Does school really matter?

[_Cathy_]

Actually the problem with hiring someone from a top university is that they have no intentions of climbing up the corporate ladder. They're more likely to take their first job for experience and leave after a few years before building their own start up or joining the family business.

They wont have any real ambition for a promotion in their job. They would work but they simply wont do the extra mile since they don't need it. No way in hell would they go to work on weekends since they dont need the promotion or the overtime pay.


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My bosses and colleagues know that I will NEVER go to work on a weekend or holiday. I don't even get asked anymore whenever week-end overtime is needed because they know that I would rather die than go to work on a weekend. I don't mind staying in the office past midnight but weekends and holidays are sacred for me. This is what my Kuya told me when I started working. He said that work should never be taken home as well.

Not working on week-ends and holidays also saves the company cost on OT pay. There was an issue in our company where employees are staying overtime but not really working Ever since then OT approvals have been very strict. I rarely charge OT but now we are required to put commentary on reason for OT. I stopped charging OT for an extra 1 to 2 hours of work a day because I don't want to be bothered with commentary (i feel it's demoralizing) AND it's my little way of helping our company cut costs and for better numbers for my boss (The OT of my boss' staff gets monitored and it's better if OT in his team is at a minimum)

[dr. d]

Actually the problem with hiring someone from a top university is that they have no intentions of climbing up the corporate ladder. They're more likely to take their first job for experience and leave after a few years before building their own start up or joining the family business.

They wont have any real ambition for a promotion in their job. They would work but they simply wont do the extra mile since they don't need it. No way in hell would they go to work on weekends since they dont need the promotion or the overtime pay.


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but hey! it's but natural, to transfer if one is allured by "higher pay and/or better working atmosphere" (aka, "i own the business!")....

[chua_riwap]

Wala sa school yan ....
Diskarte lang yan.

Here's one example. The PBA, yes the Phil. Basketball Ass. Marketing Director (Rhose Montreal) was discovered recently, that her school diploma was fake. She faked her UP school cert & even declared herself a cum laude. Because of that humiliating discovery, she resigned.

But lo & behold. She re-applied for the same position, & the board re-hired her, for "humanitarian reasons". Tang nang yan.

Gawin mo sa ibang malaking opisina yan, sibak ka na kakasuhan ka pa. UP graduate, cum laude, peke pala. Kapal din ng mukha.

Pero, mas ku*l ang PBA. Tinanggap pa ulit.

[dr. d]

Wala sa school yan ....
Diskarte lang yan.

Here's one example. The PBA, yes the Phil. Basketball Ass. Marketing Director (Rhose Montreal) was discovered recently, that her school diploma was fake. She faked her UP school cert & even declared herself a cum laude. Because of that humiliating discovery, she resigned.

But lo & behold. She re-applied for the same position, & the board re-hired her, for "humanitarian reasons". Tang nang yan.

Gawin mo sa ibang malaking opisina yan, sibak ka na kakasuhan ka pa. UP graduate, cum laude, peke pala. Kapal din ng mukha.

Pero, mas ku*l ang PBA. Tinanggap pa ulit.

nice... she is lucky that her employers feel that her work output outweighs her initial sense of ethics.
but let us not assume that the very small minority reflects the vast majority.

[_Cathy_]

Something similar happened to us. Our manager interviewed an applicant from DLSU Manila. When he submitted his transcript it wasn't DLSU Manila but some other la salle school. Our manager hired him anyway since he did well on the interview naman. He said sinadya niya talaga yun sa CV since he knows companies prefer those 3 schools.

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[CVT]

Wala sa school yan ....
Diskarte lang yan.

Here's one example. The PBA, yes the Phil. Basketball Ass. Marketing Director (Rhose Montreal) was discovered recently, that her school diploma was fake. She faked her UP school cert & even declared herself a cum laude. Because of that humiliating discovery, she resigned.

But lo & behold. She re-applied for the same position, & the board re-hired her, for "humanitarian reasons". Tang nang yan.

Gawin mo sa ibang malaking opisina yan, sibak ka na kakasuhan ka pa. UP graduate, cum laude, peke pala. Kapal din ng mukha.

Pero, mas ku*l ang PBA. Tinanggap pa ulit.

Wow! IMO, if indeed true,- ang kapal naman ng Ms. Montreal na iyan,- nag-claim na graduate ng UP,- dinagdagan pa ng Cum Laude! Bw*kan3n*ng iyan... She's a fraud!...

Agree bro.,- IMO,- mas kvp*l ang PBA and speaks real bad of their "leadership".

Pasensiya na,- graduate kasi kami ng Wart[h]orn e...


"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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[chua_riwap]

Wow! IMO, if indeed true,- ang kapal naman ng Ms. Montreal na iyan,- nag-claim na graduate ng UP,- dinagdagan pa ng Cum Laude! Bw*kan3n*ng iyan... She's a fraud!...

Agree bro.,- IMO,- mas kvp*l ang PBA and speaks real bad of their "leadership".

Pasensiya na,- graduate kasi kami ng Wart[h]orn e...


"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!



