Gas saving device

**mazdamazda** · October 12th, 2004 07:16 PM

but, if someone else wants to put it on his car, more power to him, it's a free country.

problem is that this would only worsten the air-pollution here in our country.

given that only the mid 90s vehicles and above are equipped with cat converters and that these are alreay being threatened by the said device.

**ghosthunter** · October 12th, 2004 07:44 PM

Originally posted by mazdamazda
problem is that this would only worsten the air-pollution here in our country.

air pollution
smog
acid rain
respiratory disease
asthma

**kiper** · October 13th, 2004 03:38 AM

Quoted From FORD CLUB PHILIPPINES by firesnake

ewan ko lang ha kung talagang effective yan, pero tama si teyji nagloko timing namin diyan.

Both of these guys drives a FORD Lynx 1.3L, equipped with stock & very sensitive MAF Sensors (Alikabok lang pumapalya na makina) and CATs.

FORD Dealers endorses the product, but they will void the warranty if any damage will arise from the use of the said product. Ayos din..hahaha

Originally posted by blugsr98
the rational on being a customer is that we don't benefit on how much sales the dealer will get.

we just share our findings 'coz nobody have the courage to test the product.

talking about credibility, i guess the actual demo that odee is giving you guys as an option would answer this.

let's just agree with the date and place. i assure you raijuta and myself will be there. though i'm not sure if jplazo could also join us. honestly, i don't really know him, i just communicate with him thru the other forum. what i can do is to invite hin also.
so, is that enough for you guys to stop claiming that we are fake? huh?

talking about credibility, i guess the actual demo that odee is giving you guys as an option would answer this.

Hmm..hindi ba parang advertising na ang ginagawa niyo yan..? This thread started as a inquiry about the product..tapos pumasok na si Odee giving out free-demos and giving testimonials of his good product. Tsikot do accept sponsorships, please contact the admins.

What do you think sir Admins and Mods? Pwede na i-close to or move ang thread.

Mr. Odee..antagal naman ng e-mail mo sakin..kainip..inaayos mo pa ba yang mga papeles mo?

Hmm..kelan kaya magpopost sina Yebo at Karding dito..!! Yoohooo you guys!

Thank you.

kiper.

**Tiny** · October 13th, 2004 03:47 AM

Originally posted by blugsr98
Tiny, would you dare to see us in person as well as our cars with the khaos device on it? just let us know for you to stop judging our existence. hehehe... ;)

Please read my post carefully, I am criticizing the way you post not your existence. No offense but the arguments presented for the device are not even logical.

**jplazo** · October 13th, 2004 05:01 AM

Howdy do,

let's just agree with the date and place. i assure you raijuta and myself will be there. though i'm not sure if jplazo could also join us. honestly, i don't really know him, i just communicate with him thru the other forum. what i can do is to invite hin also.

Faked accounts you say? C'est impossible! It's only recently that I've 'met' blu_gsr at Entreprenur forum *after I dropped a query about the device.

I did purchase two units as Odee mentioned and I'm very satisfied with the gadget. I'm an architect and have very little mechanical engineering background so I can't comment on the technical feasibility of the Khaoz. But what I can say is this:

1) I felt a definite improvement in the power of the car.
2) I noticed that the mileage jumped appreciably. To test this, I kept the other variables constant, such as driving style , fuel, etc.

I have some racing enthusiast friends at MotorSports Wonderland near Libis. They're very knowledgable about after market parts so I intend to solicit their opinion on this device.

Warmly,
Joey

**niky** · October 13th, 2004 10:31 AM

According to the news, DENR Secretary Mike Defensor is going to present the device in question before Congress. But it is being presented for adoption for use in government vehicles. In an article in the Inquirer Motoring Section (Wednesday, October 13, 2004), the device was presented as saving up to 50% of fuel, and reducing CO emissions to 0.5%. NO MENTION WHATSOEVER of NOx levels and regulations.

It's the Ford Makati Dealership, not Ford Philippines, that is endorsing this.

Interesting side-note: Audi's new A3 is powered by a Direct-Injection lean burn engine that saves up to 20% of gas. However, its lean-burn properties do NOT meet US regulations, but DO meet EURO regulations.

What would be interesting to note here is that if the Clean-Air-Act is ever amended here, the KSTC will NOT meet NOx regulations in SOME applications... but I'm surprised that NO TESTING whatsoever has been done to clarify this point. They're still spouting the same line about CO emissions, and that's it.

**Jayo** · October 13th, 2004 04:02 PM

Originally posted by niky
Interesting side-note: Audi's new A3 is powered by a Direct-Injection lean burn engine that saves up to 20% of gas. However, its lean-burn properties do NOT meet US regulations, but DO meet EURO regulations.

For those who want to know.... not all engines are capable, their designed for lean burn. Just like what niky said "Audi's new A3..."

Lean Burn Engine

What it is:
A lean burn engine is designed to operate with a very lean air-fuel ratio during light load conditions. Most modern gasoline engines are controlled to run at a chemically correct (stoichiometric) air fuel ratio (about 14.7:1) to make the three-way catalyst operate at high efficiency, reducing tail-pipe emissions. Lean burn engines mix more air with the fuel when full power is not needed, resulting in better fuel economy. Air/fuel ratio in lean burn engines can be as high as 22:1. When full power is needed, such as during acceleration or hill climbing, a lean burn engine reverts to a stoichiometric (14.7:1) ratio or richer.

How it works:
A very lean mixture of air and gasoline will not ignite as easily as a stoichiometric mixture when a spark is introduced. Several methods can be employed to achieve lean burn, including high temperature, high turbulence and stratification (high concentration of fuel vapor near the spark plug). Lean burn engines are often designed with high intake swirl to increase turbulence. Direct injection is one way to provide stratification. Since more air is taken in, the throttle plate can be opened wider for a given power, and losses associated with pumping are reduced. Lean operation also results in higher combustion efficiency and lower heat losses for better fuel economy. Note: Current three-way catalysts are designed to optimise NOx reduction at close to stoichiometric ratio. Lean burn engines generally cannot meet strict NOx emissions standards using three-way catalyst; additional NOx controls are necessary.

Customer benefit:
Better fuel efficiency without sacrificing engine power.

**squala** · October 14th, 2004 01:22 AM

As I said before, how can they claim a 15:1 air-fuel mixture if they have no test figures for NOx emissions? These two factors are related, right?

**mazdamazda** · October 14th, 2004 09:31 AM

Originally posted by squala
As I said before, how can they claim a 15:1 air-fuel mixture if they have no test figures for NOx emissions? These two factors are related, right?

yup!

apparently, they forgot to "research" on this one.

a 30-minute web surf is all it takes to halt a 30-years-in-the-making device.

**ghosthunter** · October 14th, 2004 09:33 AM

Originally posted by squala
As I said before, how can they claim a 15:1 air-fuel mixture if they have no test figures for NOx emissions? These two factors are related, right?

maybe its because they have no test equiptment? air flow meters, fuel pressure meters/sensors, etc.