Remote bypass oil filtration

[crazy_boy]

see you tom din sir crazy_boy... ill give you a free material on lubricants so you can really decide whats best for you.. hehe..

do you have free stickers? haha!


BTT: alidiego, - sir, i suggest replace your oil filter as well. it is suggested to replace it everytime you change oil.

[MrQ5]

see you tom din sir crazy_boy... ill give you a free material on lubricants so you can really decide whats best for you.. hehe..

ano ba bibilin ni crazy? baka pede din free oil talaga?

[MrQ5]

parang may nabasa ako sa Petron NLEX southbound near restrooms, sa may wall different lubricants if im not mistaken one lubricants there a TBN of 20 i think its for locomotive train, may naka try na kaya nito?

[miko101130]

ano ba bibilin ni crazy? baka pede din free oil talaga?

ZIC A bibilin nyan.. hahaha.. hindi naman free yung oils.. yun technical papers lang..hehe

[dvldoc]

This is a prime example of what I mean about newer oil being total crap. (thank you EPA)

This oil has around 50/50 of the ZDDP it had just 7 years ago so that's 50% less friction protection. Now they try to make up for it with moly but there is only so much moly can do, Nothing beats ZDDP.

This oil was ran 8500 miles / 13500klm all test are on the same oil. which is SN rated. Also notice the TBN at this mileage it's down to 1. You can run Mobil Delvac that same distance on a diesel and it will still be a high 7.




If it doesn't have at least 1000ppm zinc, don't even pour it in your engine. Find a better oil.

[number001]

I'm a new convert to better filters now. Got my first Baldwin from Volmax. But just now, I did some back reading and chance upon miko's post about Volmax caught selling fake donaldson filters. If the shop had a past reputation with this practice and even if they stopped doing it, it would be easy for customers to always second guess any product they get from this shop. Also take note, this shop is very much aware of this thread.

dvldoc, this is a shot of what I got. Any discrepancies? Appreciate your help.

[img] http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/598/img0855b.jpg [/img]

[number001]

Just to add since the "edit" post option of this thread is still iffy.

Is it normal for the Baldwin filters to be not wrapped in shrink wrap? The box appears a bit soiled but gives an impression of legitimacy with the computer etching printing of the Bar code + "Made in the USA" .

Even the Toyota filters from Toyota car dealers have a shrink wrapped covering on the bottom (to protect the filter's internal before use).

The filter itself has a computer stamping on top.

[dvldoc]

These are real, They have 100% real on the Baldwins, They are no longer a Donadson official dealer. Lesson learned I guess.

If the box is a little dirty it's really not a big deal, I have some that are like that two, they get jacked up from being shipped around. 90% of Baldwins come individually boxed so they are not wrapped in plastic, So far never seen on wrapped that is boxed. Fleetguards are not individually boxed but come in cases of 12 or 6 depending on the filter size but mainly 12 but are fully sealed in plastic.

Only thing you need to check on a filter really is dents, rust, bad threads. Those appear to be in perfect shape to me. Good to see they keep them in stock. No real knockoff market for Baldwins one the reproduction cost is a bit more due to the orange peal paint job they have and there being only one vendor in the Philippines kind of would screw them royally if they did sell the fakes.

As you can see they are the same.



As you can see Baldwins no plastic Fleetguards fully wrapped. Except for there Fuel filters they tend to be wrapped.

[glenn manikis]

sir how to distinguished between a good used oil and an oil that is already due for changing? w.o using any testing machine etc...

nag change oil (diesel) po kasi ako.. at ang napancin ko yung used oil eh halos kasing labnaw pa din ng bagong oil (almost drips like water po...) not unlike my previous oil change na malapot na po yung used oil... compare sa bagong oil....

[number001]

*dvldoc. thanks!:D

[dvldoc]

Visual inspection on diesel oil is not really a reliable means to know if the oil is in need of a change, But if it pours like water it's a sure bet the viscosity has broken down and it needs to be changed. Almost any Diesel oil has a TBN of around 10 and can make it 8000klm to 10000klm easily. More if you have a good filter.

[miko101130]

Doc, i saw a post on sulit.com about this isntant test for gasoline and diedel engine oils to be able to determine if its already due for change its just apiece of paper and will change color depending on the TBN i guess..

its fromm sulit.com type "instant Lubricant Diagnostics"

FLUID RX INSTANT LUBRICANT TEST FOR GASOLINE AND DIESEL ENGINE
How Fluid Rx Works

All modern lubricants contain additives that inhibit breakdown. As these additives are depleted, sludge forms. This shortens equipment life and reduces performance causing an overall increase in operating costs. Fluid Rx is a patented radial planner chromatographic diagnostic tool that provides analysis of a fluid's additive package, its dispersant properties and total sludge or debris content; no tools or special training is needed.

Fluid Rx Diagnostics provides simple and accurate verification that a fluid should be changed in accordance with MAP/AMRA UICS fluid recommendations and California BAR guidelines.

Simply place a drop of the sample fluid or lubricant on the Fluid Rx tester (filter paper) then compare the findings to the Fluid Rx ISO Laboratory analysis chart. In seconds Fluid Rx provides an analysis of crankcase and gear oils; power steering, transmission and brake fluids. Our All-In-One Antifreeze/ Coolant Diagnostics provides a simple & accurate evaluation of glycol content, and the anticorrosive package of all coolants including ELC and Long-Life formulas.

is there any truth to this product.. its also cheap to begin with.

