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    Question for AT drivers who had more experience with MT.

    From a stand still, pwede mo ba mapagkamalan na clutch yun brake pedal? Like for example, depress mo yun brake thinking na clutch sya then shifting to D o R then apak accelerator padiin ng pdiin kasi ayaw umandar dahil naka brake ka. Then releasing the brake slowly thinking na clutch yun. Tapos bigla mag surge yun car due to the release of stored potential energy. Pwede ba yun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by car_fan View Post
    Question for AT drivers who had more experience with MT.

    From a stand still, pwede mo ba mapagkamalan na clutch yun brake pedal? Like for example, depress mo yun brake thinking na clutch sya then shifting to D o R then apak accelerator padiin ng pdiin kasi ayaw umandar dahil naka brake ka. Then releasing the brake slowly thinking na clutch yun. Tapos bigla mag surge yun car due to the release of stored potential energy. Pwede ba yun?
    My main car is a manual, my backup car is an automatic. Minsan nakakalimutan kong matic pala dala ko, so my left foot looks for a clutch, nagugulat ako na walang pedal.

    But never have I stepped on the brake pedal thinking it was the clutch. Ibang iba pedal feel ng brake ng AT because it's a much wider pedal with much less resistance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by car_fan View Post
    Question for AT drivers who had more experience with MT.

    From a stand still, pwede mo ba mapagkamalan na clutch yun brake pedal? Like for example, depress mo yun brake thinking na clutch sya then shifting to D o R then apak accelerator padiin ng pdiin kasi ayaw umandar dahil naka brake ka. Then releasing the brake slowly thinking na clutch yun. Tapos bigla mag surge yun car due to the release of stored potential energy. Pwede ba yun?
    puede kung puede.
    but the pedal ergonomics are "wrong", or rather, not easy to mistake one for the other.
    with AT, the brake pedal is wide, to favor the left foot.

    so how can the right foot mistake the gas for the brake? well, if their heights are similar, that would make it easier.. i also suspect the seating position and that middle tambol of a console, also have something to contribute.. i am confident ergonomics experts can figure it out.. i'm wondering when such a person will be interviewed..
    Last edited by dr. d; December 2nd, 2015 at 07:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by car_fan View Post
    Question for AT drivers who had more experience with MT.

    From a stand still, pwede mo ba mapagkamalan na clutch yun brake pedal? Like for example, depress mo yun brake thinking na clutch sya then shifting to D o R then apak accelerator padiin ng pdiin kasi ayaw umandar dahil naka brake ka. Then releasing the brake slowly thinking na clutch yun. Tapos bigla mag surge yun car due to the release of stored potential energy. Pwede ba yun?
    No and never, ang layo ng brake pedal sa foot pedal para maabot sya ng left foot by sheer reflex meaning na gulat ka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaNker View Post
    No and never, ang layo ng brake pedal sa foot pedal para maabot sya ng left foot by sheer reflex meaning na gulat ka.
    May kaibigan ako na may autosupply at may talyer rin, sabi nya pwedeng ang SUA ay due to driver rin dahil nga raw sa position ng accelerator, so still ergonomics issue, and ergonomics issue is a manufacturers issue. Still, it is a subject for a manufacturer's recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vvti2.0 View Post
    May kaibigan ako na may autosupply at may talyer rin, sabi nya pwedeng ang SUA ay due to driver rin dahil nga raw sa position ng accelerator, so still ergonomics issue, and ergonomics issue is a manufacturers issue. Still, it is a subject for a manufacturer's recall.
    Baka accelerator pedal placement ang ibig nyang sabihin. Tulad ng case ng toyota camry sa US na prone ma stuck and accelerator pedal dahil sa matting resulting to SUA and since di pa uso ang brake throttle override noon.

    Wala kasing ergonimic issue pag dating sa pedal orientation, meaning mas malapit and brake pedal sa accelator. Standard yan sa lahat ng car manufacturer.

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    Anyway, ang issue na ganito na mga may deperensya at denial ng mga manufacturers about sa issue ay di na bago at di lang sa Mitsubishi at sa mga owners.

    Hello, Toyota, yung unang release ng D4D, wala pala issue eh pinalitan nila design ng SCV sa mga sumunod na revision. Kaway rin sa Toyota ulit sa todo deny na issue sa design ng fuel system ng Innova VVTi na nagkakavacuum sa loob.

    At wag rin natin kalimutan yung mga owners na todo deny rin na wala issue Toyota nila at maintenance issues lang yun sa mga owners na na encounter yung ganun na issue.

