Gas saving device

**odeereambillo** · October 8th, 2004 06:51 PM

Mga Sir, Ma'am:

odee reambillo lang po-dealer ng Khaos. i come in peace.

konting background lang po how i got into this business... i was looking for a fuel saving device because my galant gti 92 was consuming 5-6 km/li (city). One of my friends saw one at banawe and the vehicle owner even testified na effective nga daw. til he got one for his car. when i went to have one installed on the galant, i learned na open for dealership pa daw. tested the product, effective, so i applied for dealership.

Eventually, I met Mr Planas and had a chat with him. he mentioned he's an automotive graduate and a mechanic by profession and that the product has been invented by him 30 years ago pa and nagbebenta siya ng paisa-isa depende sa o-order sa kanya. til he met someone who financed for the mass production of the product which started late last year. He mentioned that for the past thirty years na mina-market niya ang product niya, he said na kung may mali man sa product and ma-prove na meron ngang mali, he will gladly put the production of the device to a complete halt. He also mentioned that he believes that this business that he is into right now is a GIFT. That is why he sincerely mean na if something is wrong with the device or kung nakakadagdag man siya sa pollution, ititigil niya.

And I believe in the sincerity of the humble man. that is why i adopted his same principle which prompted me to carry a money-back guarantee policy. (eventually became the policy of Inventionhaus narin)

I am very thankful for the concern of many, that it might be emiting NOx (or some poisonous substance) that testing facilities dont indicate. that is why (also) i mentioned to bluegsr na ipapa-test namin oto niya and raijuta's para ma-check talaga (at my expense)

sir ghost,

With regard to the vacuum reading, I humbly request if i may demo to you (at your convenient place and time) how and where we get the vacuum reading before and after installation (mejo hirap i describe sa text, and para ma-appreciate nyo narin po ung product) no commitments po, just like what i offered to Mr Blugsr and Mr Raijuta.

Honestly, I myself is amazed on how this device works (even on EFI's), mayroon naman po akong konting background sa reciprocating both carb and EFI engines (BS Aero Sci lang po ang course ko)

Sana po paunlakan nyo mga request ko.

thanks & more POWER!

Odee
S&PT

**Bogeyman** · October 8th, 2004 07:56 PM

ghosthunter:

I think this is your chance to once and for all prove if this product works or not. Maybe you can bring along some of the admin na rin, to represent the rest of us. Whether this product passes or fails scrutiny, the test might be lent a measure of credibility if done under the observation of tsikot.com.

My 2 cents.

**mazdamazda** · October 8th, 2004 08:04 PM

here's a list of devices that have been tested by the EPA. it sure is a long list.

EPA Evaluation Efforts
The EPA evaluates or tests products to determine whether their use will result in any significant improvement or detriment to fuel economy. However, the EPA cannot say what effect gas-saving products will have on a vehicle over time because it hasn't conducted any durability tests. It's possible that some products may harm the car or may otherwise adversely affect its performance. In fact, today's vehicles' emission control systems are very sophisticated and complex. They have On Board Diagnostic features that alert the driver to problems associated with the emission control and fuel delivery systems. Retrofit products may have an adverse effect on these systems.

Devices Tested by EPA
The following list categorizes various types of "gas-saving" products, explains how they're used and gives product names. Those with asterisks may save measurable, but small, amounts of gas. All others have been found not to increase fuel economy.

Air Bleed Devices. These devices bleed air into the carburetor. They usually are installed in the Positive Crankcase Ventilation line or as a replacement for idle-mixture screws.

The EPA has evaluated the following products: ADAKS Vacuum Breaker Air Bleed; Air-Jet Air Bleed; Aquablast Wyman Valve Air Bleed; Auto-Miser; Ball-Matic Air Bleed; Berg Air Bleed; Brisko PCV; Cyclone-Z; Econo Needle Air Bleed; Econo-Jet Air Bleed Idle Screws; Fuel Max*; Gas Saving Device; Grancor Air Computer; Hot Tip; Landrum Mini-Carb; Landrum Retrofit Air Bleed; Mini Turbocharger Air Bleed; Monocar HC Control Air Bleed; Peterman Air Bleed; Pollution Master Air Bleed; Ram-Jet; Turbo-Dyne G.R. Valve.

