Plug (pasak) then Patch (tapal) on tire?

**k_leos** · December 31st, 2021 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by dr. d

if you must use the car, and you fear for your safety using that pasak'd tyre,
replace your pasak'd tyre with your spare tyre.
use your pasak'd tyre as your spare tyre, in the meantime.
you may have that pasak'd tyre patched up with cold patch or other method, at your leisure, if you wish.
or, if you fear for your safety, even if that tyre has already been 'repaired', then just purcha$e a new tyre. hey! it's six years old, if you believe that.

over the years,
i have experienced flat tyre in so many ways.
alambre, pakong bakya, screwdriver shaft (no handle), one peso coin (the tear was so long, tyre folks thought it was dangerous to repair), and even a stationary lamp post's sharp metal base (ripped my tyre to shreds).

while i did once have a pasak repair from a branded establishment (it leaked still!), none of my cold patch repairs have ever failed.
i have tried several shops, from fully-manual lean-to jobs in the nearby province, to fully-powered brand-name establishments in the big city.

good luck, sir.

Does anyone know where to buy this locally?

It's not available at lazada local but overseas and will take more than a week to arrive.

Does anyone have this? It is 468 pesos for 24 pcs or 20 pesos a piece. I can buy it for 100 a piece ok lang or you can give to me if you (anyone) has extra

My extra tire has different width and mags.

This is the tire specs.

Also yesterday I learnt something important.

1. A tire is not like rubber put over metal ring (like wedding ring). Instead fibers in the belt and plies are wound around the rubber. That is. The belt and plies are made of fibers. Without rubber that adhere to them, the fibers can't support themselves. So it's like the rubber, belt and plies support one another.

2. After 6 years or more depending on weathering, the plasticizer in the rubber can degrade causing water to seep in and damage the fibers in the belts and plies. This is how it can degrade.

3. When you have small nail damage and use patch. Not many fibers are destroyed and even if it can rust, only small spot (maybe? imagine your tire in the flood and water seeping inside, but my cousin said he never used patch because ma rust daw inside).

4. I have a CRV made in early 2000 and had half a dozen tire punctures that used patch repair methods and no problems. Early this week, first time to see a stick on or pasag or plug method, and shocked how they made the hole much wider. So you can't patch it with already that big a hole. Instead use mushroom patch.

5. For pasag repair method. If you use the reamer in the kit, there are a few damages in the fibers when the reamer is inserted. So in those pasag or plugs that fails, it is because the damage to the fibers are great that is why it can cause the spot or area to bulge. So maybe suwertehan how the technician do the pasak or stick on or plug in your tire??

5. If I can't find a mushroom patch locally and no one willing to share one. Then pa proper pasag ko with right reamer and used glue in the kit. But can I just let him push the existing string rubber inside the tyre? During driving, can the string rubber accelerate and damage the tire or other unwanted effects? Must it be removed by opening up the rim?

6. Most important. Saan pinaka competent na service center which can do the pasag (stick on or string plug). I called up Car Zone (Bouncy now), Mega motion, etc. in Banawe early this week but they didn't do any vulcanizing or plug/patch repair, that was why I was forced to go to Kamuning and ended up with the service center that put oil inside without any glue.

**boybi** · December 31st, 2021 12:24 PM

If always in doubt, buy a new tire every time mabutasan ka ng gulong para walang multo sa isip.

**dr. d** · December 31st, 2021 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by boybi

If always in doubt, buy a new tire every time mabutasan ka ng gulong para walang multo sa isip.

right!
but for this tyre only.
after all, the tyre is 6 years old na...

but if the guys believe in 6-year tyre lifespans... perhaps replace all four tyres...!

personally,
i don't doubt the tyre.
but the other guys might.

if post-er has doubts,
i suggest he bring it to the official tire brand dealer, and ask their opinion.
if they say it can be safely repaired using ordinary means, so be it. have it repaired then and there.
if they say the tyre is unsafe, then he's already in the right place to purchase a new tyre.

