Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[GerryT247]

Bakit hindi naka ilaw yung third brake light?

[automot0]

so how are they supposed to explain this...

naka crocs si lolo kaya malamang both breaks and accelerator ang natapakan lamang lang si accelerator kaya hindi huminto. dikit kasi masyado ang gas at brake pedal ng motero

[automot0]

exactly. I already said it before. If you look at the numbers, you can already see a common factor - Montero.

Because if it is purely human error as what Mitsubishi claims (and even Top Gear supports), why does it happens mostly on MS only? Are MS drivers dumb compared to drivers of others SUVs?

try to go to DTI sir and check hindi lang montero ang may reklamo na ganyan meron din sa ibang brand hindi lang sensationalized

[L22]

The heavy smoke emitted is very unusual for a normally operating car.

[niky]

Here is the video...brake lights on..

https://youtu.be/Ib16hbX_44Q

Finally saw it a while ago on the SUA page.

Nope.

Several red flags.

First red flag: The driver said he thought it was in "Drive" and it suddenly reversed. Not going to happen. But beyond that, if he thought it was in "Drive", why did he push the lever down INTO Drive after the impact? There's nowhere to go down to after you hit Drive! He should have been pushing the lever up into Neutral (if in Drive) or up into Park (if in Reverse).

Second red flag: No brake lights. Tell me... what lights are brightest on the back of the vehicle? The center portion of the rear lights? Right. Now which portion of the rear lights are brake lights?

Let's review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5dsRE9BqYI
Right, the corners. And, as we see... when the corners light up, so does the third brake light. And those corner lights are BRIGHTER than the center driving lights, so it will be immediately obvious when they're on.

Third red flag: The reporter claims those are brake marks. Emphatically, no, they are not. Those are burn-out marks from the rear tires spinning. Brake marks made from tires sliding under braking from those speeds are much lighter gray in color, and much less distinct. Take it from someone who's done hundreds of braking exercises on asphalt and concrete.

Of course, ABS will prevent the tires from skidding, in the first place.

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Just another in a long chapter of poor forensic reporting and analysis from ABS-CBN....

[i.am.aids]

Bakit hindi naka ilaw yung third brake light?

1. Heavily tinted yung back?
2. Naka on yung park lights nya and those are not brake lights?

[kimbon]

This thread is back to "our" regularly programming

[frostmourn]

Finally saw it a while ago on the SUA page.

Nope.

Several red flags.

First red flag: The driver said he thought it was in "Drive" and it suddenly reversed. Not going to happen. But beyond that, if he thought it was in "Drive", why did he push the lever down INTO Drive after the impact? There's nowhere to go down to after you hit Drive! He should have been pushing the lever up into Neutral (if in Drive) or up into Park (if in Reverse).

Second red flag: No brake lights. Tell me... what lights are brightest on the back of the vehicle? The center portion of the rear lights? Right. Now which portion of the rear lights are brake lights?

Let's review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5dsRE9BqYI
Right, the corners. And, as we see... when the corners light up, so does the third brake light. And those corner lights are BRIGHTER than the center driving lights, so it will be immediately obvious when they're on.

Third red flag: The reporter claims those are brake marks. Emphatically, no, they are not. Those are burn-out marks from the rear tires spinning. Brake marks made from tires sliding under braking from those speeds are much lighter gray in color, and much less distinct. Take it from someone who's done hundreds of braking exercises on asphalt and concrete.

Of course, ABS will prevent the tires from skidding, in the first place.

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Just another in a long chapter of poor forensic reporting and analysis from ABS-CBN....

Very good review Mr. Niky. And yes, no 3rd brake light at all.

This dominic almelor is well known for video splicing. Shame on him. No wonder why he is not a regular reporter of any news program of that station since he is not credible.

[dct]

Nakakapagtaka rin naman na nakapreno ang gulong at nagskid tapos umaandar? Ano ang nagpapaandar pwera sa gulong?

[spotdog11]

Finally saw it a while ago on the SUA page.

Nope.

Several red flags.

