The All New Ford Eco-Sport

[Egan101]

ok so the manual says that the ecosport needs WSS-M2C913-C oil. a quick google search reveals several brands of semi-synth and full-synth that conform to ford's spec.

this engine is just a plain-vanilla run-of-the-mill 1.5L. not a high-compression EcoBoost or something. it really doesn't need full-synth, right? why can't we just use some off-the-shelf API SJ/SM/whatever

Most new engines (NA or turbo) require low-viscosity fully synthetic engine oils. It is common for manufacturers to suggest in the manual to use 5w30 API SN or 5w40 API SN in case 5w30 is not available. Some other manufacturers, like Honda, have started using 0w20. For Ecoboost engines, Ford is recommending 5w20 though 5w30 can be used as an alternative.

[yobyalp]

Yeah good luck indeed! There is a popular FB page called Screwed by FORD Philippines look for it. Its not that FGP is very customer friendly too. Pahirapan pa yan. Lawsuits pa if needed.

Just avoid any Ford vehicle with a dual clutch transmission. Those are bad news.

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thanks

[Vodka]

Most new engines (NA or turbo) require low-viscosity fully synthetic engine oils. It is common for manufacturers to suggest in the manual to use 5w30 API SN or 5w40 API SN in case 5w30 is not available. Some other manufacturers, like Honda, have started using 0w20. For Ecoboost engines, Ford is recommending 5w20 though 5w30 can be used as an alternative.

dude. what's this nonsense? Ford WSS-M2C913-C oils come in both semi-synth and full-synth

so don't tell me WSS-M2C913-C REQUIRES full-synthetic

apparently Ford PH isn't stocking semi-synth WSS-M2C913-C oils so you're forced to use full-synth

ford PH sucks!

[Egan101]

dude. what's this nonsense? Ford WSS-M2C913-C oils come in both semi-synth and full-synth

so don't tell me WSS-M2C913-C REQUIRES full-synthetic

apparently Ford PH isn't stocking semi-synth WSS-M2C913-C oils so you're forced to use full-synth

ford PH sucks!

Local Ford casas don't even try to source engine oils as per the manual. They use something that meets the alternate option of the engines they service locally. For 2 years, I had to specify that they use 5w30 oil on Fiesta Ecoboost as they don't have the recommended 5w20 oil. Sadly, most Ford casas only offer Shell Helix Ultra 5w30/5w40 or Motul 5w40 fully synthetic oil.

You can always source your fluids outside the casa as long as it meets the requirement in your car''s manual. If you opt for semi-synthetic oil, that will be fine. The problem is most casas don't allow you to bring your own fluids. Now, I have my oil change at a nearby shop that caters to Ford vehicles and they carry Ford-Motorcraft fluids. I use the Ford-Motorcraft 5w30 API SN fully-synthetic oil for my Fiesta and it is priced a lot cheaper than the rate Ford casas charge me per liter of oil.

[Vodka]

Local Ford casas don't even try to source engine oils as per the manual. They use something that meets the alternate option of the engines they service locally. For 2 years, I had to specify that they use 5w30 oil on Fiesta Ecoboost as they don't have the recommended 5w20 oil. Sadly, most Ford casas only offer Shell Helix Ultra 5w30/5w40 or Motul 5w40 fully synthetic oil.

You can always source your fluids outside the casa as long as it meets the requirement in your car''s manual. If you opt for semi-synthetic oil, that will be fine. The problem is most casas don't allow you to bring your own fluids. Now, I have my oil change at a nearby shop that caters to Ford vehicles and they carry Ford-Motorcraft fluids. I use the Ford-Motorcraft 5w30 API SN fully-synthetic oil for my Fiesta and it is priced a lot cheaper than the rate Ford casas charge me per liter of oil.

thanks dude. but WTF! they themselves don't even use the required oil

i'm pretty sure that their specific variants of Shell Helix Ultra 5w30/5w40 or Motul 5w40 fully synthetic oil don't SPECIFICALLY meet WSS-M2C913-C

good thing this is my sis's car. i was planning to buy too and her car's the guinea pig LOL. but after all the shenanigans theres ABSOLUTELY no way i'll be putting up w/ this BS from ford PH. ford PH if you're reading this, you suck, i won't buy your cars

i can't wait for the cheaper electric cars to come. no need to deal w/ motor oils and constant maintenance

[Egan101]

thanks dude. but WTF! they themselves don't even use the required oil

i'm pretty sure that their specific variants of Shell Helix Ultra 5w30/5w40 or Motul 5w40 fully synthetic oil don't SPECIFICALLY meet WSS-M2C913-C

Based on most online discussion groups, those Ford oil specifications are met by most API SN engine oils. Shell Helix Ultra is quite good. Most casas use it so I guess it meets a lot of manufacturers' oil requirements. Fully synthetic API SN oils are priced around 400-500 per liter unlike in the casas where they charge you 600 per liter.

