Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[Jfox]

Looping na ang thread na to. Ayun sa news, within 20 days may decision na?

[jut703]

This is a rather informative opinion piece from Autoindustriya:

http://www.autoindustriya.com/editor...e-machine.html

Of the 2.189 million automobile crashes in the United States, 94% are caused by driver error, 2% are caused by the environment (i.e. ice, fog, snow, etc.), 2% are inclonclusive, while 2% are vehicle-failure related. As the data states, 2.046 million out of the 2.189 million crashes in the U.S. are attributed driver error and were further subclassified as 41% recognition (lack of attention, distracted driving, etc.), 33% decision (overspeeding, illegal maneuvers, etc.), 11% performance error (poor directional control, etc.), 7% non-performance error (falling asleep, etc.), and 8% other causes.

Many may find Mitsubishi's conclusions difficult to accept, and that's a given; it's the automotive equivalent of asking a parent what they think is wrong with their child. People will always suspect the findings by any manufacturer unless it's an admission of guilt, and that's precisely the reason why there must be a fully competent and credible independent body of engineers that cannot be influenced by any other entity, media included.

While you can't say that data from the US market will be perfectly identical to what we have locally, I don't see any reasons why the trend will be drastically different. Fact of the matter is - almost all the time, it's driver error.

It's quite ironic that those people who bash Mitsubishi, saying that "of course they won't admit it's their fault", don't seem to recognize that the same mentality applies to the Montero drivers who experienced SUA - of course they won't admit it's their fault either. It's their word vs. Mitsubishi's, and Mitsubishi has done its part in sending its best engineers to rigorously test their vehicles, not just once but several times. Meanwhile, the SUA camp has presented nothing but anecdotal evidence which are prone to bias (either the driver's recollection is muddy considering the stressful event, or the driver deliberately muddles with the truth to be able to shift the blame to anyone else but himself).

[Djerms]

Not unless you are a die hard Montero fanatic, with the same amount of money for a second hand vehicle, I doubt if the Montero sales will be the same. Truth or not, the issue is all over media. Why risk of buying something with a dark cloud over it.

Kung bibili ng second hand vehicle, knowing the mentality of Pinoys (spending hard earned moolah), eh di dun ka na sa walang issue totoo man yan o hindi. WHY RISK? Its just a piece of metal anyway.

[CVT]

Not unless you are a die hard Montero fanatic, with the same amount of money for a second hand vehicle, I doubt if the Montero sales will be the same. Truth or not, the issue is all over media. Why risk of buying something with a dark cloud over it.

Kung bibili ng second hand vehicle, knowing the mentality of Pinoys (spending hard earned moolah), eh di dun ka na sa walang issue totoo man yan o hindi. WHY RISK? Its just a piece of metal anyway.

Yes bro,- it is just like a "piece of metal", like the Strada.

So, why do people fret on it? [Unless people here get the drift]


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[dct]

Not unless you are a die hard Montero fanatic, with the same amount of money for a second hand vehicle, I doubt if the Montero sales will be the same. Truth or not, the issue is all over media. Why risk of buying something with a dark cloud over it.

Kung bibili ng second hand vehicle, knowing the mentality of Pinoys (spending hard earned moolah), eh di dun ka na sa walang issue totoo man yan o hindi. WHY RISK? Its just a piece of metal anyway.

I agree. Kahit BS yang sua sa montero, it will really affect the resale value. Tinanim na ng abs cbn sa utak ng mga tao e. So why risk it nga

[XTO]

Baka nga pati insurance ng Montero tumaas

[niky]

Not unless you are a die hard Montero fanatic, with the same amount of money for a second hand vehicle, I doubt if the Montero sales will be the same. Truth or not, the issue is all over media. Why risk of buying something with a dark cloud over it.

Kung bibili ng second hand vehicle, knowing the mentality of Pinoys (spending hard earned moolah), eh di dun ka na sa walang issue totoo man yan o hindi. WHY RISK? Its just a piece of metal anyway.

If someone is willing to sell me a secondhand Montero Sport for only 50% of market value, I'm game.

Even if it is a "bedeviled" unit... as long as the insurance company paid for total repair at the dealership.

[dr. d]

If someone is willing to sell me a secondhand Montero Sport for only 50% of market value, I'm game.

Even if it is a "bedeviled" unit... as long as the insurance company paid for total repair at the dealership.

i kidded my relative if he wanted to sell his monty now..
and he said, "why, because some people don't know how to drive well?"

[ClaNker]

Just spoke to a friend who owns a 1 year old glx MT Monty. According to him eh everytime his Monty's A/C engages his rpm goes up resulting to the car lurching forward. Alisto na lang daw sya sa brake during stop and go traffic.

Yes SUA is a legitimate concern to him.

[hilldweller]

Just spoke to a friend who owns a 1 year old glx MT Monty. According to him eh everytime his Monty's A/C engages his rpm goes up resulting to the car lurching forward. Alisto na lang daw sya sa brake during stop and go traffic.

Yes SUA is a legitimate concern to him.

Even if the clutch pedal is fully depressed? From fully depressed position, slightly release the clutch pedal up to its catch point without pressing the gas pedal when aircon is on (higher rpm), the car will move slowly moreso, sa Montero which is torquey. Drive the MT car at cold start, the car will move forward without pressing the gas pedal faster than when the aircon is on at warmed up engine.

[weisshorn]

Kahit naman ako kung montero ang dina drive ganun din ang gagawin ko. Mahirap na mabulaga. Pero hanggat maari iwasan ko maging driver nyan.