First red flag: The driver said he thought it was in "Drive" and it suddenly reversed. Not going to happen. But beyond that, if he thought it was in "Drive", why did he push the lever down INTO Drive after the impact? There's nowhere to go down to after you hit Drive! He should have been pushing the lever up into Neutral (if in Drive) or up into Park (if in Reverse).

Second red flag: No brake lights. Tell me... what lights are brightest on the back of the vehicle? The center portion of the rear lights? Right. Now which portion of the rear lights are brake lights?

Let's review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5dsRE9BqYI
Right, the corners. And, as we see... when the corners light up, so does the third brake light. And those corner lights are BRIGHTER than the center driving lights, so it will be immediately obvious when they're on.

Third red flag: The reporter claims those are brake marks. Emphatically, no, they are not. Those are burn-out marks from the rear tires spinning. Brake marks made from tires sliding under braking from those speeds are much lighter gray in color, and much less distinct. Take it from someone who's done hundreds of braking exercises on asphalt and concrete.

Of course, ABS will prevent the tires from skidding, in the first place.

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Just another in a long chapter of poor forensic reporting and analysis from ABS-CBN....

Sir, if you observe at about 4 seconds into the video, there is a passing red car at the uppermost portion of the screen. The color red on this car really stands out and seem highlighted. I think the video is edited with an enhanced red color to manipulate the brake light effect.

[Altis6453]

If what Niky says is true, then you have a clear case for LIBEL against ABS-CBN and Kabayad...este...Kabayan.

[micro24]

Sir, if you observe at about 4 seconds into the video, there is a passing red car at the uppermost portion of the screen. The color red on this car really stands out and seem highlighted. I think the video is edited with an enhanced red color to manipulate the brake light effect.

A very nice observation sir, obviously gumamit sila ng mask tracking at selective color sa Adobe After Effects or Apple Final Cut pro maybe? para ma-highlight yong red. pansinin nyo yong tricycle at mga motor sa right side "Grayscale sya o Black & White" kahit sa upper portion, nasan na yong color red paint ng st. vincent hospital check nyo 47 secs sa video may red pero nong bumangga yong montero naka grayscale.

[frostmourn]

A very nice observation sir, obviously gumamit sila ng mask tracking at selective color sa Adobe After Effects or Apple Final Cut pro maybe? para ma-highlight yong red. pansinin nyo yong tricycle at mga motor sa right side "Grayscale sya o Black & White" kahit sa upper portion, nasan na yong color red paint ng st. vincent hospital check nyo 47 secs sa video may red pero nong bumangga yong montero naka grayscale.

Yan ang specialty ni almelor. Video splicing. Nag send ako ng message sa kanya. Sabi ko ang bias niya magreport, question ko kung marunong ba siya sa automotive. Ayun galit na galit ang loko. Hahaha. Yun yung way nya para maka earn ng pera pampakain sa family nya.

[Monseratto]

So, another video of alleged SUA has surfaced, but is the report accurate?
by Niky Tamayo - 5 hours ago
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Another video has emerged detailing an alleged sudden unintended acceleration incident caught on camera. The TV news reporter covering the incident has presented it as ironclad proof of a mechanical malfunction, stating that the brake lights were on in the video, and the vehicle left brake marks after the crash.

But is this really what we are seeing?

It's interesting to look at the similarities between this incident and others, and what we can learn about SUA.

First off, the driver, a retired general, claims that he was surprised to find the vehicle going backward after putting it in "Drive". This indicates a possibility that he believed he was starting the vehicle from Neutral, which is something you should not do.

But after the first hit, it's puzzling that he would put the vehicle in "Drive" afterward. If he voluntarily pushed it down into "Drive", that indicates more confusion on his part, because if you believe you are already in "Drive", why push the lever down instead of backing up?

Secondly, when the vehicle shoots forward, what the TV reporter claims to be brake lights are quite apparently running lights. Notice that the inner portion of the brake light assembly is brighter than the outer portion (the actual brake lights), and that the third brake light (a legal requirement for increasing the visibility of the brake lights) is not lit in the video. As you can see from the previous video, the brake lights should be clearly visible in broad daylight.