I would suggest though that you stick with fully synthetic oil as its life is longer (6+ months) than regular or semi-synthetic oil (3-4 months). Some fully synthetic oils are even good for 12 months, like those used by Euro manufacturers. If you have the time to change oil every 3-4 months, then semi-synthetic will just be fine.

[dreamur]

PMS now is every 10k so I am assuming they are using fully synthetic oil.

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[Vodka]

Based on most online discussion groups, those Ford oil specifications are met by most API SN engine oils. Shell Helix Ultra is quite good. Most casas use it so I guess it meets a lot of manufacturers' oil requirements. Fully synthetic API SN oils are priced around 400-500 per liter unlike in the casas where they charge you 600 per liter.

I would suggest though that you stick with fully synthetic oil as its life is longer (6+ months) than regular or semi-synthetic oil (3-4 months). Some fully synthetic oils are even good for 12 months, like those used by Euro manufacturers. If you have the time to change oil every 3-4 months, then semi-synthetic will just be fine.

funny you mentioned API SN, i just just changed the oil at honda last week. API SN dino juice. P1095 all-in (labor & filter included).

again, API SN doesn't require full-synth. Honda doesn't require you to use full-synth and their PMS interval is 6mo or 10k kms

that is a common misconception. mineral oil is perfectly fine for 6mo/10k kms

[Vodka]

PMS now is every 10k so I am assuming they are using fully synthetic oil.

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here's another one promulgating the wrong idea

10,000 kms or 6months, whichever comes first, is perfectly fine when using mineral oil (dino juice!). under NORMAL driving conditions. not SEVERE. i don't drive in the hell hole that's metro manila

just look it up in the manual. under NORMAL. it'll specify an API rating and recommended viscosity. full-synth not required!

[dreamur]

here's another one promulgating the wrong idea

10,000 kms or 6months, whichever comes first, is perfectly fine when using mineral oil (dino juice!). under NORMAL driving conditions. not SEVERE. i don't drive in the hell hole that's metro manila

just look it up in the manual. under NORMAL. it'll specify an API rating and recommended viscosity. full-synth not required!

So what is wronf if I have the money to burn and opt for the fully synthetic version?

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[Vodka]

So what is wronf if I have the money to burn and opt for the fully synthetic version?

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there's nothing wrong w/ you. just your idea that dino juice is no good for 10k kms

[StockEngine]

i'm pretty sure that their specific variants of Shell Helix Ultra 5w30/5w40 or Motul 5w40 fully synthetic oil don't SPECIFICALLY meet WSS-M2C913-C

shu 5w30 probably meets and exceeds m2c913-c

its a licensing cost issue. fordph will buy a variant of shell helix ultra that is cheaper yet will provide protection during the warranty period.

Its one of the best oils i know and use.


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[Vodka]

shu 5w30 probably meets and exceeds m2c913-c

its a licensing cost issue. fordpg will buy a variant of shell helix ultra that is cheaper yet will provide protection during the warranty period.

Its one of the best oils i know and use.


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yep i know that. but the point is that ford is preventing you from using mineral oil. when you ask them why, they tell you than Ecosport needs a motor oil that conforms to WSS-M2C913-C

but then the motor oil they use doesn't even conform to WSS-M2C913-C

that's what ticks me off. it's a cash grab

[Egan101]

funny you mentioned API SN, i just just changed the oil at honda last week. API SN dino juice. P1095 all-in (labor & filter included).

again, API SN doesn't require full-synth. Honda doesn't require you to use full-synth and their PMS interval is 6mo or 10k kms

that is a common misconception. mineral oil is perfectly fine for 6mo/10k kms

For what Honda vehicle? I guess you opted for their regular 10w30 oil. It's good that they didn't up-sell you to use their fully synthetic 0w20 oil as it is the one they use now in place of the old VTEC-LEV 5w40 fully-synthetic oil.

I guess you will be forced to use fully synthetic oil if the suggested lubricant viscosity in your owner's manual does not have a regular or semi-synthetic equivalent. In the case of 0w20, 5w20, and 5w30 viscosities, most of them are fully synthetic. I think you can use the 5w40 semi-synthetic as an alternative as long as your manual states it can be used for your engine. Most regular or mineral oils come in 15w40 or 20w50 viscosity which is quite thick already for most new engines.

[Vodka]

For what Honda vehicle? I guess you opted for their regular 10w30 oil. It's good that they didn't up-sell you to use their fully synthetic 0w20 oil as it is the one they use now in place of the old VTEC-LEV 5w40 fully-synthetic oil.