[dvldoc]

Well here's what Fleetguard sent me.

CSSPI has been purchasing LF3564 made in Malaysia since Feb 2008 So far, there has been no quality issue raised.

Pictures attached. LF3564 as shown below has been supplied by Cummins Filtration since YR2004 from source in Malaysia. All Fleetguard products will always meet or exceed OE specifications and they are covered under Fleetguard global warranty.

I would like to visit those customers of CSSPI who are confused by this issue and I will address them in person for my next trip to Philippines

Anyone who has a questionable filter they would like to be contacted, Pics and a invoice of purchase helps out a lot.

These are the photos they sent of the filter.





Now here is the one posted from W&L on this forum. Not the same filter in my opinion, and if it is the quality is crap.





I would only purchase them with the country of origin on the filter because these South east Asia filters are defiantly not that impressive. Not it's still fully wrapped in plastic, the ones with with the plastic at the bottom only should be completly avoided (they never have a country on them)

The BD28 is a far superior filter than this one, way more pleats and more filter surface.

[MrQ5]

Few more API specs of oils.

Caltex Delo oil

Delo® 400 Multigrade

SAE 15W-40 API CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, ACEA E7 or JASO DH-1

Delo® Gold Ultra

SAE 15W-40 API CI-4

Delo® Gold ISOSYN Multigrade

SAE 15W-40 API CH-4, CF & SL

Delo 400 LE SAE 15W-40 (API CJ-4)

doc do you think that delo 400 15W-40 isosyn API CI-4+ is very good oil?... i just spotted this afternoon in a local motorcycle shops this oil pricing *PhP 1,300+ in 5L ... i can not find its TBN with isosyn technology other delo 400 is 12.2

[MrQ5]

there's a local company dug in google had oil analysis of delo 400 15W-40
www.kwi-ph.com/docs/cre_lab/DieselEngineReport.pdf

[Ry_Tower]

Well here's what Fleetguard sent me.






Anyone who has a questionable filter they would like to be contacted, Pics and a invoice of purchase helps out a lot.

These are the photos they sent of the filter.





Now here is the one posted from W&L on this forum. Not the same filter in my opinion, and if it is the quality is crap.





I would only purchase them with the country of origin on the filter because these South east Asia filters are defiantly not that impressive. Not it's still fully wrapped in plastic, the ones with with the plastic at the bottom only should be completly avoided (they never have a country on them)

One thing I noticed is that the orig Fleetguard has the markings going up the can while the fake one has markings going down into the bottom where the oil goes thru. Definitely two different filters.

[ali_diego]

Visual inspection on diesel oil is not really a reliable means to know if the oil is in need of a change, But if it pours like water it's a sure bet the viscosity has broken down and it needs to be changed. Almost any Diesel oil has a TBN of around 10 and can make it 8000klm to 10000klm easily. More if you have a good filter.

That's my experience now doc... after 1200km of using trekker rev-x engine oil WITH STP Engine Oil Treatment, my car smoke badly, like insanely black... when i change my oil early this morning, the oil is so watery ... what's wrong with that doc? is it the additive?

oh btw, i currently used delo gold ultra and vic filter (sorry...)

[Ry_Tower]

^ That is interesting because I can't find MSDS data for Petron products. I am doubtful in their formulation kaya never used it even before.

[crazy_boy]

just bought a BT233 for my 4cy Toyota and a BD28.

the guy at Volmax gave me an Old New stock of the BD28. he told me that its the last one they have. will post picture of it later.

at first he didnt want to sell it to me cause he said people from tsikot are "maselan" haha hopefully its not a fake.


just a heads up for all people wanting to buy BD28 for their 4D56 powered L300, it will not fit!! cause the filter is 0.5in longer and it is hitting the chassis and cant place it in anymore..

[crazy_boy]

i use bt233 for the 2 vios with 1NZFE 2NZFE engines and corolla with 2e engine. fits well. no leaks.

i wouldnt worry about it hitting potholes. malayo pa yung oil filter. unang tatamaan yung oil pan. besides bt223 is only about an inch longer and the metal casing seems sturdy enough

The BT223 fit perfeclty with all 4cly gas Toyota engines there is no way your getting a B2 oil filter on a 1.3 Toyota engine. Not sure where you did the cross reference from. But here you can see it's the B33 JS Filters :: Application Cross Reference and Image for JS : Oil (Spin-on) : C110J You can use the B33 but I prefer the BT223 because it's just a little bit bigger.


Top 1 diesel oil is great for gas and diesel since it's additive package is not to aggressive with the Zinc 1200ppm is perfect. Diesel oils have higher detergents as well so they will keep your engine cleaner so you can use that in all your vehicles.

You defiantly do not want to use the 20w50 oil in your engines unless it's a older worn out diesel. If the oil is the new API SJ rated oil you don't want that stuff it's weak sauce there zinc is around 850ppm to 900ppm and Phos way down in the 600ppm range. They do put in around 40ppm moly and some boron to make up for it a little. Not really the best oil out there.

Don't know about there diesel oil I would have to dig up a spec sheet the MSDS do not state the exact formulation but a range.

after backreading, i think i bought the wrong oil filter....

i bought the BT233 instead of BT223 for the 4cy toyota.