Thirdly, what the report claims to be tire marks left by the brakes are emphatically not. ABS does not allow the tires to slide that much without unlocking the brakes (which would cause a stutter-pattern), and even without active ABS, tire marks left by braking are much lighter in color and depth. The depth and color of the marks indicate that they are burnout marks left by the rear tires spinning while the Montero was pushing the pickup it collided with. Further evidence for this conclusion are the small mounds of rubber around the marks, which will not be found around brake marks, but around burnout marks.

A burnout is precisely what we see when we notice the big cloud of white smoke--over-revving diesels typically produce black smoke--behind the Montero Sport in question. Though it is still possible some of that comes from the engine.

Consider us unconvinced. While we are open to the possibility of alternate explanations, the evidence still points to driver error in this case.

http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/motor...e-a36-20160218

[Belahans]

"But after the first hit, it's puzzling that he would put the vehicle in "Drive" afterward. If he voluntarily pushed it down into "Drive", that indicates more confusion on his part, because if you believe you are already in "Drive", why push the lever down instead of backing up?"

can anybody explain this statement? di kaya nang brain cells ko intindihin, may sinabi ba si general na after nya mag reverse e nilagay nya sa drive? di ba ang sabi nya, nasa drive na daw siya pero nagreverse.

[Belahans]

"Secondly, when the vehicle shoots forward, what the TV reporter claims to be brake lights are quite apparently running lights. Notice that the inner portion of the brake light assembly is brighter than the outer portion (the actual brake lights), and that the third brake light (a legal requirement for increasing the visibility of the brake lights) is not lit in the video. As you can see from the previous video, the brake lights should be clearly visible in broad daylight."

kung titingnan po natin ang link na sinasabi nilang kita ang third brake light in broad daylight, notice sa 1:30 mark nang video hindi kita ang third brake light due to dark tints. the only time na kita sa video ang third brake lights e nung nabasag na ang rear glass dahil sa pagkakabangga.

[JJB]

Is it possible that the inhibitor switch is faulty shifting the gear from D to R? then after the first impact, gear would automatically shift to D thus creating a frontal crash?
Lahat ba ng models ng montero may 3rd brake light na? why would someone switch the park lights on if it's daytime?
just really curious about all the possibilities for SUA since we have a newer and kinda-more-convincing video

[CVT]

Finally saw it a while ago on the SUA page.

Nope.

Several red flags.

First red flag: The driver said he thought it was in "Drive" and it suddenly reversed. Not going to happen. But beyond that, if he thought it was in "Drive", why did he push the lever down INTO Drive after the impact? There's nowhere to go down to after you hit Drive! He should have been pushing the lever up into Neutral (if in Drive) or up into Park (if in Reverse).

Second red flag: No brake lights. Tell me... what lights are brightest on the back of the vehicle? The center portion of the rear lights? Right. Now which portion of the rear lights are brake lights?

Let's review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5dsRE9BqYI
Right, the corners. And, as we see... when the corners light up, so does the third brake light. And those corner lights are BRIGHTER than the center driving lights, so it will be immediately obvious when they're on.

Third red flag: The reporter claims those are brake marks. Emphatically, no, they are not. Those are burn-out marks from the rear tires spinning. Brake marks made from tires sliding under braking from those speeds are much lighter gray in color, and much less distinct. Take it from someone who's done hundreds of braking exercises on asphalt and concrete.

Of course, ABS will prevent the tires from skidding, in the first place.

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Just another in a long chapter of poor forensic reporting and analysis from ABS-CBN....