[kkreuk18]

Un mga nakaMontero sa min na may ibang kotse pa, ayaw na nilang gamitin un monty. Though confident naman sila sa driving skills nila, nawala naman un confidence nila sa sasakyan. Malaki talaga ang epekto.

[kisshmet]

^baka napagod lang ang paa sa matagal na stop and go traffic at tsaka hindi nagamit ng hand brake kasi naka1st gear

when muscles get exhausted it tend to relax. foothold on the clutch and break pedals may ease up and that will result in the wheels slowly being connected to the engine with no brakes to stop the movement

[ClaNker]

^baka napagod lang ang paa sa stop and go traffic at tsaka hindi nagamit ng hand brake

when muscles get exhausted it tend to relax. foothold on the clutch and break pedals may ease up and that will result in a wheel slowly being connected to the engine with no brakes to stop the movement

Mt bike ang libangan nun.

[kisshmet]

^tao lang tayo napapagod din malakas man ang endurance o hindi

nakakangalay naman talaga ang matagal na stop and go trapik

the wheels wont move if it have no connection to the engine when gear is in N or clutch pedal firmly depressed while in first gear

[Monseratto]

http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/motor...and-finds-this

A guy compares the pedals of his Montero Sport and Fortuner, and finds this

by Vernon B. Sarne - 2 hours ago

The Philippine automotive industry has been rocked the past couple of weeks by the "sudden unintended acceleration" charges filed against the Mitsubishi Montero Sport--allegations that have been around for years, but for some reason have come back with unprecedented media attention just as Mitsubishi Motors Philippines is preparing to launch the all-new model of the best-selling midsize SUV.

And now, the motoring world is divided: One group (which includes us, for the record) believes SUA doesn't exist, while another group (obviously including the accusers or so-called "victims") insists that SUA exists and that the Montero Sport is afflicted with it.

The funny thing is that many people who chime in on social media haven't even been inside a Montero Sport, let alone driven one. And many are simply sympathizing with the "victims," maintaining that it's always right to side with the consumers instead of the big corporation.

But one Montero Sport owner named Allan Agati sent us an e-mail to contribute his two cents. Instead of just carelessly posting comments on social media, he went out and actually conducted his own little "research." You see, Allan happens to also own a Toyota Fortuner--the Montero Sport's direct rival--and he set out to compare the pedal layouts of the two. Here is his full message (in italics):

Dear Mr. Sarne, thank you for your article on the Montero Sport and its alleged tendency to exhibit unintended acceleration. As a Montero Sport owner, I'm seriously concerned about the issue. I am inclined to agree that driver input has a lot to do with the accidents. Of course, I'd also like to be sure. I'm not an automobile expert and will not pretend to be one. I'm not sure if this e-mail will even make sense to you, but I'll send it your way anyway.

I got a link from another forum about a video on left-foot braking, and how driver habits have a tendency to misapply pedals by basically swinging their right foot, causing the unintended acceleration. I'll admit to being guilty of this, but more so with my Montero Sport. I also have a Fortuner but have always favored driving the Montero Sport precisely because of the ease of switching pedals, not to mention the better suspension.

So I went and compared the pedals on my Montero Sport and Fortuner, and this is what I noticed:


Montero Sport's pedal layout

Fortuner's pedal layout

As you can see, the Montero Sport’s brake pedal is almost level with the gas pedal. This makes for ease of pedal-shifting, but brings you closer to unintended acceleration as there's a greater tendency for one’s foot to step on both the brake and the gas, or to slip and step squarely on the accelerator and not the brake.

The Fortuner’s brake pedal, on the other hand, is far more elevated compared to the accelerator. So when I drive it and need to step on the brakes, I actually have to pull my foot and leg back a little to place it squarely on the brake pedal. I can't just swing my right foot from the gas to the brake like I usually do with the Montero Sport.

Could this be why the Montero Sport is more prone to unintended acceleration? Again, I'm not an automobile expert. My Montero Sport’s pedals could even be non-spec now for all I know (it's a 2012 model, while the Fortuner is 2015). But I'm sending you this e-mail anyway in the hopes it could help somehow.

Photos from Allan Agati

[glenn_duke]

http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/motor...and-finds-this

As I mentioned before, kung pansin ninyo yung round rubber or plastic stopper sa likod ng accelerator pedal ng monty, madaling ma unscrew yan at bumara sa pedal, pag sa right side siya ng pedal pumunta ma lalalock yung accelerator, pag sa left side naman , haharang siya sa brake pedal. Nangyari sa akin yan, buti nalang malakas hand brake ng monty. Lagyan ninyo ng glue yung screw niyan, para hindi basta basta matatanggal.

[whiteb16a]

http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/motor...and-finds-this

I'm not sure what I'm looking at in the Montero's pedal picture, but I seem to notice some kind of landings, an upper and a lower one. The grain on the carpet seem to recess downwards as shown by the red arrow. These landings maybe affecting the driver's ability to step the right pedal. I could be wrong though. Here is what I meant.

[botsog]

hi guys... what i noticed here, it's monty owners vs non-monty owners plus another one, no offense for the monty owners. 'monty owners vs monty owners'. there are 97 sua complainants who are also monty owners. the fanboys here reached the point where they also bash other monty owners with whom they have differences in opinion. some monty owners even commented it was driver's error, senior citizens who doesn't know how to drive AT, liars, tanga and even others want them sued. hey guys, you're both monty owners... think about it... other clubs for fortuners, trailblazers, etc., do you think they have bickerings like this up to the point where you want the dealer to sue them???

just my 2 cents...

[botsog]

bakit ba lahat na rito tinalo na ng monty owners pati na rin yung 97 complainants eh monty owners din yun? nothing against monty pero safety is the best policy... hehehe... tama ba yun?