2008 Hyundai Starex (Gen. 4)

[lui]

I hope our friend Lui is feeding back these conversations to his bosses at HARI. Ganito pa lang kaaga and puro disappointed-sounding na ang mga feedback dito ah.

nku sir sinasbi ko nga na ayusin kahit ung upuan lang muna. ewan ko ba.

[lui]

nku dami na tlaga disappointed dito sa grand starex namen.... siguro in time ilalabas din ung mga features na gusto nating mga taga tsikot. anyway kung gusto nyo nman ng van tapos flexible pwede din ung APV. kahit 2 pa po katumbas lang ng isang grans starex crdi

[pup2]

Pati yung carnival stripped down version ang nandito -- kulang nga airbags kahit mas mataas ang presyo dito -- wala pang support.

Parang mas OK pa bumili ng 2 kotse ngayon kesa mag van.

[xTrememan]

carnival ok lang naman eh... moonroof and other saftey features lang naman kulang... pero kung carnival lang naman... grand starex nalang ako. hehe! pero kung walang revised version, WAG NA LANG! hehe...

[kokey]

carnival ok lang naman eh... moonroof and other saftey features lang naman kulang... pero kung carnival lang naman... grand starex nalang ako. hehe! pero kung walang revised version, WAG NA LANG! hehe...

xTrememan, wait mo na lang Gen. 5 na STAREX.

[pup2]

Yah. They might come out with it ... in another 10 years!

I wouldn't put 'lang' and 'safety features' in the same sentence ...

[xTrememan]

xTrememan, wait mo na lang Gen. 5 na STAREX.

Baka yung Gen 5 na Starex wala nang airbags, disc breaks, ABS, tsaka 5 seater nalang... hahaha! LOLZ! Nagagandahan ako sa bagong Rexton 2... halos magkasing price lang yung Grand Starex Gold tsaka top of the line ng rexton II... ganda pa ng features! Guys what do you think? Hehe!

Kokey ano ok kaya yun?

[papalord]

What is the big difference between Innova and starex with reference to their specs below. Seems like Starex has the edge over Innova since it has higher classification of performance esp. DSL to DSL.
Ano kaya reason ng Toyota kung bakit mas mababa output ng Innova compared to its predecessors.

Innova 2.5 D4D DSL

Engine 2.5 DOHC 16V I4 2.5 DOHC 16V I4 2.5 DOHC 16V I4 2.5 DOHC 16V I4
Maximum Output (bhp * rpm) 102 * 3600 102 * 3600 102 * 3600 102 * 3600
Maximum Torque (Nm * rpm) 260 * 1600-2400 200 * 1400-3200 (MT)
260 * 1600-2400 (AT) 200 * 1400-3200 (MT)
260 * 1600-2400 (AT) 200 * 1400-3200
Fuel Type / Recom. Octane Diesel Diesel Diesel Diesel
Fuel System / Aspiration Common Rail / T Common Rail / T Common Rail / T Common Rail / T
Fuel Mileage (km/L) -- 11.27 (AT, test) -- --
Transmission 4-speed AT 5-speed MT
4-speed AT 5-speed MT
4-speed AT 5-speed MT

Innova 2.0 VVTI Gas

Engine 2.0 DOHC 16V I4 2.0 DOHC 16V I4 2.0 DOHC 16V I4
Maximum Output (bhp * rpm) 136 * 5600 136 * 5600 136 * 5600
Maximum Torque (Nm * rpm) 182 * 4000 182 * 4000 182 * 4000
Fuel Type / Recom. Octane Gasoline / 93~ Gasoline / 93~ Gasoline / 93~
Fuel System / Aspiration VVTi, EFI / NA VVTi, EFI / NA VVTi, EFI / NA
Fuel Mileage (km/L) 8.00 (AT, test) 8.82 (MT, test) --
Transmission 4-speed AT 5-speed MT
4-speed AT 5-speed MT

Starex DSL

Engine 2.5 SOHC 8V I4 2.5 SOHC 8V I4 2.5 SOHC 8V I4
Maximum Output (bhp * rpm) 85 * 4000 85 * 4000 85 * 4000
Maximum Torque (Nm * rpm) 170 * 2200 170 * 2200 170 * 2200
Fuel Type / Recom. Octane Diesel Diesel Diesel
Fuel System / Aspiration MFI / T MFI / T MFI / T
Fuel Mileage (km/L) -- 6.23 (AT, test) --
Transmission 4-speed AT 5-speed MT
4-speed AT 5-speed MT

[isketi]

I wouldn't put 'lang' and 'safety features' in the same sentence ...

Safety features lang pala, no big deal.

[IMm29]

alam niyo, alam ko na kung bakit napakaoverpriced ng Grand Starex.. it's because of the TCI variants... hindi ko alam bakit nirelease ng HARI TCI variants dito eh Isuzu na lang yata nagbebenta dito ng non-CRDi engine (Crosswind) aside from HARI.. eh ang nearest competitor ng Grand Starex , Innova at Hiace, puro nakaCRDi engine...

Well, baka naman kung wala yung TCI variants, ganun pa din kataas yung CRDI variants, lalong nawalan sila nang pwedeng ibenta...

I've a feeling they retained the TCI's so that they could compete with the lower ranged, well relatively lower ranged, vans. Despite having a D-4D powerplant, the Innova/Hiace engine produces 102hp/260Nm torque while the Grand Starex's TCI produces 101hp/232Nm torque.