I guess you will be forced to use fully synthetic oil if the suggested lubricant viscosity in your owner's manual does not have a regular or semi-synthetic equivalent. In the case of 0w20, 5w20, and 5w30 viscosities, most of them are fully synthetic. I think you can use the 5w40 semi-synthetic as an alternative as long as your manual states it can be used for your engine. Most regular or mineral oils come in 15w40 or 20w50 viscosity which is quite thick already for most new engines.

it's a City. same class of engine as the Ecosport. i.e. nothing special. no turbos. no alien or future tech that requires the benefits of full synth

so it's easy to draw comparisons between the Honda and the Ecosport. honda stocks the dino juice and it's there if you opt for it. but of course they try to upsell, too! LOL

[dreamur]

there's nothing wrong w/ you. just your idea that dino juice is no good for 10k kms

I did not say that. If you read back, I said that ford is doing PMS every 10K and I was assuming they are using fully synthetic engine oil. Nowhere did I mention that mineral oil is no good.

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[Egan101]

it's a City. same class of engine as the Ecosport. i.e. nothing special. no turbos. no alien or future tech that requires the benefits of full synth

so it's easy to draw comparisons between the Honda and the Ecosport. honda stocks the dino juice and it's there if you opt for it. but of course they try to upsell, too! LOL

Honda's small engines (L13/L15) are not so picky with fluids and fuel type. You cannot compare engines from different manufacturers even if they have similar displacements. If you're so pissed with Ford, sell that Ecosport and buy a BRV (same engine as the City). I would have suggested the HRV but its 1.8L engine (shared with the Civic) would have a different oil requirement.

We had a previous gen City and Jazz before. I opted to use fully synthetic oils on them as they are daily-driven cars. I have observed that lower viscosity engines are quite good for lubrication in hellish traffic conditions in Metro Manila. I used 5w40 Shell semi-synthetic on my old Accord before but I change oils every 5k km. I did try to use higher viscosity regular oil but the engine is not as responsive as when using 5w40 or 10w40 semi-synthetic oils.

Now, going back to Ford's specifications. If it is indicated to use 5w30 or 5w40 engine oil on it, then stick to it just for heaven's sake of not voiding the warranty. If it means having to buy fully synthetic oil as there is no regular oil with such a viscosity, then we have to meet the recommendations of the manual.

[dreamur]

Honda's small engines (L13/L15) are not so picky with fluids and fuel type. You cannot compare engines from different manufacturers even if they have similar displacements. If you're so pissed with Ford, sell that Ecosport and buy a BRV (same engine as the City). I would have suggested the HRV but its 1.8L engine (shared with the Civic) would have a different oil requirement.

We had a previous gen City and Jazz before. I opted to use fully synthetic oils on them as they are daily-driven cars. I have observed that lower viscosity engines are quite good for lubrication in hellish traffic conditions in Metro Manila. I used 5w40 Shell semi-synthetic on my old Accord before but I change oils every 5k km. I did try to use higher viscosity regular oil but the engine is not as responsive as when using 5w40 or 10w40 semi-synthetic oils.

Now, going back to Ford's specifications. If it is indicated to use 5w30 or 5w40 engine oil on it, then stick to it just for heaven's sake of not voiding the warranty. If it means having to buy fully synthetic oil as there is no regular oil with such a viscosity, then we have to meet the recommendations of the manual.

Good point!

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[Vodka]

Honda's small engines (L13/L15) are not so picky with fluids and fuel type. You cannot compare engines from different manufacturers even if they have similar displacements..

you're kidding, right? of course the Honda engines aren't picky. have you ever seen a typical small economy car engine that requires a special engine oil? or as you put it, "picky with fluids"? we're talking about "normal" engines here. no turbo/supercharger, fancy tech, etc

just open your typical vios, corolla, jazz, city, civic, owner's manuals and they'll state the recommended oil. it's API xx in the recommended viscosity

ford fiesta takes API SN. so pls don't say that Ecosport is "picky" with engine oil

[Egan101]

^^^ I guess you missed my point, sir. What I am merely saying is that we follow what is recommended in the owner's manual. In the case of Ford engines, they require a certain viscosity along with other regulatory specifications. The same also with my experience with Subaru. It is just disappointing that most low viscosity engine oils are only available in fully synthetic form. If a cheaper semi-synthetic option is available, that is a welcome thing for owners.

With regards to Honda's L engines being not picky with engine oils, it can use various viscosities ranging from 0w20 to 10w40, either in fully synthetic or semi-synthetic or mineral form. The Honda R, K, and J engines may have different oil viscosity requirements as opposed to the smaller L engines. I guess Honda only requires their own fluids for tranny and power steering (for older vehicles).