Second Gen. Honda Jazz/Fit

[paolorenzo]

Yes, we know they have the same steering wheel, but does that mean that there are audio controls? So you're confirming that the Jazz steering wheel includes audio controls?

Sana nga...

[tidus1203]

Only the top of the line.

[paolorenzo]

Only the top of the line.

Got a definitive answer from an HCP officer (same guy interviewed by Top Gear Phil for the Jazz article in their August issue). The Jazz steering wheel does NOT have any audio controls. :cry2: He's asked to have the online pictures corrected daw.

[Chadmack]

Got a definitive answer from an HCP officer (same guy interviewed by Top Gear Phil for the Jazz article in their August issue). The Jazz steering wheel does NOT have any audio controls. :cry2: He's asked to have the online pictures corrected daw.

corrected na nga . . .

[tidus1203]

Then I stand corrected. Kala ko meron, baka sa ibang country yun...

[paolorenzo]

Just came back from Honda Cars Pasig, where the Cerulean Blue Metallic 1.5L V A/T is on display. Ganda talaga. It feels so luxurious inside. I even like it better than the Civic FD (just a personal preferrence, no offense intended to Civic owners).

Galeng nung ULT seats, better than the old one. The paddle shifters are cool. Totally refined.

It'll be in the Pasig showroom until Sunday, September 7. If you're in the market for a new compact car, it's definitely worth a look.

[Chadmack]

Just came back from Honda Cars Pasig, where the Cerulean Blue Metallic 1.5L V A/T is on display. Ganda talaga. It feels so luxurious inside. I even like it better than the Civic FD (just a personal preferrence, no offense intended to Civic owners).

Galeng nung ULT seats, better than the old one. The paddle shifters are cool. Totally refined.

It'll be in the Pasig showroom until Sunday, September 7. If you're in the market for a new compact car, it's definitely worth a look.

Pao, nakapagtest drive ka ba?

[paolorenzo]

Pao, nakapagtest drive ka ba?

No test drive unit available. Mahirap yata mag-tiyempo ng test drive sa Jazz. I did leave my number, and the SA at Honda Pasig said they'll give me a call kung meron available unit for test drive.

Sobrang confused ako ngayon if I should pull the trigger on the Jazz. Out of budget kasi, so malaki ang cash out.

[Chadmack]

No test drive unit available. Mahirap yata mag-tiyempo ng test drive sa Jazz. I did leave my number, and the SA at Honda Pasig said they'll give me a call kung meron available unit for test drive.

Sobrang confused ako ngayon if I should pull the trigger on the Jazz. Out of budget kasi, so malaki ang cash out.

yeah i should say, malaki nga talagang pera ang involved. akin nga 3years in the making :D LOL

pero im sure something will come up at maliliwanagan din kung ano ba talaga.

[ryan]

Just came back from Honda Cars Pasig, where the Cerulean Blue Metallic 1.5L V A/T is on display. Ganda talaga. It feels so luxurious inside. I even like it better than the Civic FD (just a personal preferrence, no offense intended to Civic owners).

Galeng nung ULT seats, better than the old one. The paddle shifters are cool. Totally refined.

I have to agree! New Jazz may be more expensive compared to its competitors but definitely feels much more upmarket.

[ale828]

the new jazz is expensive but so was the 1st gen jazz when it first came out in 2004. The top of the line model in 2004 was a 1.3 idsi cvt with airbags and abs and was only 70k or 80K less than the base Civic which was M/T and no airbags and ABS. Everyone was complaining that it was expensive, and why but it when you can add a little you can get a base civic. But look at it now. people are scouring the 2nd hand market to find one. The Civic and the Jazz are to different car for different target markets. the city and the civic are more on the same level market.

[dan88888]

Here's my own view why i think this car (2nd. Gen Honda Jazz/FIt) is pricey....


1. Imported Car:
1-1: Transport cost fm. Thailand to Philippines. (remember City & Civic is Assembled in HC PhilIppines!)
1-2: (pre AFTA) Tax to imported CBU.