Comments:

First Red Flag : Happened to me,- diesel engine, I forgot that I left the lever on Reverse as I backed-up earlier to provide enough maneuvering space,- while waiting for another car to move out of a parking slot.... Foot on the brake pedal. When I lifted my foot and shifted it on the accelerator,- I was jolted and was heavily disoriented (as I thought that I was on Drive). Note, Reverse gear ratio is higher than Drive and so, will jolt you more. Presence of mind to step on the brake, rather than continue pressing the accelerator.... And shift to Drive.
Happened to me again,- diesel engine, I again forgot that I left the lever on Reverse as I backed-up earlier to align with the toll window at the Bicutan exit, as the reader could not read my RFID tag.... Similar thing, foot on the brake pedal. When the barrier was released, I lifted my foot and shifted it on the accelerator,- much much heavy jolt as it's sloped downward. Presence of mind to step on the brake, rather sticking with the accelerator... And shift to Drive.

Second Red Flag : Yes,- it looks like the regular running/park lights to me.... The MS uses a P21W bulb, right,- so park light is 5W and brake light is 5W + 21W (?),- so we should see that the two outermost running/park lights should be much much brighter vs. the pair of center running/park lights. Edited?.... If yes,- mali ang edit... Obviously do not know that brake lights occupy the outermost portion to provide accurate position of the vehicle when braking/stopping. Wow!
And yes,- what happened to the third brake light? Pundido ba ito?... 3 bulb-lights yata,- so, the law of probabilities here.

Third Red Flag : Tyre marks - si bro.niky ang expert diyan,- hindi ako magaling mag-iwan ng skid marks e...




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[micro24]

"Secondly, when the vehicle shoots forward, what the TV reporter claims to be brake lights are quite apparently running lights. Notice that the inner portion of the brake light assembly is brighter than the outer portion (the actual brake lights), and that the third brake light (a legal requirement for increasing the visibility of the brake lights) is not lit in the video. As you can see from the previous video, the brake lights should be clearly visible in broad daylight."

kung titingnan po natin ang link na sinasabi nilang kita ang third brake light in broad daylight, notice sa 1:30 mark nang video hindi kita ang third brake light due to dark tints. the only time na kita sa video ang third brake lights e nung nabasag na ang rear glass dahil sa pagkakabangga.

can't see the third brake light nga bago mabasag yong rear glass ok. BUT! after mag-switch ng driver "1:50 mark ng video" hindi na umilaw ni isang brake light... baka akala nya brake? nong pagkatapos bumangga saka mo makikitang umilaw yong mga brake lights.


sa St. Vincent Hospital naman pause ka sa 0:04 mark ng video upper part notice may red car na dadaan ang tingkad, pansinin mo din mga nakaparadang sasakyan nawala na lahat red tail lights grayscale? desaturated? including St. Vincent Hospital red paint 0:47 or 0:48 mark ng video kita mo actual na kulay. now don't tell me sa cctv hindi magpapkita lahat ng kulay, take note may dumaan na red car ang tingkad. Now balik tayo sa montero ni general pause mo sa "0:14 mark ng video" hindi outer part yong nakikita mong nakailaw at! I suspect ginamitan yan ng Selective Color, ni-adjust brightness sa selected part, ginamitan din ng Mask Tracker. naniniwala ako sa SUA pero hindi ganito.

Selective Color https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m0J3gfB5OM
Mask Tracker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7wpUtUMw8A

[CVT]

Is it possible that the inhibitor switch is faulty shifting the gear from D to R? then after the first impact, gear would automatically shift to D thus creating a frontal crash?
Lahat ba ng models ng montero may 3rd brake light na? why would someone switch the park lights on if it's daytime?
just really curious about all the possibilities for SUA since we have a newer and kinda-more-convincing video

Bro,- AFAIK, inhibitor switches were designed and installed to inhibit starting the vehicle, unless the lever is on P [or N(?)],- so what you are saying is kind of 'illogical' to consider.

I usually use the park lights when driving even on daytime.... Most especially if I am driving against the sun... This gives the vehicle behind me a little more information about my vehicle position and speed,- as collisions happen when rolling, too... Depends from one driver to another,- but this is me.

Again,- the video is not convincing, as the outermost running/brake lights did not light up more intensely, as pointed out by bro.niky....

What is the year model of that MS? I assume that all MS (more recent releases) have a third brake light (and with 3 bulbs which would not get busted at the same time - again, the law of probabilities or the law of being pabaya on the part of the owner... )



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