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[Ogs]

Lets add a discussion/topic to the mix, regarding oil catch cans? To put a breather or not, i've seen a lot of post around TIP having a breather catch can. Or modified it to have a breather.

I dont see the point of it, if in any case i dont want the vapor, to go back to the manifold, i would just condemn the line from can to the manifold. And also whether i need the can itself, can i just put a breather directly to the pcv port?




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Yes... inreresado din ako dito. May available sa blade na oil catch tank with ready breather na... gusto ko sanang mag install ng occ din at karamihan sa nagsasabi sa akin ay better daw ang may breather..

[aar0nix]

Lets add a discussion/topic to the mix, regarding oil catch cans? To put a breather or not, i've seen a lot of post around TIP having a breather catch can. Or modified it to have a breather.

I dont see the point of it, if in any case i dont want the vapor, to go back to the manifold, i would just condemn the line from can to the manifold. And also whether i need the can itself, can i just put a breather directly to the pcv port?




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Yes... inreresado din ako dito. May available sa blade na oil catch tank with ready breather na... gusto ko sanang mag install ng occ din at karamihan sa nagsasabi sa akin ay better daw ang may breather..

This has been discussed alot on internet forums already.

Don't use an OCC with a breather. Keep it as a sealed system. Let the intake pull out the vapors, the OCC filter out the oil in the vapor, and route back the air into the intake manifold. With breather OCCs will tend to make your engine spew out more oil than normal, that is not good.

Also, it's a gamble to use cheap OCCs. A good OCC has baffles inside to filter out the oil in the vapor properly. Cheap OCCs do not have baffles inside. Provent and HPD are good brands.

[bluberto]

this will not be debatable issue, because it will be still be at your own discretion whether to fully block the egr, no one is saying it is not correct

because it also depends on your driving conditions,
as for my own.. it is used as a family transport full city driving, cruisin around metro davao max 30kph,
and the last time i've been there, my nanay's speed at most 20kph, due to volume of traffic, till i drove it around central then eastern mindanao for break-in'
plausibly it will never experience a closed egr valve after that, it will always be partially or fully open,
i can't take any risks of CEL showin up, because nanay wouldnt know how to fix it, thats why i'll choose a slotted plate by the time i'll install mine.

since, you have already fully blocked the egr system
would you do a simple experiment by running it idle for 10-15mins?
because by that duration, we can confirm whether the ECU will indeed reopen the valve due to low volume of gases that comes from exhaust port?

I will try bro once i have my obd scanner next week, thanks sir aaronix for the tip din sa pagkuha ng obdscanner [emoji4]



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[bluberto]

This has been discussed alot on internet forums already.

Don't use an OCC with a breather. Keep it as a sealed system. Let the intake pull out the vapors, the OCC filter out the oil in the vapor, and route back the air into the intake manifold. With breather OCCs will tend to make your engine spew out more oil than normal, that is not good.

Also, it's a gamble to use cheap OCCs. A good OCC has baffles inside to filter out the oil in the vapor properly. Cheap OCCs do not have baffles inside. Provent and HPD are good brands.

Curious din ako kasi un occ ko walang breather.

Not sure why put a breather or if there is a need nga to maintain pressure inside, ang nababasa ko lang, hose needs to be bigger or equal to the stock size.


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[ikloyputograpi]

This has been discussed alot on internet forums already.

Don't use an OCC with a breather. Keep it as a sealed system. Let the intake pull out the vapors, the OCC filter out the oil in the vapor, and route back the air into the intake manifold. With breather OCCs will tend to make your engine spew out more oil than normal, that is not good.

Also, it's a gamble to use cheap OCCs. A good OCC has baffles inside to filter out the oil in the vapor properly. Cheap OCCs do not have baffles inside. Provent and HPD are good brands.

Yep, it should be a closed system.

Otherwise, there will be a vaccuum effect thus resulting spewing out more oil as aaronix mentioned, even running a few kms, Other posters who installed the breather are assuming that the DIY modifications they did is a good thing, but in reality it aint. But i wouldnt go for an argument because after all it will be their sole responsibility only and probably based on the article they have researched. I will just reply, it was intended for.. But nvm.. Haha..

Aside, from HPD and Provent. There is also the baffled OCC from Mishimoto. In addition to the baffle system, it has a outlet bronze micro filter, an added assurance for the vapor before going back to the intake manifold, it will seive the oil.


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[Onyx120105]

Hindi mawawala ang static noise by updating the system bro. You need to replace the whole unit thru warranty. Check well lang kasi hindi naman brand new unit ang ipapalit nila diyan kundi repaired unit din. Malamang may mga gasgas yung panels ang plastic.

I just replaced mine with an android unit.

Good day po.
First post ko po.
Hearing of static noise, i have an issue. Everytime may taxi na malapit na may vhf radio lagi na lang static sound, at full volume pa kahit zero na volume ng unit. Anybody has tcis issue.
Thanks.

[pleyz]

Yes... inreresado din ako dito. May available sa blade na oil catch tank with ready breather na... gusto ko sanang mag install ng occ din at karamihan sa nagsasabi sa akin ay better daw ang may breather..

that's d thing... I only drove my mux for two weeks... went back to work... now, I reading so much about occ & egr blanking which i really don't have an idea how it works... btw, how much Yan sir? thanks...

[Civic_Racer]

Good day po.
First post ko po.
Hearing of static noise, i have an issue. Everytime may taxi na malapit na may vhf radio lagi na lang static sound, at full volume pa kahit zero na volume ng unit. Anybody has tcis issue.
Thanks.

Naka tpms ka sir? May feedback ang vhf frequency dun.

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[Onyx120105]

available na cguro un unit mo paps, wala lang or/cr.. pag wla kasi nun, di mo pede ibyahe sasakyan mo, ang or/cr po sa lto na po yan na jurisdiction, nag-aantay lang po cguro un dealer mo kung kelan marerelease from lto un papel na un

Sa akon pinagamit nila kahit walang or/cr, meron silang "authorization" na pwedeng gamitin for a week. Renewable every week until ok na or/cr

[Onyx120105]

Naka tpms ka sir? May feedback ang vhf frequency dun.

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Negative sir. No tpms installed. This issue i think may lead to accident. Everytime this happens, feeling ko may nag sideswipe or bumangga because of static and squeeking sound in full blast. Plano kong mag record para may proof kung pupunta sa casa.

[Ogs]

Yep, it should be a closed system.

Otherwise, there will be a vaccuum effect thus resulting spewing out more oil as aaronix mentioned, even running a few kms, Other posters who installed the breather are assuming that the DIY modifications they did is a good thing, but in reality it aint. But i wouldnt go for an argument because after all it will be their sole responsibility only and probably based on the article they have researched. I will just reply, it was intended for.. But nvm.. Haha..

Aside, from HPD and Provent. There is also the baffled OCC from Mishimoto. In addition to the baffle system, it has a outlet bronze micro filter, an added assurance for the vapor before going back to the intake manifold, it will seive the oil.


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that's d thing... I only drove my mux for two weeks... went back to work... now, I reading so much about occ & egr blanking which i really don't have an idea how it works... btw, how much Yan sir? thanks...

Whew.. anung occ ang recommend nyo na brand.. kasi ung provent. Hpd ay sobrang hirap iorder and mahal... ang daming occ sa online like d1 spec. Cusco. Greedy. Pero ang alam ko sa mga ito ay mga walang breather which is good i think pero mga wala ding filter sa loob or baffle... which is recommended na dpat ay meron.... if i will buy one of this cheap icc. I need to modify it pa.

Eto na. Modification na alam ko. Pakitama po kasi di ko alam kung tama.. mag add ako ng copper tube sa line from pcv. Copper tube can be 3 inches basta lower xa sa baffle or steel wool na ilalagay sa loob. (Dpat po ba talga mas mababa sa steel wool?) baka pwedeng punuin ko na lang ng steel wool ung loob ng can. Hahahaha.

[Civic_Racer]

Sa akon pinagamit nila kahit walang or/cr, meron silang "authorization" na pwedeng gamitin for a week. Renewable every week until ok na or/cr

Alam ko sir one week lang talaga. Iniiba lang nila yung date. Para lang magamit. Pero hindi na ata uubra yung gan n. Swertihan nalang kung hinanap or/cr

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[ikloyputograpi]

Whew.. anung occ ang recommend nyo na brand.. kasi ung provent. Hpd ay sobrang hirap iorder and mahal... ang daming occ sa online like d1 spec. Cusco. Greedy. Pero ang alam ko sa mga ito ay mga walang breather which is good i think pero mga wala ding filter sa loob or baffle... which is recommended na dpat ay meron.... if i will buy one of this cheap icc. I need to modify it pa.