Vapor Bleed Devices. These devices are similar to the air bleed devices, except that induced air is bubbled through a container of a water and anti-freeze mixture, usually located in the engine compartment.

The EPA has evaluated: Atomized Vapor Injector; Frantz Vapor Injection System; Hydro-Vac: POWERFUeL; Mark II Vapor Injection System; Platinum Gasaver; V-70 Vapor Injector; SCATPAC Vacuum Vapor Induction System: Econo-Mist Vacuum Vapor Injection System; Turbo Vapor Injection System.

Liquid Injection. These products add liquid into the fuel/air intake system and not directly into the combustion chamber.
The EPA has evaluated: Goodman Engine System-Model 1800; Waag-Injection System*.

Ignition Devices. These devices are attached to the ignition system or are used to replace original equipment or parts.
The EPA has evaluated: Autosaver; Baur Condenser; BIAP Electronic Ignition Unit; Fuel Economizer; Magna Flash Ignition Control System; Paser Magnum/Paser 500/Paser 500 HEI; Special Formula Ignition Advance Springs.

Fuel Line Devices (heaters or coolers). These devices heat the fuel before it enters the carburetor. Usually, the fuel is heated by the engine coolant or by the exhaust or electrical system.
The EPA has evaluated: FuelXpander; Gas Meiser I; Greer Fuel Preheater; Jacona Fuel System; Optimizer; Russell Fuelmiser.

Fuel Line Devices (magnets). These magnetic devices, clamped to the outside of the fuel line or installed in the fuel line, claim to change the molecular structure of gasoline.

The EPA has evaluated: PETRO-MIZER; POLARION-X; Super-Mag Fuel Extender; Wickliff Polarizer [fuel line magnet/intake air magnet].

Fuel Line Devices (metallic). Typically, these devices contain several dissimilar metals that are installed in the fuel line, supposedly causing ionization of the fuel.

The EPA has evaluated: Malpassi Filter King [fuel pressure regulator]; Moleculetor.

Mixture Enhancers (under the carburetor). These devices are mounted between the carburetor and intake manifold and supposedly enhance the mixing or vaporization of the air/fuel mixture.

The EPA has evaluated: Energy Gas Saver; Environmental Fuel Saver; Gas Saving and Emission Control Improvement Device; Glynn-50; Hydro-Catalyst Pre-Combustion Catalyst System; PETROMIZER SYSTEM; Sav-A-Mile; Spritzer; Turbo-Carb; Turbocarb.

Mixture Enhancers (others). These devices make some general modifications to the vehicle intake system.

The EPA has evaluated: Basko Enginecoat; Dresser Economizer; Electro-Dyne Superchoke; Filtron Urethane Foam Filter; Lamkin Fuel Metering Device; Smith Power and Deceleration Governor.

Internal Engine Modifications. These devices make physical or mechanical function changes to the engine.

The EPA has evaluated: ACDS Automotive Cylinder Deactivation System*; Dresser Economizer; MSU Cylinder Deactivation*.

Accessory Drive Modifiers. These devices reduce power to specific auto accessories.

The EPA has evaluated: Morse Constant Speed Accessory Drive **; P.A.S.S. Kit**; PASS Master Vehicle Air Conditioner**.

Fuels and Fuel Additives. These materials are added to the gas tank.

The EPA has evaluated: Bycosin; EI-5 Fuel Additive; Fuelon Power; Johnson Fuel Additive; NRG #1 Fuel Additive; QEI 400 Fuel Additive; Rolfite Upgrade Fuel Additive; Sta-Power Fuel Additive; Stargas Fuel Additive; SYNeRGy-1; Technol G Fuel Additive; ULX-15/ULX-15D; Vareb 10 Fuel Additive; XRG #1 Fuel Additive.

Oils and Oil Additives. Usually these materials are poured into the crankcase.