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Dinis-own sya ng UP sir. May ni-release na certification pa sa media at PBA, na walang Rhose Montreal na graduate sa UP.

Graduate pala ng UP Recto. Pero, nilubos-lubos na nya. UP grad na, w/ honors pa. Yan ang mame-meke. Sagad-sagaran......

[CVT]

Dinis-own sya ng UP sir. May ni-release na certification pa sa media at PBA, na walang Rhose Montreal na graduate sa UP.

Graduate pala ng UP Recto. Pero, nilubos-lubos na nya. UP grad na, w/ honors pa. Yan ang mame-meke. Sagad-sagaran......

I really wonder why they have to rehire her, after all of the misleading things and claims she told them...

To my mind,- malamang, magaling ding "sumipsip" iyan...

I read too that she did good,- but then faking your credentials is a no no no as there are standards and morals that we need to be faithful with in our business and society... Else everything crumbles down.


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[vinj]

Unfortunately, the Philippines is not alone in this. I worked in Kuala Lumpur before we came here and had to do some interviewing for a Graduate Engineer. It was possibly the most depressing week of my life. Here's some examples;-

"When will I be running my own projects?" - These were multi million dollar rail projects - "Hmm, let's say next week?"!
"I'm really interested in designing roads" - Obviously taught good research skills, the one thing we didn't do was design roads!
"When do I become a manager?" - "Here, have my job, I suddenly have the overwhelming desire to drown myself in a large Tiger beer"

One guy, when asked what he knew about our company took a sheet of paper out of his pocket and started reading the home page of our website!

What I found really surprising was that around 60%, when told that we expected them to think for themselves, question solutions (English style!) and were basically saying, "Write your own job description dependent on your interests and we'll support you" said that that method didn't work for them. They wanted strict orders and instructions for each and every task.

And then of course, there were the ones that just didn't bother to turn up at all...

No wonder I drink!

We have a relatively fresh grad employee who resigned, graduated from UP. The employee stated that he did not get the desired assignments but in reality, the employee was not taking the initiative and only did what was required of the job. Even during our weekly discussions, walang contributed inputs.

[Wh1stl3r2]

"Does school really matter" - To me it does, but learning matters more. A lot of applicants have impressive academic records but lack essential skills, attitude and acumen to do the job. An impressive record will get you noticed and probably hired, but it won't keep you there or promote you. In the end it is still about performance.

[kimbon]

"Does school really matter" - To me it does, but learning matters more. A lot of applicants have impressive academic records but lack essential skills, attitude and acumen to do the job. An impressive record will get you noticed and probably hired, but it won't keep you there or promote you. In the end it is still about performance.

in other words s/he must be a street smart. Hehe

[safeorigin]

graduating from a US based university or college is usually seen in high regard and praise...

but little do people know that in reality, it's like this

[_Cathy_]

graduating from a US based university or college is usually seen in high regard and praise...

Not if the person graduated from a community college in the US...

[Jun aka Pekto]

Not if the person graduated from a community college in the US...

Most students in community colleges go there to take up their general courses and then go on into major universities and colleges once they reach the majoring stage. My daughter, for example, chose to go to a community college first to get her general courses out of the way. She's already been accepted to attend the U of Arizona next spring. The U of Arizona has a satellite campus right next door to her current college.

Most degree courses in community colleges deal with a more hands-on approach than a regular university. The curriculum is based on the inputs from local businesses who provide the standards they require to the college (they work together, hence community). There are actually local businesses (eg Raytheon) who hire graduating students on the spot.

If you ask me, I think community college grads are more prepared to work right away than those from conventional colleges/universities.

[safeorigin]

Most students in community colleges go there to take up their general courses and then go on into major universities and colleges once they reach the majoring stage. My daughter, for example, chose to go to a community college first to get her general courses out of the way. She's already been accepted to attend the U of Arizona next spring. The U of Arizona has a satellite campus right next door to her current college.

Most degree courses in community colleges deal with a more hands-on approach than a regular university. The curriculum is based on the inputs from local businesses who provide the standards they require to the college (they work together, hence community). There are actually local businesses (eg Raytheon) who hire graduating students on the spot.

If you ask me, I think community college grads are more prepared to work right away than those from conventional colleges/universities.

those are conventional ones...

but not these sort:

UCLA Gender Studies

Diversity and Social Justice Studies (DSJS) (formerly Women's Studies) | Faculty of Arts | UPEI.

Stop mocking “safe spaces”: What the Mizzou & Yale backlash is really about - Salon.com

how much these courses prepare students for actual jobs and careers that matter in society is questionable when they become fragile snowflakes that are "triggered" at the slightest "offense"

[Jun aka Pekto]

how much these courses prepare students for actual jobs and careers that matter in society is questionable when they become fragile snowflakes that are "triggered" at the slightest "offense"

The courses you mentioned? Probably not much. They address behavior in the workplace. But, they don't address qualifications.

[_Cathy_]

I can't believe that this kid has gone through over 40 interviews and not a single job offer? There's probably something wrong with his personality considering that he is an Atenean and graduated with honors.