[CVT]

Well, baka naman kung wala yung TCI variants, ganun pa din kataas yung CRDI variants, lalong nawalan sila nang pwedeng ibenta...

I've a feeling they retained the TCI's so that they could compete with the lower ranged, well relatively lower ranged, vans. Despite having a D-4D powerplant, the Innova/Hiace engine produces 102hp/260Nm torque while the Grand Starex's TCI produces 101hp/232Nm torque.

Agree here... Mahal nga lang talaga....

OT: Bro.,- just curious,- have to tied "it"? I'd recommend the experience...

4606:rock:

[isketi]

alam niyo, alam ko na kung bakit napakaoverpriced ng Grand Starex.. it's because of the TCI variants... hindi ko alam bakit nirelease ng HARI TCI variants dito eh Isuzu na lang yata nagbebenta dito ng non-CRDi engine (Crosswind) aside from HARI.. eh ang nearest competitor ng Grand Starex , Innova at Hiace, puro nakaCRDi engine...

Well, baka naman kung wala yung TCI variants, ganun pa din kataas yung CRDI variants, lalong nawalan sila nang pwedeng ibenta...

I've a feeling they retained the TCI's so that they could compete with the lower ranged, well relatively lower ranged, vans. Despite having a D-4D powerplant, the Innova/Hiace engine produces 102hp/260Nm torque while the Grand Starex's TCI produces 101hp/232Nm torque.

I agree. Yung mga Grand Starex sa Standout puro CRDi pero halos di nagkakalayo ang mga presyo nila sa CRDi units ng HARI.

[isketi]

Even the SAs, who I was conversing with a few days ago could only shake their heads in utter disbelief on their marketing and pricing schemes... Kung sila napapailing na,- tayong bibili, ano pa kaya?....

Who wouldn't? Especially when the numerous feedbacks they're getting from their current customers are more of shock, frustration and disappointment.... (isa ako roon......)...

Again, they're deep into this strategy. I wonder how they'll pull themselves out of this pit....

Ang naisip ko lang na paraan para bumaba yung presyo ng Grand Starex ay kung gawin nilang CKD to gaya ng ginawa ng Nissan sa Urvan Estate nila. Kaso, ala naman atang assembly plant ang Hyundai dito.

[snowbound]

IMO, its really overpriced vis-a-vis its specs. if its 3.0 CRDI, then their price is bearable.

[IMm29]

OT: Bro.,- just curious,- have to tied "it"? I'd recommend the experience...

4606:rock:

Say again, Bro? Sorry, di ko nasundan. Hehe!

[ronw123w124]

I was in Shangrila mall last sunday and saw HARI's Grand Starex unit on display. It was a GLS CRDI M/T 10 seater unit. This time I paid attention to the tailgate and was really disappointed to see that the provision for the 3rd brake light was covered with a painted plastic part in place of the 3rd brake light and the rear wiper was nowhere to be found. Does it really cost that much to include the 3rd brake light and the rear wipers? I don't think that adding these 2 items will make the Grand Starex unprofitable for HARI.

[IMm29]

I was in Shangrila mall last sunday and saw HARI's Grand Starex unit on display. It was a GLS CRDI M/T 10 seater unit. This time I paid attention to the tailgate and was really disappointed to see that the provision for the 3rd brake light was covered with a painted plastic part in place of the 3rd brake light and the rear wiper was nowhere to be found. Does it really cost that much to include the 3rd brake light and the rear wipers? I don't think that adding these 2 items will make the Grand Starex unprofitable for HARI.

Daig pa nga sila ng J at E na Innova. Wala ngang defogger tong 2 to, pero may wiper.

[IMm29]

Well I voted with my wallet. Cancelled my order (see my post in the Carnival vs Starex thread) when the sales agent couldnt give me the color I wanted after waiting for a month and a half.

I am not dissing the van. Its a good van with an excellent engine (if you get the CRDi variant). Im just majorly disappointed with the accessories and trim level of the variants they offer here. I just dont see the 'value for money' which a Starex SHOULD represent. HARI is doing its legacy here in the Philippines a disservice by selling us poorly spec'd models. I can live without power doors, power tailgates and power rear windows (strange for manual windows in a P1.5m van --- the TCI model doesnt even have rear windows that you can open). But I cannot live without the ability to configure your seats and cargo area in a VAN whose legendary reputation was built on that kind of flexibility. The last straw really was the lack of rear visibility SAFETY features that should be standard.

I hope HARI is listening to this board, maybe future owners of Grand Starex TCI and CRDi will get better features in 2008 or 2009 model facelifts. But as for me, I refuse to be a guinea pig.

Way to go EQAddict. HARI apparently forgot about the Starex's "seat anyone, load anything" flexibility. Though you get a "new" and "grand" Starex with the Gen 4, getting the lower models makes you feel shortchanged, while getting the top of the line models makes your wallet hurt, and still somehow feel shortchanged.

So I'm guessing you went with the other van in that comparison thread?

[CVT]

Say again, Bro? Sorry, di ko nasundan. Hehe!

OT: Whew! I have not realized it bro., until you pointed it out to me.....

Sobra rin kasi akong mabilis mag-type....

4606:rock:

[CVT]

IMm29, aye thanks for the encouragement. If HARI is listening at all, future owners will reap the benefits of all our complaints Sadly, I cant wait 1 or 2 years for them to offer the stuff we want.


(Medyo O/T) : Yes, I got the LWB Grand Carnival instead .

From the other thread to this thread..... Congratulations EQAddict!

4606:rock: