Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[ClaNker]

Ikaw na ang invertor ng sasakyan. Lol

Checkmate.

Moving on, thank you very much.

[car_fan]

Checkmate.



Moving on, thank you very much.

That's how bigots think. Lol

[timo07]

Acceleration overpowering the brake could mean that the SUV could have traveled as fast as 100 km/h sa speedometer OR 1 km/h. As long as tumakbo yung SUV, kahit gaano kabagal ang ibig pong sabihin nung overpowering the brakes........ hindi naman kelangan tumakbo ng 100 km/h para sabihing overpowering the brakes

I have already met a veteran member of this forum who in turn, personally knew the admins here sa Tsikot. I met him personally sa Trinoma because he had prior experience sa isang business that i was interested in opening up....

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Acceleration overpowering the brake could mean that the SUV could have traveled as fast as 100 km/h sa speedometer OR 1 km/h. As long as tumakbo yung SUV, kahit gaano kabagal ang ibig pong sabihin nung overpowering the brakes........ hindi naman kelangan tumakbo ng 100 km/h para sabihing overpowering the brakes

I have already met a veteran member of this forum who in turn, personally knew the admins here sa Tsikot. I met him personally sa Trinoma because he had prior experience sa isang business that i was interested in opening up....

I understand what "overpowering the brakes" mean. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discredit your story. You should reread my post to understand my emphasis on this as a "complicated issue."

[jon777]

I understand what "overpowering the brakes" mean. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discredit your story. You should reread my post to understand my emphasis on this as a "complicated issue."

I'm not really sure what you meant by "complicated issue". Umandar habang naka brake yung Montero, nabunggo yung pedestrian (baka naman tinamaan lang ng konti yung pedestrian). yun lang po hehehe.....

Lets move on na hehehe.....

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I understand what "overpowering the brakes" mean. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discredit your story. You should reread my post to understand my emphasis on this as a "complicated issue."

I'm not really sure what you meant by "complicated issue". Umandar habang naka brake yung Montero, nabunggo yung pedestrian (baka naman tinamaan lang ng konti yung pedestrian). yun lang po hehehe.....

Lets move on na hehehe.....

[timo07]

Complicated for the whole SUA issue, not your story alone. Yeah, let's move on...[emoji6]

[car_fan]

bro, di naman siguro bigotry yan. it's not intolerance of one's belief or opinion.

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bro, nabasa mo naman siguro kung pano mag react yun mga experts. Lol. Pinako sa cruz yun natutong gumamit ng kaliwang paa for braking. It's the lack of ones perspective kaya di matanggap na pwede naman palang gamitin ang kaliwang paa kung yun ang kinagisnan ng tao.

I use my right foot to brake and i wouldnt even try using my left foot to do that. The current pedal set up may have been designed for right foot braking, but if someone is comfortable with left foot braking and has done that ever since tehn i think it will be second nature for that person to use the left foot. It's that simple. No one is saying that it should be that way. Lol

[minicarph]

May galit ba ang abscbn sa Mitsubishi? Araw araw na lang kasi nasa news ang montero sua

Maybe some car brand is furious and throwing tantrums for not being given enough time to introduce their product into the market. Like for example, Mux, Mux at least enjoyed a year of no new competition

[kevinworld]

Maybe some car brand is furious and throwing tantrums for not being given enough time to introduce their product into the market. Like for example, Mux, Mux at least enjoyed a year of no new competition

Mux 4x4 at 2.5 naka 50,000 discount na

[17Sphynx17]

Question, is it possible for rust to form on the fuel on injectors due to poor/questionable fuel quality thus leaving it in an "on" position delivering fuel to the engine?

It was just a random thought I had as the Montero tends to encounter CEL issues due to rust formation in the fuel system? Our had rust formation on the fuel neck, others I personally know had rusting inside the tank. Is it possible for rust to form after the fuel filter?

I am just asking as this issue is of course a valid concern. I lean more towards driver error more than anything else, but that 1% chance that it could be happening is of course still a concern.

To add as well, the pedal positioning of the Montero (brake pedal and accelarator) is on the close side but not too close that would make it indistinguishable though. Some fringe cases are likely to be incorrect pedal application because they are personally not used to such clearances if you ask me. If you compare pedal position of the Fortuner vs Montero, the Fortuner is more distinct while the gap between the brake and accelator of the Montero is about 2" only where my foot can only slide almost halfway while still being on the accelerator pedal and it is already hitting the side of the brake pedal.

[petixs]

We have to assume that they are looking after the public's interest as the reason for not letting up on this issue. It's a safety concern after all.

hmmm... The way Noli of ABS CBN does his commentary, pilit nyang di-demonize ang mitsubishi, pilit nyang kinakabit na ito daw ang dahilan bakit pinili ni PNOY pumunta sa plant opening kesa sunduin ang SAF44 sa Villamor. Tsk..tsk.... How thick can you get? I doubt Mitsubishi twisted PNOYs hand in not going to Villamor airbase... In all the interviews, me kasalanan ang sasakyan, I mean just tonight there was a video of a Monty going back and forth hitting vehicles, but ganon talaga yun, you put it in reverse and floor it, it goes backward hard, hinde naman aabante yun pag hinde dinala sa Drive, so the driver obviously put it in D mode and floored it. I shifter didnt put itself in drive or reverse by itself. Yoko lang magsalita pero me frst hand experience kami sa "Kabayad" moves nyan.

Now that politics and Media hype is in the mix, well its going to be a full blown circus....

After all thats said and done, after the DTI, congress, media, at the end of the day, Mitsubishi is going to hold its ground by saying driver error... why? They are the experts, no way DTI is going to say were technically better than you in automotive investigation, so with the politicians and the media... It's gooing to stick. Just look how adamantly Binay denies he owns a hacienda, I mean all the signals and signs are there but since there is no single evidence that links him.... nothing happened. And since no smoking gun points to mitsubishi.... No one will claim they know more than the experts.

Oh BTW I still believe it driver error. :-)

[Ry_Tower]

Have a colleague who drives an AT Montero. Surprisingly, she is not aware of this issue. Because of her dedication to her work, she probably does not have time to watch the news[emoji15]. She said that she cannot change from P to D unless she is depressing the brake. Similar to my Toyota, this appears to be a safety feature that should prevent the theory of human mistake in some of these SUA cases. There's probably some truth to some of the cases. Also, during her last PM, she had a sticker/reminder from the Casa to "always depress the brake when changing from P to D" or something like that. I will confirm exactly what was written in the sticker.

Early montero nga kasi wala yang safety feature na yan.2012 na nga nalagay as per monseratto. Ask mo officemate mo kung ano year model just to confirm.

Tingin ko ito talaga problem eh.

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[jaggerx3]

Napansin ko sa CCTV footage ng ABS CBN kanina parang di naman nag brake yung driver. Parang di umilaw brake light.
Pero kataka taka bakit sa Pinas lang merong ganyan na case

[minicarph]

Napansin ko sa CCTV footage ng ABS CBN kanina parang di naman nag brake yung driver. Parang di umilaw brake light.
Pero kataka taka bakit sa Pinas lang merong ganyan na case

Hindi naman iilaw ang brake light, pag nag accelerate

[timo07]

Yoko lang magsalita pero me frst hand experience kami sa "Kabayad" moves nyan.

Heard of such rumors. Careful bro, mahirap yang issue na yan.

Alvin and Doris and Ted and the others are not letting up on the issue. Does that mean, they are also involved in such "shenanigans."

OT lang, but I'm happy their not letting up on the tanim bala issue which Pinoy is branding as being sensationalized. Wala na cgurong "sensation" ang presidente natin.

BTT. Sorry po...

[timo07]

Early montero nga kasi wala yang safety feature na yan.2012 na nga nalagay as per monseratto. Ask mo officemate mo kung ano year model just to confirm.

Tingin ko ito talaga problem eh.

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Oh Okay... My colleague got her Monty late last year..

[Ry_Tower]

Napansin ko sa CCTV footage ng ABS CBN kanina parang di naman nag brake yung driver. Parang di umilaw brake light.
Pero kataka taka bakit sa Pinas lang merong ganyan na case

Hehehe. Hindi ka naintindihan ni OB kay ganyan sagot niya sa post mo. LOL

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[Juan Martinez]

grabe din naman yung sa nangyari sa toyota last year in the states. they were made to pay a whooping1.2B USD for sudden accelaration related accidents. In other words, this isn't driver error alone--

Toyota to Pay $1.2B for Hiding Deadly ‘Unintended Acceleration’
By BRIAN ROSS JOSEPH RHEEANGELA M. HILLMEGAN CHUCHMACH AARON KATERSKY
March 19, 2014

Car manufacturer Toyota has agreed to pay a staggering $1.2 billion to avoid prosecution for covering up severe safety problems with “unintended acceleration,” according to court documents, and continuing to make cars with parts the FBI said Toyota “knew were deadly.”

A deferred prosecution agreement, filed today, forced Toyota to “admit” that it “misled U.S. consumers by concealing and making deceptive statements about two safety related issues affecting its vehicles, each of which caused a type of unintended acceleration.”


Toyota “put sales over safety and profit over principle,” according to FBI Assistant Director George Venizelos.

“The disregard Toyota had for the safety of the public is outrageous,” Venizelos said. “Not only did Toyota fail to recall cars with problem parts, they continued to manufacture new cars with the same parts they already knew were deadly. When media reports arose of Toyota hiding defects, they emphatically denied what they knew was true, assuring consumers that their cars were safe and reliable… More than speeding cars or a major fine, the ultimate tragedy has been the unwitting consumers who died behind the wheel of Toyota vehicles.”

ABC News first reported the potential dangers of unintended acceleration in an investigation broadcast in November 2009. The report said hundreds of Toyota customers were in “rebellion” after a series of accidents were apparently caused by the unintended acceleration. Two months before, Highway Patrolman Mark Saylor and three members of his family had been killed after the accelerator in his Lexus had become stuck on an incompatible floor mat. Saylor was able to call 911 while his car was speeding over 100 miles per hour and explain his harrowing ordeal right up until the crash that ended his life.

EXCLUSIVE INVESTIGATION: Runaway Toyotas

At the time of the first ABC News report, Toyota attempted to assure its drivers that the incidents of sudden acceleration without warning were solely caused by floor mats becoming stuck on the gas pedals or driver error. But already other customers were complaining of similar problems with sudden acceleration, but some had nothing to do with the floor mats and they maintained they weren’t to blame either.

ABC News published dozens of reports in the following months as Toyota said it investigated and announced massive recalls to address the accelerators being stuck under floor mats – repeatedly assuring drivers that the problem had been taken care of. But today Toyota admitted that the recalls did not cover all the cars they knew were in danger and said that they also concealed another cause of sudden acceleration they had found during their investigations – “sticky” pedals, which refers to the accelerator getting stuck partially depressed.

In December 2009, the court records showed the company responded to “media accusations that it was continuing to hide defects in its vehicles” by publishing a statement on Toyota’s website saying the company “has absolutely not minimized public awareness of any defect or issue with respect to its vehicles [and] [a]ny suggestion to the contrary is wrong and borders on irresponsibility.”

Toyota only announced the issue with the “sticky” pedals, along with another massive recall, just minutes before an ABC News report on “World News” in January 2010 told the story of one driver whose Toyota Avalon took off suddenly on the highway.

The driver, Kevin Haggerty, credited ABC News with saving his life because he had seen a previous report that described what to do in the event of sudden acceleration. By shifting back into neutral, and back into drive when necessary, Haggerty was able to prod his broken vehicle to the dealership, where he said employees there saw that his problem with unintended acceleration firsthand had nothing to do with his floor mat.

However, Haggerty maintained that his sudden acceleration problem was not caused by a sticky pedal either. Regardless, today court documents showed Toyota knew about the sticky pedal problem in other Toyota models months before the recall and decided not to disclose it to regulators or the public.

For other drivers, it was already too late. In addition to deaths like the Saylors linked to unintended acceleration, a Minnesota man was serving an eight-year prison sentence for vehicular manslaughter when evidence emerged suggesting he could have been a victim of Toyota’s acceleration problem. After serving two years in prison, Koua Fong Lee was released and charges against him were dropped in 2010.

Earlier that year, an unidentified Toyota employee appeared to realize the dangerous game the company was playing.

“Idiots! Someone will go to jail if lies are repeatedly told. I cannot support this,” the unidentified employee said after a meeting between Toyota and regulators in January 2010, according to court documents.

Instead of jail, the company is now on the hook for the massive $1.2 billion fine, which U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said was the largest penalty of its kind for an auto manufacturer. The money is due by March 25.

“Toyota confronted this public safety emergency as if it was a public relations problem,” Holder said.

A senior Justice official added that Toyota made "blatant misrepresentations" in what he called a classic case of corporate culture that favored the seemingly easy way out instead of paying the cost and doing the right thing.

"The cover up is always going to be worse than the original sin," the official said.

In a statement posted on its website, Toyota said that at the time of the recalls the company “took full responsibility for any concerns our actions may have caused customers, and we rededicated ourselves to earning their trust.”

“In the more than four years since these recalls, we have gone back to basics at Toyota to put our customers first,” said Christopher Reynolds, chief legal officer of Toyota Motor North America. “We have made fundamental changes across our global operations to become a more responsive company – listening better to our customers’ needs and proactively taking action to serve them.”

“Entering this agreement, while difficult, is a major step toward putting this unfortunate chapter behind us. We remain extremely grateful to our customers who have continued to stand by Toyota. Moving forward, they can be confident that we continue to take our responsibilities to them seriously,” Reynolds said.

BTT

if it could happen to toyota, it could happen to mitsubishi too.

[petixs]

my lips are sealed....

Nice point, if you didnt see the brake lights.... then he didnt brake/try to brake, which he was saying in the interviews....

BTW, is it me or I keep popping Cherifer commercials, medyo ...wala lang...

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my lips are sealed....

Nice point, if you didnt see the brake lights.... then he didnt brake/try to brake, which he was saying in the interviews....

BTW, is it me or I keep popping Cherifer commercials, medyo ...wala lang...

[Monseratto]

Toyota knew there was a problem with the sticky accelerator even before the news of SUA in the states came out. It first came out in Europe. And did not reveal/hid it. This is what they were penalized by the feds. Also they were sued by some owners when the resale value of toyota cars dropped....

[A121]

Just to add in this discussion, natandaan nyo yung namatay na ateneo grade schooler na nasagasaan? I think the driver mistook the accelerator pedal as the brake pedal. JDM Hiace na A/T yung sasakyan. Meron din incident na Mitsubishi Galant na A/T na nalaglag sa greenhills parking lot a few years back. I think the driver had a heart attack.