    Third world country tayo, hindi uso ang recall, unless mauna mag recall yung mga developed countries na may issue yung same na part na na-install sa kanila (hello Toyota airbag recall).

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    Quote Originally Posted by vvti2.0 View Post
    May kaibigan ako na may autosupply at may talyer rin, sabi nya pwedeng ang SUA ay due to driver rin dahil nga raw sa position ng accelerator, so still ergonomics issue, and ergonomics issue is a manufacturers issue. Still, it is a subject for a manufacturer's recall.
    cars are designed ergonomically also, tulad ng mga american cars, they are designed as per the average people measurement with in their market.

    now kung yung paa ng driver ng montero e paang luya, di problema ng MMC yun kasi di naman average na ang paa e hugis luya hehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xagent_orangex View Post
    cars are designed ergonomically also, tulad ng mga american cars, they are designed as per the average people measurement with in their market.

    now kung yung paa ng driver ng montero e paang luya, di problema ng MMC yun kasi di naman average na ang paa e hugis luya hehe.
    How can we be sure that the Montero pedal positioning ergonomically designed nga? So dapat isa rin ito sa subject for investigation? Tayo lang ba ang left hand drive na montero?

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    Dumadami complainant ng montero. Araw araw yata nag hahanap ang abs cbn ng complainant nationwide.

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    Bakit kaya ang tindi ng mga nakuhang experts ng DTI. Lagi ko pa man din carwash si monty. Lol. Oh ito.


    2013 santa fe. Bakit di ito pinuputakte ng balita? Hahaha. Di na ako magtataka kung after ng mitsu hyundai naman. 😂 langyang media yan. Santa fe wuut ah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frostmourn View Post
    Bakit kaya ang tindi ng mga nakuhang experts ng DTI. Lagi ko pa man din carwash si monty. Lol. Oh ito.


    2013 santa fe. Bakit di ito pinuputakte ng balita? Hahaha. Di na ako magtataka kung after ng mitsu hyundai naman. 😂 langyang media yan. Santa fe wuut ah.
    Ano pa nga ba ang dapat asahan natin sa DTI. Walang pera yan para kumuha ng matinik na expert, kaya ayan carwash daw.

    Engine wash siguro ang ibig mo sabihin Engr. Araga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaNker View Post
    Ano pa nga ba ang dapat asahan natin sa DTI. Walang pera yan para kumuha ng matinik na expert, kaya ayan carwash daw.

    Engine wash siguro ang ibig mo sabihin Engr. Araga.
    that person could be refering to an interchange of the floor mats that could possibly result in entanglement of the accelerator pedal after vacuuming the interior of the car which is part and parcel of a car wash service

    some cleaners are not familiar with proper shape of the floor mat for the driver side or simply haphazardly return the mat without bothering to check. the mat for the passenger side ends up into the driver side instead
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    Anong masasabi nyo sa walang katapusang pambabatikos at tuloy tuloy na pamumulbos ng abs cbn sa mitsubishi mga bossing?dito ako sa abroad ngayon at ramdam ko ang init ng topic na SUA ng montero.I felt so bad because 6 months old palang monty ko

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    I also own a montero, but I Personally don't believe in sua. Pero na pre judged na montero. I was supposed to sell my unit sana even before the abs cbn media barrage took place. Pampadagdag din sana sa new car na bibilhin ko. Reality is, resale value sucks right now, so I'll just keep it nalang muna. Pero sana mitsubishi takes a more aggressive approach in their media handling of the situation. Pa interview nila mga expert. They should ask a separate portion sa tv patrol na side naman nila iniinterview. Naghihintay Lang ng pamasko yang si kabayad Noli. And they should push more yung 3rd independent expert from abroad and challenge the accusers to jointly appoint one. Dapat may media coverage din yang challenge na yan.
    Kung ayaw pumayag ng accusers sa 3rd independent expert, pa cover pa rin nila sa media yung refusal.

    Quote Originally Posted by cliford27 View Post
    Anong masasabi nyo sa walang katapusang pambabatikos at tuloy tuloy na pamumulbos ng abs cbn sa mitsubishi mga bossing?dito ako sa abroad ngayon at ramdam ko ang init ng topic na SUA ng montero.I felt so bad because 6 months old palang monty ko

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    Gabi gabi nalang na yan ang balita sa TFC sa tv patrol.mukhang 1 sided pa ang pagkadeliver ng news.They are creating chaos and fears to the public

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