Plus he should have never criticize BPOs on social media because you will get a lot of backlash I won't be surprised if he goes viral. I am not sure if I understood his post but was he looking down at Accenture? I think IT employees at Accenture are paid well and get to travel a lot.

#ADMURantbox115
#RBgrad #RBateneo

Can we talk about the real issues for a millisecond instead of all these love problems?? Like how Ateneans aren't getting hired for the good jobs??????

This was such a good topic on Twitter last month, until *a prof* [[redacted]] turned it into a topic about how university builds up your character. Yes, we know that, but we're more worried about the fact that Ateneo is a top university, so why aren't its graduates getting snapped up like lechon at a fiesta. Not all of us are rich kids [[redacted]]. Some of us have mouths to feed and are trying to figure out how to do so. #checkyoprivilege

I just don't get it, , me and my friends did everything right. We're DLs and cum laudes, we rose up in orgs and gave it our all becoming EB pushing the org to be better, making it financially stable. And we walked around the job fairs with our resumes, giving it out to all these companies begging for Ateneans to hire (because job fair is so ****ing expensive to sponsor, guys) and then what? We don't get ****ing hired. We go through rounds and rounds of interviews, and then what? We're not even being picky anymore. We're so tired. So, so tired at all this bullshit.

I dont know where to get good information on how to be what companies want me to be. I dont know what I'm doing wrong. I dont wanna work for some BPO though I'm so tempted already. I asked my "friends" how they did it and nobody wants to tell me how.

"I just applied and got in."
"idk, they just liked me and said i'm in"
"my uncle works for them and recommended me."

I'M SO MAD AT YOU ALL. WHY CAN'T YOU GIVE ME A STEP BY STEP PROCESS OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING THAT I'M NOT SO I CAN COMPARE. WHY DON'T YOU WANNA ****ING SHARE INFORMATION. IT'S NOT HARD TO BE NICE TO SOMEONE DOWN ON THEIR LUCK ALREADY. I'M NOT EVEN ASKING YOU FOR A JOB, JUST SOME GODDAMN GUIDANCE.

To the freshmen, sophomores, juniors, hell, even seniors. START PREPARING TOFIND JOBS. If you don't want to be some unemployed **** like me, who mistakenly believed that "i'm from ADMU, everyone will want to hire me, I'm going to be ok.", then you need to start panicking. Start thinking about what you're going to do when you leave ateneo. Figure it out while we still have time because i swear to god, i have too much time now and i think I'm falling into a depression.

My only comfort is a lot of other people have to make concessions too. How many SOM grads are in Accenture. Good luck to us, struggling smart people who realized we aren't that smart in the outside world. WE all have to make tough choices.
I regret all the times I paid too much attention to the drama happening in my block, orgs, friend groups, classes because now what? I get to relive the drama in between my 40th job interview???? None of this ****ing matters like nihilism says. i just want a job at nice multinational or big company, I want health benefits for my parents, I want to make enough to put my siblings through school. I just want to sell my soul for my family's comfortable living.

If anybody reading this has any ideas, any way to explain how to get a job in the ****ing philippines that doesn't ****ing involve having an uncle somewhere, I'm open to suggestions. If you know who can give me a step by step process, I just want to talk to you for 3 hours. Please. I'm so desperate.

I wish Ateneo had a class on "how to be hire-able" because all the advice I've been using is from LSOPCS and look, where that got me. Update yourselves, please. HR I asked for comments for keep telling me that what I'm doing is so outdated and isn't relevant anymore to the new jobs and industries. I am just dying over here.

Excuse me now as I edit my resume for the 54th time. Hopefully someone offers me a job with this round.

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[CVT]

^ ^ ^ Eccentric, my dear. You normally do not broadcast that you're a Latin Honor Graduate... Where is the endearing character of being modest with your achievements?

There is strength in diversity, though......

Add: I just realized what DL means,- Dean's Lister pala... hehehe

Bakit? Ako rin Dean's Lister ha! - pero suki ako ng Office of the Dean for Campus Discipline..

Pinapatigil namin ang elevator ng SJ Bldg sa gitna at gagawa kami ng creative things,- kaya paglabas namin,- sinasalubong na kami ng ngiti ni Mang Jack!

O di ba?

[minicarph]

madami na siguro talaga galit sa Ateneo kasi naman tignan mo naman Katipunan pag sa lugar nila 3 lane lang pero pag sa Mirriam na di gano mayaman 5 lanes. ganyan magdikta ang mga anak ng mga mayayaman sa publiko at sa gobyerno. it reflects on them. sila may sarile special road.

siguro it's sending a message to all HR's out there, wag na kayo papasok ng Ateneo sa company kasi kukuhain nila lahat gamit ang talino nila later on. tapos lagi sila special treatment. katulad na lang ng nangyari sa katipunan.

[kai s.]

^Guy's got issues. Feeling nya his friends are being selfish and not giving him advice with the "IDK, they just hired me" lines -- but this is true. Minsan, ganoon lang naman talaga. You submit your CV, hopefully get an interview, and then hopefully again do well enough to get hired.

Baka may something nga talaga for him/her not to get hired after so many tries.