2. Design itself: There are other aspects of the Car that Costs money - other than the Engine...
2-1: Ultra Seats: this alone Costs some serious dough...the One-Touch Dive Down seats
is going to cost way more money than the Civic's Fixed seats!

i will have to agree and disagree with some points.

the seats and other accesories will cost money, but it doesnt cost much, these features like 60/40 seats are also availble in other small cars.
these should not cost that much in terms of real cost of material.

[SIZE=3][/SIZE]

2-2: Vehicle Information Display: this car is equipped with Trip computer as well as
Instant and Average Fuel Consumption that you don't get in the Civic. Hey this one is not Free of Charge...

they features are nice,suited for the Fc conscious people.

2-3: Temperature Sensor / Display: this one also cost some money....
2-4: winker on the Side Mirror.
2-5: auto retract / powered Side mirrors (these are not available on any of the 1.8V/S)
2-6: Paddle Shifter, also costs money! (these are not available on any of the 1.8V/S. only for the Auto 2.0li model)

u mentioned the features of the jazz but u didnt mention what the lowest level civic has-it has better dash board.its a bigger car,bigger car means safer car.that dashboard alone i think will cost more than those features that u mentioned or at least the same.
2-6: Comparing Jazz 1.5V (5A/T) vs. Civic 1.8V (5MT w/o Airbag) is a moot point because of
differing class & equipment level....

i have to disagree with u on this, it is precisely it is on a different class/level thats why their prices should not be close. jazz is small car and the other is medium car.
the top end of jazz is just too expensive with only those features.the lowest end of jazz is also not worth it for that amount.the bottom line is if they would charge those amount, then it would have to have more features, not just those currently featured.

so if u value more on ENGINE performance, then better get the Civic!





about:
>>-vtec-more power=more Fuel consumption vs idsi
actually Japan MITI's rating of the old 1.3iDsi vs. new 1.3i-Vtec both using CVT . show's a rating of 24km/li.
Though its dis-appointing they were not able to improve it (like what they did for the FD Civic), in reality its the same.


well its nice to hear that, bottom line is FC.
And about your SA's explanation why CVT was dropped, its not because it will cost more (i think that's how they were
Oriented how to answer by HCPI) its because Honda doesn't want a repeat of the same problem with old way...
i think that is also their alibi.as i said they can have cvt in the old city with that price,why not include it here?

that is
introducing New Unproven technology in the market outside of Japan. Also the new 5A/T loses some in Fuel Efficiency
department, at least its proven to be more reliable than the CVT.....esp. the new variant in JDM's CVT + Torque Converter....
those are New Unproven technology that may bring harm to Honda's reputation if things are not Done Right!.

u are saying the cvt is not reliable? after reading some threads on tsikot,it seems there were some problems,and its scary, CVT trans cost 285k.wow.
but it is more unrealible compared to the traditional AT? it needs more maintenance though.i dont know how much traditional AT cost, but i think it wont be far.



And your Comment on the new "Altis" having an old engine....(correct me if i'm wrong) i know Toyota has upgraded it
as it now has Variable Valve Timing control for Both Intake & Exhaust side.... the previous one also have for INTAKE side...
and its actually quite Fuel Efficient. and please read thru "http://www.canadiandriver.com/" 50 liter challenge.
the New Corolla (Altis for South east asia...) 1.8li + (antiquated) 4A/T was more fuel efficient than the Civic's 1.8li + 5MT! UNBELIEVABLE!
I think other than (Engine/Gearing) Weight of the car, Rolling Resistance , Aerodynamic Drag play a key role in Fuel Consumption!

the info that i got is our Asian version of the altis uses the old vvti.
maybe u are right, the north american corolla should have better FC bec they are using the newer VVTI from toyota.

bottom line here is the Jazz is a nice car, no doubt,its just when u start to compare in detail the features for that price vs other cars of the same category or even their own lowest end civic,it just doesnt seem right. it seems they are jacking up the price not bec of those features but bec of what price they want to sell and it has nothing to do with the features.

[innovafan2]

I'm fond of reading threads about your views on cars. btw, am putting here a rough comparison between Civic and Jazz in terms of total fuel expenditures in 5 years based on a hypothetical city driving FC (11km/Ltr for Civic and 18km/Ltr for Jazz), average daily trips of 30Km & 50km at 26days of travel every month. Of course, these data are purely theoretical (and for some, inaccurate) and should be treated as plain and simple statistics.

