masyado na advance mga gulong. Sa kotse ko ngayon litaw na alambre ginagamit ko pa din. City driving naman ako.

6years ago nga bumiyak na portion gulong dinadrive ko pa din habang hindi nagfaflat. Ganyan ako kakuripot hahaha!!!!

Wag ka muna bumili bagong gulong. Ipacheck mo sa vulcanizing dahil sa dami ng experience alam nila kung tatagal or risky na.

[dr. d]

Sa kotse ko ngayon litaw na alambre ginagamit ko pa din. City driving naman ako.

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heh heh heh.

[dr. d]

Before buying 4 new wheels, I need to try something. Pa redone ko yun plug (pasak) sa right vulganizing who use can use proper tools. So I guess he will push the existing ones inside, clean/remove the oil, and then use a new string rubber plug that is glued inside using the right tools as explained in:

How To Use A Tire Plug Kit The Right Way

Now the biggest question is, sino vulganizing shop or repair center na meron right tools or own complete kits like in Lazada



Who are competent enough to do it? You can dm me if you don't it mentioned here. Thanks.

like stock says,
bring it to a tyre shop and have them apply a cold patch. end of problem.

and don't worry about the five-lug design.
'buti ka nga, the trickster has to loosen five lugs.
he has to loosen only four lugs in my small car, but it hasn't happened yet.
'knock on wood.'

.. might i inquire,
how long have you had this vehicle?

[TheUninvited]

Actually ang norm yata nowadays is yung patch plug combination. Bali cold patch siya na may built-in plug na din. So you get the best repair possible.

Wala lang ako alam na local shop na may ganyan na.

Anyway, okay pa naman ang cold patch. I've had a huge hole that required 3 patches, okay pa naman till now. Naka akyat na din ng Baguio.

Medyo badtrip lang kase 1 week old pa lang sakin yung PS4 when it happened.

[k_leos]

like stock says,
bring it to a tyre shop and have them apply a cold patch. end of problem.

and don't worry about the five-lug design.
'buti ka nga, the trickster has to loosen five lugs.
he has to loosen only four lugs in my small car, but it hasn't happened yet.
'knock on wood.'

.. might i inquire,
how long have you had this vehicle?

Do you know the inside view of a tyre string plugged? I learnt a lot yesterday. here is how it look like



The hole is much bigger than just from the original nail or screw. Not only that. This is inside view of tire after the string plug was placed.




If you will grind the inside surface of the hole for patch repair. You should remove the blob. And if you remove the blob, masama rin yun little plug in the hole, or ma detached easily. When glenn_duke was describing about patching after plugging days ago. I imagined the string plug as extended straight and the tyre much thicker, so kala ko ma retain the plug after inner surface grind. Pero realized hindi puwede yesterday.

If you leave the hole open, it's much larger than from the nail when you do any patch as first attempt without any plug. Much mabilis ma rust belt with open hole.

Therefore hindi feasible yun patching it after removing the plug. Hence I'm repeating the plug, just tell me saan exactly vulcanizing shop with complete plug kit and procedure used. Remember sa akin they didnt use reamer to roughten the inside hole and didn't use rubber cement but instead oil.

This is complete and right procedure to do a string plug, reamer must be used and rubber cement

Tyre Puncture Repair Kit Tutorial - YouTube

I owned the car for 6 years already, the tyres original and not yet replaced.

Wala mabili na mushroom patch dito. I checked at lazada last night and it will take a week or more from china to arrive. I need to use the car before one week. Unless Syuryuken can share a piece of them here since the minimum you can buy is 20 pieces? Also hope you can tell me Syuyuken, saan exactly na Yokohama center pina install mo mushroom patch so doon ko rin pagawa. Mahirap yun pa try mo sa any vulganizing shop for first time. Kasi you still need to put sealant around the mushroom flat head after putting the rubber cement, and pulled the mushroom stem from the outside, too much force ma tear. Too little hindi maka contact. Dapat yun expert na kabit dyan.

