Gas saving device

**odeereambillo** · October 12th, 2004 01:25 AM

Originally posted by ghosthunter
My most convenient time is when you have scanned and emailed the documents to me.

ghosthunter*tsikot.com

Don't complain... the guy from EGO also emailed his "supporting" documents the same way.

is that a wide band a/f meter or a standard 7 bar meter?

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So this proves that the device is NOT properly tested for reduced pollution! Basically this can be taken as an admission by you that the device is not tested for pollution.

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So this proves that the device is NOT properly tested for increased power nor increase fuel milage.

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I could use Jose_Rizal or George_Washington as my login name if that would change anything.

Given the two proven fakes who are giving positive testimonies for the device in question, I find difficult for find trust and honor. [/B]

Sir,

sige po email ko sayo lahat ng docs supplied to me by IIC.

alin po ba ang mas maganda, wide band or ung standard 7 bar?

Sir, i'll email you the doc that proves it was properly tested. sa Taiwan po ung emission testing para walang "lagay"

Increase in HP po wala po akong nabasa sa mga docs na binigay ng IIC sakin. Fuel mileage po, ung doc na Ford Makati Test Results ang e-email ko sa inyo.

Sino po ang tinutukoy niyo na "proven fakes"?

thanks & more POWER!

Odee

**kiper** · October 12th, 2004 01:32 AM

Odee.. Ang request ko po ay thru e-mail or post it here. Hindi ba pwede yun? Sayang sa gas pag nagkita pa tayo eh.. or kung gusto mo sunod ka sakin sa Boracay sa sembreak, bakasyon ako dun. Di naman ako bibili kaagad-agad eh. All I'm asking for are documents concerning evivedences of your good product -- "SEND IT THRU E-MAIL." Yan malinaw na ha.

About blugsr & jplazo.. Hwag mo na sila pakialaman kung fakers man sila or hindi. Magkakilala ba kayo?

**squala** · October 12th, 2004 01:37 AM

Isn't it that if they can prove the correct air-fuel mixture through reliable measures, then the NOx issue is settled?

**odeereambillo** · October 12th, 2004 01:47 AM

Originally posted by kiper
Odee.. Ang request ko po ay thru e-mail or post it here. Hindi ba pwede yun? Sayang sa gas pag nagkita pa tayo eh.. or kung gusto mo sunod ka sakin sa Boracay sa sembreak, bakasyon ako dun. Di naman ako bibili kaagad-agad eh. All I'm asking for are documents concerning evivedences of your good product -- "SEND IT THRU E-MAIL." Yan malinaw na ha.

About blugsr & jplazo.. Hwag mo na sila pakialaman kung fakers man sila or hindi. Magkakilala ba kayo?

Sir,

OK po, send ko sa email.

Si blu_gsr po was introduced to me by Raijuta to test my product. JPlazo was introduced in turn by blu_gsr dahil satisfied po siya, jplazo eventually ordered 2 units and had them installed on the same day (i.e. on two cars). That's why i sincerely doubt that their posts came from one IP address!

thanks po & more POWER!

Odee

**odeereambillo** · October 12th, 2004 02:05 AM

Originally posted by Auto_Xer
For proper testing of emissions you'd need a 5 gas analyser.
I know of one, it costs around $6k FOB if your interested.

Imo, most magic fuel saving devices are just placebo effect devices.
Just because you installed something you unconciously change your driving habits slightly, just enough to produce the improvement in fuel economy your looking for.

I've tried a few of those gadgets some time in the past out of curiousity at a time when I didn't know any better.

Now that I know better, I don't.

Not an expert, just common sense combined with knowledge of how some things work....

Sir, san po ung testing center?

thanks & more POWER!

Odee

**ericp** · October 12th, 2004 02:21 AM

HI Odee,

Gud AM....curious lang ako...do you have copies of the original test results? I mean those that are being used as basis for the ads?

Na-test na ba talaga yung product ...using "real" test equipment...ever?

Thanks !

**Tiny** · October 12th, 2004 03:01 AM

Originally posted by odeereambillo
Sir,

pls clarify.. are you saying that blugsr & jplazo are "fakers"? i thought you could check their IPs. i sincerely doubt if they come from both/same IP.

Odee

Having the different IP does not mean they're not the same people, all they have to do is log in using another ISP and that would result to a different IP address.

The fact is that these people never in this thread provided scientific proofs and that most of the arguments for the product is composed of different forms of fallacies is enough to nullify their claims.

Perhaps this link may assist you to choose what to avoid in the presentation of your proofs that your product works.

**mazdamazda** · October 12th, 2004 09:20 AM

Originally posted by squala
Isn't it that if they can prove the correct air-fuel mixture through reliable measures, then the NOx issue is settled?

for starters, the ECU is already doing that! that's why you have all those sensors (lambda/o2, air mass, etc)!

now, what this devices does is to put in additional air after the ECU has calculated the optimal air-fuel mixture. this would result in a lean mixture.

as i've said before, a lean mixture would slightly improve HC & CO emmission and fuel consumption - BUT the downside of it is that large amount of NOx will not be burned up by the catalyst.

that's because the catalytic converter operates at around 1 to 0.9 lambda (or 15:1 air-fuel mix). any changes in the mixture (like what the device is doing) would result in non-optimal performance of the catalytic converter.

now, what I don't get is how on earth will the said device "measure" the air-fuel mixture and on how it will interact with the ECU.

**blugsr98** · October 12th, 2004 09:21 AM

Originally posted by ghosthunter
I noticed something in that thread.

blu_gsr_98 has a total of only 5 messages posted.
All five messages are basically in this message thread.

Do I smell "fake" accounts?

Ghosthunter,
please take a look on WHEN i have my account registered. it seems that you overlooked that one...

I don't post on this forum coz, i really don't have anything to share with the group. This time, i see this experience of mine on this device worth sharing. that's the reason why i opted to post it here.

remember i told you i only have limited knowledge on cars? that's the reason why i only read posts here to gain knowledge and not to share anytihing 'coz that time i don'thave anything to share with the group.

does that answer your question? hmm, seems that your nose is clogged with "something".

or do you really want to prove that you are rght saying that raijuta and myself are fake, why don't we just proceed with the demo and meet you there in person. that is if you have the "xxxxx".

Also, seems that your forgetting somethin. we are not the dealer we are the customer here.

**blugsr98** · October 12th, 2004 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Tiny
Having the different IP does not mean they're not the same people, all they have to do is log in using another ISP and that would result to a different IP address.

The fact is that these people never in this thread provided scientific proofs and that most of the arguments for the product is composed of different forms of fallacies is enough to nullify their claims.

Perhaps this link may assist you to choose what to avoid in the presentation of your proofs that your product works.

Tiny, would you dare to see us in person as well as our cars with the khaos device on it? just let us know for you to stop judging our existence. hehehe... ;)