Still, i find it interesting to note that decisions on buying a premium priced compact car must be based only on benefits gained from lesser fuel consumption. For daily long distance travellers, it makes sense to use a compact car. But, why not buy a full size sedan if you are not going to use it everyday or if driven only at short distances? The advantages of a full size sedan should not be compromised unless, of course, when your budget prohibits you or you really dont need a bigger car. Sorry if out of topic itong comment ko.

[innovafan2]

I'm fond of reading threads about your views on cars. btw, am putting here a rough comparison between Civic and Jazz in terms of total fuel expenditures in 5 years based on a hypothetical city driving FC (11km/Ltr for Civic and 18km/Ltr for Jazz), average daily trips of 30Km & 50km at 26days of travel every month. Of course, these data are purely theoretical (and for some, inaccurate) and should be treated as plain and simple statistics.

Still, i find it interesting to note that decisions on buying a premium priced compact car must be based only on benefits gained from lesser fuel consumption. For daily long distance travellers, it makes sense to use a compact car. But, why not buy a full size sedan if you are not going to use it everyday or if driven only at short distances? The advantages of a full size sedan should not be compromised unless, of course, when your budget prohibits you or you really dont need a bigger car. Sorry if out of topic itong comment ko.

Theoretical Fuel Expenses in Peso for 5 Years (30Km Dist / day)

...Gas Cost /KM / Cost / Daily/ Cost / No. of /Cost / Cost / Cost In
...Per Liter/ Liter / KM / KM / Day /Days /Month /Year/ 5 Years
Civic-- /55.00/ 11 /5.00 /30 /150.00/ 26/ 3,900/ 46,800/ 234,000
Jazz--- /55.00/ 18 /3.06/ 30/ 91.67/ 26 /2,383/ 28,600/ 143,000
Difference ....................../58.33.........../ 1,517/ 18,200/ 91,000

Theoretical Fuel Expenses in Peso for 5 Years (50Km Dist / day)

...Gas Cost../ KM / Cost / Daily/ Cost / No. of/ Cost / Cost / Cost In
...Per Liter... /Liter./ KM /KM /Day /Days /Month /Year /5 Years
Civic-- 55.00/ 11/ 5.00/ 50/ 250.00/ 26/ 6,500/ 78,000/ 390,000
Jazz--- 55.00/ 18/ 3.06/ 50/ 152.78/ 26/ 3,972/ 47,667/ /238,333
Difference......................../ 97.22........../ 2,528/ 30,333/ 151,667

..so sorry, dont know how to post excel chart..

[peejabi]

Konting tulog na lang. My SA told me that the new jazz units will probably be here by the last week of september.

minamadali nila dahil naka-pull out na raw yung mga city so nahihirapan sila sa sales nila ngayon dahil walang jazz and city.

[Chadmack]

Konting tulog na lang. My SA told me that the new jazz units will probably be here by the last week of september.

minamadali nila dahil naka-pull out na raw yung mga city so nahihirapan sila sa sales nila ngayon dahil walang jazz and city.

konteng tulog na lang nga :D

[parakitoJDM]

to ser EQAddict,
may commitment na ba yung SA mo around kelan mare-release? how about cost of accessories like Foglights, Cargo cover may idea na? any freebies fm. the dealer? pasensya na po sa madaming katanungan.

[Chadmack]

mag-end na ng september.... dapat na pala makamusta yung SA kung kelan na talaga release. parakito, yan din gusto ko nga malaman at magpapalagay ako ng foglights at kung meron pang ibang matipuhan. once i know them all, ill post it here...

[peejabi]

sana talaga this week na! para makuha ko yung blue jazz in time for the ateneo-dlsu finals. hahaha.

sana may spoiler din aside from the foglamps

[marv0083]

Guys parang luge pag binili mo yung 1.3s MT vs the 1.5v AT

90k lang difference tapos ang daming na dagdag I hope the 1.3s Mt will be priced lower

Im looking for a car that can save me more on GAS. I'm eyeing a vehicle that can do a 15 to 20km per liter, because right now I'm at 6 to 8km/liter with my Mz3 2.0! What is the estimated FC for 1.3 ivtec and 1.5 ivtec of the Jazz?