[Miles_on]

Anyway, okay pa naman ang cold patch. I've had a huge hole that required 3 patches, okay pa naman till now. Naka akyat na din ng Baguio.

I would've made it a spare tire na lang siguro in my case.

Share ko na rin and quote from the manufacturer's website:

Do not attempt to repair tires with tread punctures larger than 6mm or any sidewall puncture

What to Do With a Soft or Flat Tyre | Michelin Tyre Safety


Other highlights from the web page:

An on-the-wheel plug-only repair is not reliable and is dangerous because after a puncture the inside of a tire must be inspected.

The proper repair of a radial tire (most tires) includes the placing of a rubber patch on the inner liner of the tire and a rubber filling of the hole.

Ang tanong, based on the discussion so far, may facilities ba dito sa `Pinas for the so called "proper repair", or tipong 3rd world bara bara (whatever works!) repairs lang? Wala pa naman ata nadale sa atin (pwera usog!) from mga local na gawa

[dr. d]

Do you know the inside view of a tyre string plugged? I learnt a lot yesterday. here is how it look like



The hole is much bigger than just from the original nail or screw. Not only that. This is inside view of tire after the string plug was placed.




If you will grind the inside surface of the hole for patch repair. You should remove the blob. And if you remove the blob, masama rin yun little plug in the hole, or ma detached easily. When glenn_duke was describing about patching after plugging days ago. I imagined the string plug as extended straight and the tyre much thicker, so kala ko ma retain the plug after inner surface grind. Pero realized hindi puwede yesterday.

If you leave the hole open, it's much larger than from the nail when you do any patch as first attempt without any plug. Much mabilis ma rust belt with open hole.

Therefore hindi feasible yun patching it after removing the plug. Hence I'm repeating the plug, just tell me saan exactly vulcanizing shop with complete plug kit and procedure used. Remember sa akin they didnt use reamer to roughten the inside hole and didn't use rubber cement but instead oil.

This is complete and right procedure to do a string plug, reamer must be used and rubber cement

Tyre Puncture Repair Kit Tutorial - YouTube

I owned the car for 6 years already, the tyres original and not yet replaced.

Wala mabili na mushroom patch dito. I checked at lazada last night and it will take a week or more from china to arrive. I need to use the car before one week. Unless Syuryuken can share a piece of them here since the minimum you can buy is 20 pieces? Also hope you can tell me Syuyuken, saan exactly na Yokohama center pina install mo mushroom patch so doon ko rin pagawa. Mahirap yun pa try mo sa any vulganizing shop for first time. Kasi you still need to put sealant around the mushroom flat head after putting the rubber cement, and pulled the mushroom stem from the outside, too much force ma tear. Too little hindi maka contact. Dapat yun expert na kabit dyan.

if you must use the car, and you fear for your safety using that pasak'd tyre,
replace your pasak'd tyre with your spare tyre.
use your pasak'd tyre as your spare tyre, in the meantime.
you may have that pasak'd tyre patched up with cold patch or other method, at your leisure, if you wish.
or, if you fear for your safety, even if that tyre has already been 'repaired', then just purcha$e a new tyre. hey! it's six years old, if you believe that.

over the years,
i have experienced flat tyre in so many ways.
alambre, pakong bakya, screwdriver shaft (no handle), one peso coin (the tear was so long, tyre folks thought it was dangerous to repair), and even a stationary lamp post's sharp metal base (ripped my tyre to shreds).

while i did once have a pasak repair from a branded establishment (it leaked still!), none of my cold patch repairs have ever failed.
i have tried several shops, from fully-manual lean-to jobs in the nearby province, to fully-powered brand-name establishments in the big city.

good luck, sir.

[Miles_on]

and even a stationary lamp post's sharp metal base.

Ah, you said it Doc.
Not just lamp posts, other hazards I've come across included an old sign post na putol na (nilagare... ninakaw and sold by the kilo pehaps) Didn't hit the tire, but scratched the left fender/bumper.

Hindi mo pa makita yung mga yan! Out of your field of vision below the hood (mababa eh).