Mitsubishi Pajero Fieldmaster (Gen 2.5) [continued]

**ar24458** · October 24th, 2010 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by ar24458

FM Peeps,

Need your expert recommendations. I got a problem with my FM. Medyo mausok pag arangkada. Tumaas FC ko. And pansin ko low power. I had it check sa BETAN CALIBRATION just early this morning. Eto findings:

1. Mausok kapag inapakan gas pedal
2. Tinanggal nila turbo/intercooler hose, inapakan ulet gas pedal, malaki nabawas sa black smoke. Almost nawala except kapag flooring na pedal talaga.
3. May oil na yung paligid mg turbo hose to intercooler.

Job repairs needed as per mechanic:

1. Checking of nozzle tips (replace/recondition as needed)
10.7K - Labor and replace with new nozzle tips ; or
5.8K - if Labor and calibration of nozzle tips only

2. Turbocharger assy reconditioning - 20K estimate (depende daw sa sira. pwede pa magbago price); or
- 35K for new

All with 6months warranty on parts and labor.....

I think the checking of nozzle tips is fair enough since matagal na din naman yung FM. But yung turbo, I am not sure kung may mas mura pa dito na makukuhanan ng parts or shop for repair.

Your comments will be greatly appreciated.....Kung sino man may experience na on repairing turbos ng FM naten at nozzle tips..

thanks

Just had a 2nd opinion at Central Diesel. Iba naman ang diagnosis:

1. They removed the air filter then tried to floor the pedal. Medyo mausok but not as bad as before. They are now asking me to replace first air filter with OEM (Do I really need to buy OEM?)

2. If not resolved by this, they will calibrate nozzle
3. Turbo is not a problem daw in my case. Kasi hoses are expanding on revolutions. Meaning daw may malakas na hangin from the turbo.
4. Oil at turbo hoses is normal daw. Ang masama daw is yung "sumusuka na ng oil"
5. Prices are really much cheaper compared to BETAN
- 7K for calibration/replacement of nozzle
- 13K for repair of turbo

My observation:

BETAN wants me to go repair turbo immediately and go Nozzle calibration. Compared to Central Diesel isolating turbo is ok, oil around hoses is normal, then change filter and clean exhaust pipe first. I'll do this early tom.

My question is, need ba talaga na ORIGINAL air filter? or replacements will do? And how long dapat bago palitan ang air filter? Kung madalas, it seems ok na yung replacement para affordable din.

Your comments will be greatly appreciated again.

Thanks

Originally Posted by andrewbugs

why not try nozzle calibration first only. I tried Betan (Makati) 2-3 years ago nozzle calibration (lang) kasi mausok. Also replace airfilter with new one (original) because i think one of the reasons na mausok, tapos if tanggalin ang hose biglang mawala ang usok is the lack of sufficient air-supply sa makina. Likewise, try cleaning your tail pipe with soap and water. Baka yong smoke (when you floor the pedal and removed the hose) were just the old old carbon deposits sa tail pipe. Always did this before smoke-test, my last reading reading was .19 for a 1999 model FM

suggestion lang at least this will not cost a fortune.

For me I think small oil around the turbo and intercooler hoses is normal, baka ok pa ang turbo mo. maybe you just need to replace hose clamp or hose.

thanks paps....will try this....

**Reepicheep** · October 24th, 2010 01:37 AM

Why don't you go sir with K&N? It's better than the OEM filter and lasts longer.

**blue_gambit** · October 24th, 2010 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by ar24458

Just had a 2nd opinion at Central Diesel. Iba naman ang diagnosis:

1. They removed the air filter then tried to floor the pedal. Medyo mausok but not as bad as before. They are now asking me to replace first air filter with OEM (Do I really need to buy OEM?)

2. If not resolved by this, they will calibrate nozzle
3. Turbo is not a problem daw in my case. Kasi hoses are expanding on revolutions. Meaning daw may malakas na hangin from the turbo.
4. Oil at turbo hoses is normal daw. Ang masama daw is yung "sumusuka na ng oil"
5. Prices are really much cheaper compared to BETAN
- 7K for calibration/replacement of nozzle
- 13K for repair of turbo

My observation:

BETAN wants me to go repair turbo immediately and go Nozzle calibration. Compared to Central Diesel isolating turbo is ok, oil around hoses is normal, then change filter and clean exhaust pipe first. I'll do this early tom.

My question is, need ba talaga na ORIGINAL air filter? or replacements will do? And how long dapat bago palitan ang air filter? Kung madalas, it seems ok na yung replacement para affordable din.