**uls** · December 31st, 2021 12:35 PM

ay jusko para lang sa pasak patche...

tama

palit bagong gulong nalang tuwing natusok ang gulong

jusko

**uls** · December 31st, 2021 12:43 PM

kaya may mga service center ayaw nila pinapanood ng customer habang nagtatrabaho mga mekaniko

may mga customer kasi masyado maselan

like have you seen paano mag ayos ng pang ilalim ng sasakyan?

ung palit shocks, lahat ng bushing, tierod, etc

ung papaluin ng maso para matanggal mga lumang piesa

pag nakita ng customer yan "OMG what are you doing to my baby?!!"

**dr. d** · December 31st, 2021 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by uls

kaya may mga service center ayaw nila pinapanood ng customer habang nagtatrabaho mga mekaniko

may mga customer kasi masyado maselan

like have you seen paano mag ayos ng pang ilalim ng sasakyan?

ung palit shocks, lahat ng bushing, tierod, etc

ung papaluin ng maso para matanggal mga lumang piesa

pag nakita ng customer yan "OMG what are you doing to my baby?!!"

i stay away far enough,
para hindi ma-anggihan ng kalawang or langis.

if i trust the guy naman,
dun na lang ako sa proferred upuan. mas ok kung may dumaang taho-man.

car ownership is indeed a unique experience.

**oj88** · December 31st, 2021 12:58 PM

Sama mo na yung debate about using compressed air vs nitrogen.

I'd probably get this much anal about tire plugs if we're talking about space shuttles and airline tires, where each wheel is filled up to hundreds of psi.

For road vehicles, any half-decent plug will work. Just know the limits of the tire...... that means, it's probably a bad idea to track the vehicle or drive it up to its rated speed index after a puncture.

**k_leos** · December 31st, 2021 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by dr. d

right!
but for this tyre only.
after all, the tyre is 6 years old na...

but if the guys believe in 6-year tyre lifespans... perhaps replace all four tyres...!

personally,
i don't doubt the tyre.
but the other guys might.

if post-er has doubts,
i suggest he bring it to the official tire brand dealer, and ask their opinion.
if they say it can be safely repaired using ordinary means, so be it. have it repaired then and there.
if they say the tyre is unsafe, then he's already in the right place to purchase a new tyre.

I already asked Subaru 2 days ago. They don't repair tire. And they don't know nearest tyre repair center. Bahala na daw ang customers mag hanap.

I don't have budget to put 4 new tires at same time because pandemic has nearly closed my business already, and Omicron is coming.

If I just put one new Yokohama tire with same spec of 225/60 R17, with full thread thickness. What would happen to the 3 other tires. Would their treads get thin faster or would it involves only the new tire? Any animation of the effects?

I was supposed to go to fort yesterday but because of the condition of the tire, i didn't use it and my old CRV is not for long distant. Kaya nakakulong lang sa bahay kami family. This afternoon, baka close na lahat na quality tire repair centers.

Just suggest a good one with the most advanced tire changing machine, or used complete plugging method with glue inserted. Because I don't want to take another chance with random shop. I'll just wait for the best shop para punta ako dun in January 3. Thank you for all the help guys.

**Miles_on** · December 31st, 2021 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by boybi

If always in doubt, buy a new tire every time mabutasan ka ng gulong para walang multo sa isip.

Originally Posted by uls

ay jusko para lang sa pasak patche...

Originally Posted by oj88

I'd probably get this much anal about tire plugs if we're talking about space shuttles and airline tires, where each wheel is filled up to hundreds of psi.

Napansin nyo rin pala...

I dropped a hint in my post yesterday, kaya nga napa "Wow" na lang ako at the end

Isip ko lang, ang tiyaga ng mga regulars dito

On the bright side though, yung info being shared is interesting & useful naman din.

**dr. d** · December 31st, 2021 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by k_leos

If I just put one new Yokohama tire with same spec of 225/60 R17, with full thread thickness. What would happen to the 3 other tires. Would their treads get thin faster or would it involves only the new tire? Any animation of the effects?

i once purchased one new tyre, and mixed it with the three older ones.
i noted no significant difference in car behavior or performance.
did one tyre wear faster than the rest?
i wouldn't know. kasi, it was still several years afterward, that the older tyres became bald enough for replacement. by that time, i couldn't care less anymore.