The EPA has evaluated: Analube Synthetic Lubricant; Tephguard.

Driving Habit Modifiers. These are lights or sound devices to tell the driver to reduce acceleration or to shift gears.

The EPA has evaluated: AUTOTHERM**; Fuel Conservation Device; Gastell; IDALERT**.

Miscellaneous. The EPA has evaluated: BRAKE-EZ; Dynamix; Fuel Maximiser; Gyroscopic Wheel Cover; Kamei Spoilers**; Kat's Engine Heater; Lee Exhaust and Fuel Gasification EGR; Mesco Moisture Extraction System; P.S.C.U. 01 Device; Treis Emulsifier.

* Indicated a very small improvement in fuel economy but with an increase in exhaust emissions. According to Federal regulations, installation of this device could be considered illegal tampering.

** Indicated a very small improvement in fuel economy without an increase in exhaust emissions. However, cost-effectiveness must be determined by the consumer for a particular application.

**niky** · October 9th, 2004 12:17 AM

Interesting how there have been aftermarket cylinder cut-off systems... too bad these things don't meet emissions, but that would be obvious, since engine electronics and fuel systems aren't built to compensate.

mazdamazda, you really should submit that research to the DOTC... we should put an end to this nonsense, once and for all.

**ghosthunter** · October 9th, 2004 01:07 AM

Originally posted by odeereambillo
... mayroon naman po akong konting background sa reciprocating both carb and EFI engines (BS Aero Sci lang po ang course ko)

Just letting you know, I kinda have a background in engines too (BS Mechanical Engineering lang naman). And some years worth of tinkering around with my cars.

**ghosthunter** · October 9th, 2004 01:22 AM

Originally posted by odeereambillo

sir ghost,

With regard to the vacuum reading, I humbly request if i may demo to you (at your convenient place and time) how and where we get the vacuum reading before and after installation (mejo hirap i describe sa text, and para ma-appreciate nyo narin po ung product) no commitments po, just like what i offered to Mr Blugsr and Mr Raijuta.

Well, you can simply draw your diagram over the picture:

what kind of tubing was used, where along the intake tube or manifold, etc was is inserted to take the pressure readings, testing before and after, what equiptment were used, were they cabibrated BEFORE to check accuracy, etc.

Hey, we are both engineers by training, we should at least be able to keep record of all observations, right?

If you are able validate your data and figures on paper, I think typing it out here wouldn't be so hard.

Think if it as your thesis back in college. Defend your paper.

**odeereambillo** · October 9th, 2004 01:29 AM

Sir Ghosthunter,

I humbly submit to the knowledge, intellect and experience you have as regards engines and all. that is mainly the reason why I prefer you to test the product of Mr Planas.

Your most convenient time and place if you please.

thanks & more POWER!

Odee
S&PT

**ghosthunter** · October 9th, 2004 01:32 AM

Originally posted by odeereambillo

sir ghost,

With regard to the vacuum reading, I humbly request if i may demo to you (at your convenient place and time) how and where we get the vacuum reading before and after installation (mejo hirap i describe sa text, and para ma-appreciate nyo narin po ung product) no commitments po, just like what i offered to Mr Blugsr and Mr Raijuta.

btw, I personally don't care if you even get positive pressure readings from your pressure guage simply because it is just diverting attention from the main issue at hand.

**ghosthunter** · October 9th, 2004 01:42 AM

Originally posted by odeereambillo
Mga Sir, Ma'am:

odee reambillo lang po-dealer ng Khaos. i come in peace.

konting background lang po how i got into this business... i was looking for a fuel saving device because my galant gti 92 was consuming 5-6 km/li (city). One of my friends saw one at banawe and the vehicle owner even testified na effective nga daw. til he got one for his car. when i went to have one installed on the galant, i learned na open for dealership pa daw. tested the product, effective, so i applied for dealership.

Product testimonials doesn't prove that something works or anything. It is just marketing hype and marketing strategy.

I have been posting technical info that disproves the effectiveness of said product in its claims. maybe you can also post relavant info and technical data that supports YOUR claims?