Your comments will be greatly appreciated again.

Thanks

thanks paps....will try this....

Sir how long will it take sa calibration? kaya ba within 1 day? included na sa 7K yung nozzle replacement?

**ar24458** · October 24th, 2010 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by blue_gambit

Sir how long will it take sa calibration? kaya ba within 1 day? included na sa 7K yung nozzle replacement?

I wasnt able to ask the duration. BUt most shops na napagtanungan ko, 3-4 hours lang daw naman ito as long as naka-schedule. included sa 7K ang nozzle replacement, zexel brand....

Originally Posted by Reepicheep

Why don't you go sir with K&N? It's better than the OEM filter and lasts longer.

How long ba need to change the filter? kung madalas kasi like every 3 months, I am thinking of replacement lang sana. Aside from K&N, need ba talaga na OEM pa? or replacement filter will do the job din?

**Reepicheep** · October 24th, 2010 11:38 AM

I think air filters should be replaced every 20K. I'm not sure about the difference between OEM and replacement filters because we've been using K&N for years now.

**ar24458** · October 24th, 2010 05:03 PM

Update:
Replaced air filter then cleaned-up exhaust carbons....

Results:

No more black smoke on high revs...Power is back. Turbo is kicking-in as well.

I also cleaned-up the intercooler & hoses....

Now under monitoring.....

Originally Posted by ar24458

Just had a 2nd opinion at Central Diesel. Iba naman ang diagnosis:

1. They removed the air filter then tried to floor the pedal. Medyo mausok but not as bad as before. They are now asking me to replace first air filter with OEM (Do I really need to buy OEM?)

2. If not resolved by this, they will calibrate nozzle
3. Turbo is not a problem daw in my case. Kasi hoses are expanding on revolutions. Meaning daw may malakas na hangin from the turbo.
4. Oil at turbo hoses is normal daw. Ang masama daw is yung "sumusuka na ng oil"
5. Prices are really much cheaper compared to BETAN
- 7K for calibration/replacement of nozzle
- 13K for repair of turbo

My observation:

BETAN wants me to go repair turbo immediately and go Nozzle calibration. Compared to Central Diesel isolating turbo is ok, oil around hoses is normal, then change filter and clean exhaust pipe first. I'll do this early tom.

My question is, need ba talaga na ORIGINAL air filter? or replacements will do? And how long dapat bago palitan ang air filter? Kung madalas, it seems ok na yung replacement para affordable din.

Your comments will be greatly appreciated again.

Thanks

thanks paps....will try this....

**paj4x4** · October 25th, 2010 08:30 AM

ar24458,

Good you went in for a second opinion. The turbo of the 4m40 rarely conks out. And if it does usually sa high mileage rigs. I use K&N air filters for all my rigs. It's value for money in the long run. All I do is re-charge it everytime I change oil. I feel the engine breathes more freely as well with the K&N.

**paj4x4** · October 25th, 2010 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Reepicheep

Sakin mausok (white smoke) even when idling pag bagong start. This is in normal temp weather. Should I do something? Pag mainit na makina, nawawala na yung usok.

Could just be the glow plugs. Medyo matagal ba redondo ng engine when you start it in the morning?

**paj4x4** · October 25th, 2010 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Monty

Gone, nakabili ako niyan sa casa dati. Mga nasa P800 ata kung di ako nagkakamali. Subukan mo rin sa Motorix o Carline. Pareho sila sa Banawe.

They are right. Meron sa casa or El Dorado. I've changed the one on my Gen 2.5 recently. Kaso natatamaan ng driver ng chamois yung corner when he cleans the car...ayon slightly naka angat ulit yung plate. Kainis.

**ar24458** · October 25th, 2010 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by paj4x4

ar24458,

Good you went in for a second opinion. The turbo of the 4m40 rarely conks out. And if it does usually sa high mileage rigs. I use K&N air filters for all my rigs. It's value for money in the long run. All I do is re-charge it everytime I change oil. I feel the engine breathes more freely as well with the K&N.

thanks bro...sabe nga din sken sa central diesel for them wala prob ang turbo..kya iingatan ko na din..maglalagay nako turbo timer..hehe..puro tantyahan lage eh...mabuti na yung sigurado....

I tried using replacement filter muna just for isolation...pero after nito, mag K&N filter na din ako....

Any pics ng mga naka K&N filter? Just want to see how the tube looks like sa space allocated sa engine bay...

thanks