Eto na. Modification na alam ko. Pakitama po kasi di ko alam kung tama.. mag add ako ng copper tube sa line from pcv. Copper tube can be 3 inches basta lower xa sa baffle or steel wool na ilalagay sa loob. (Dpat po ba talga mas mababa sa steel wool?) baka pwedeng punuin ko na lang ng steel wool ung loob ng can. Hahahaha.

Para saan daw ba ung copper tube?


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[Ogs]

Para saan daw ba ung copper tube?


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Not sure pero para daw mas mababa sa baffle.

Ano ba sit ang magandang gawen

[aar0nix]

Whew.. anung occ ang recommend nyo na brand.. kasi ung provent. Hpd ay sobrang hirap iorder and mahal... ang daming occ sa online like d1 spec. Cusco. Greedy. Pero ang alam ko sa mga ito ay mga walang breather which is good i think pero mga wala ding filter sa loob or baffle... which is recommended na dpat ay meron.... if i will buy one of this cheap icc. I need to modify it pa.

Eto na. Modification na alam ko. Pakitama po kasi di ko alam kung tama.. mag add ako ng copper tube sa line from pcv. Copper tube can be 3 inches basta lower xa sa baffle or steel wool na ilalagay sa loob. (Dpat po ba talga mas mababa sa steel wool?) baka pwedeng punuin ko na lang ng steel wool ung loob ng can. Hahahaha.

Check this link. $20 Ebay Catch Can Made Better. DIY.

Kaya lang.. kesa gumawa ka pa nyan / save you from the hassle... bili ka na lang HPD or Provent. ;)

[bluberto]

Para saan daw ba ung copper tube?


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Copper tube para sa bottom part deretso un spewed oil and then metal mesh to act as a filter for air going back to vgs -> ic pipes to intake.


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[bluberto]

Check this link. $20 Ebay Catch Can Made Better. DIY.

Kaya lang.. kesa gumawa ka pa nyan / save you from the hassle... bili ka na lang HPD or Provent. ;)

Agree sir Aaronix, but at least make the price reasonable.

I'm willing o pay as much as double the price of a common occ (cusco, greddy and d1spec) which is around 1,500 right now, but not at 6-13k, parang di worth it.


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[ikloyputograpi]

Copper tube para sa bottom part deretso un spewed oil and then metal mesh to act as a filter for air going back to vgs -> ic pipes to intake.


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Noted. So thats what it does.

Why does it have to be copper tube? Would a 4mm silicone fuel line would suffice? Would it be possible also without the tube?

And regarding the mesh, i've seen someone shared on mux tip page that it get rusted and replaced it with a nylon one. Would that be fine also?

But then again, if its works, all the best and cheers [emoji6]


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[bluberto]

Noted. So thats what it does.

Why does it have to be copper tube? Would a 4mm silicone fuel line would suffice? Would it be possible also without the tube?

And regarding the mesh, i've seen someone shared on mux tip page that it get rusted and replaced it with a nylon one. Would that be fine also?

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Not sure about the whole reason behind copper tubes, I guess as long as it can withstand engine oil pressure and temp, you're good to use a silicone hose.

Some sellers of occ recommend that metal mesh, for other sellers it come as free (try speedtech) the principle maybe similar to filters of hpd and provent, you have to ensure oil is trapped in the can.

my worry about using nylon is the same re hose, if it can resist temp and pressure, otherwise u don't want parts of it getting into ur intake air.


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[ikloyputograpi]

Agree sir Aaronix, but at least make the price reasonable.

I'm willing o pay as much as double the price of a common occ (cusco, greddy and d1spec) which is around 1,500 right now, but not at 6-13k, parang di worth it.

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That's make you wonder, why do some cans are more expensive than others. Its probably engineering, research and development cost and possibly quality.

There are four cans in the market that are costly, HPD, Provent, Mishimoto and Blackworks Racing. What i have is a HPD, and would install this by mid next month returning to my roots for a quick break.

I hope I wouldnt get a reply like im willing to pay extra and etc., could still remember the first time and probably the last time i post on TIP.. Because it goes way out of hand. I just said for those who arent "confident" enough.. Then alot of people showed up, and commented bizarre things like i should have watch some videos and etc., it isnt like i didnt know how to do it, but the thing is nvm. Shut up na lang ako. Hihi. [emoji23]


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