Remote bypass oil filtration

[dvldoc]

On the fake Fleetguard front. This is what I got back after sending in another complaint.

Thank you for your concern regarding this issue. We take these matters very seriously. We have conducted a local investigation, but were unable to verify the existence of counterfeit filters at the time. Lacking hard evidence, we could proceed no further. We would be happy to reopen the investigation, if you or your associates find actual counterfeit products and evidence as to where they are manufactured or sold.

Thanks again for your help and cooperation.

Barry

Barry Verdegan, Ph.D.
Research Fellow
Cummins Filtration Inc.
1801 U.S. Highway 51/138
Stoughton, WI 53589
Tel. 608-873-4371
FAX 608-873-1552
http://www.cumminsfiltration.com

I guess photos and the name of the shop is not good enough for these guys, what do they want a undercover sting on camera

Doing a local investigation in the Philippines using a local company guy is like saying send a guy out to go get a bribe a report back with the all's clear.

We obviously know fakes are still being sold. You can't find a real fleetguard for the the 4M40 to save you life.

So if you happen to buy one take a pic of it, the receipt and send it to barry.verdegan*cummins.com or send your complaint about the problem even if you don't have a pic or receipt and name were you got it from. Maybe they will get serious about it like Donaldson did.

[nelany]

On the fake Fleetguard front. This is what I got back after sending in another complaint.



I guess photos and the name of the shop is not good enough for these guys, what do they want a undercover sting on camera

Doing a local investigation in the Philippines using a local company guy is like saying send a guy out to go get a bribe a report back with the all's clear.

We obviously know fakes are still being sold. You can't find a real fleetguard for the the 4M40 to save you life.

So if you happen to buy one take a pic of it, the receipt and send it to barry.verdegan*cummins.com or send your complaint about the problem even if you don't have a pic or receipt and name were you got it from. Maybe they will get serious about it like Donaldson did.

Doc, the reason why they were unable to verify the existence of fake Fleetguard product in the Philippines because the guy is

Barry Verdegan, Ph.D. >>> stand for PHILIPPINE DISTRIBUTOR, joke only!!

I still have 1 pc of fake fleetguard that I bought from W&L before, the receipt is missing already.

[blue_gambit]

do they have a reward say a box of lube filters... hehehe if I present them with evidence like receipts or fake specimen?

[dvldoc]

do they have a reward say a box of lube filters... hehehe if I present them with evidence like receipts or fake specimen?

Well if you do have those PM me, I have the Singapore service manager who sent me a follow up emails. They need the filters and the reciepts, The US rep said the same thing. Hell I will pay the shipping cost just to bust these guys.

[blue_gambit]

I'll try to look for my receipt, i hope its still lying around.,

[miko101130]

Doc, Gulf Fleet Force Synth 15w40 with 15.8 TBN.. according to gulf oil Phil, its guaranteed for 50,000kms, its 500 per liter... if anyone is interested you can Pm me...

[crazy_boy]

Doc, Gulf Fleet Force Synth 15w40 with 15.8 TBN.. according to gulf oil Phil, its guaranteed for 50,000kms, its 500 per liter... if anyone is interested you can Pm me...

nice oil, but its going to be expensive for most of the fleet operators hehe

do we get tsikot discount?

[number001]

Glad to discover this thread, it really opened my eyes.

Our small company uses a fleet of L300s similar to the one shown below. 2011 model 4D56 EuroII. Mileage covered annually is 1x,xxx kms.



I plan to use Baldwin BD28 (we currently use VIC) on its next oil change. Also DVLDOC mentions this BD28 filter can easily last 10,000 kms. Now what oil should I use with the BD28 (so after 10,000 kms both oil and oil filter can be replaced simultaneously)?

Some candidates (as per this thread)

Top1 Synthetic Diesel Oil - Php 260-290/lit
Caltex Delo 400 15w40

Thank you for all inputs and to dvldoc for introducing this topic!

[crazy_boy]

dvldoc, i have been trying to search the MSDS for Royal Purple Motor oil but failed to find 1. can you comment on this oil? is it better than Mobil1?

thanks!

[dvldoc]

I would go with Delo as the cost is low, the TBN is high and the additive package is stronger. It's meant for fleet service. I would change the oil and filter out at the same time. I would also start with the 2T oil in the fuel it will reduce maintenance cost and allow you to run your oil longer because it helps your burn excess diesel.

Now this is how you save your company a bunch of money, Run the oil 12000klm and send of a sample of the oil for testing at one of the labs I posted and make sure you get a TBN. This will tell you just how long you can run this oil and filter with no guess work. Oil test is less than 1000P for most places and can save you 10000's of dollars in oil change cost. Top1 will also easily go that same distance with these filters since it's group III oil.

There is no reason Delo can not go to 12000klm that's actually a low estimate on that oil. Remember the reason to use Baldwin or Fleetguard filters is to extend oil life and reduce cost. 150000kml is not a unreasonable oil change interval on that engine with a Baldwin since it holds about 4 times more dirt than a standard over the counter filter and it filters down to 12 microns * 50%.

Please sir, keep up updated. It's good to know people can start saving some money with all the input from members on this forum.

[dvldoc]

I emailed Volmax and Pacer and ask them to update there stocks so people can have easier access to good filters. I gave them my main list of the most common filters. And Let Pacer know that the fake fleetguards are still around. I'm pretty sure they know by now I will call out any none original filters now and they would loose Tsikot members as future customers.

Volmax on the other hand just needs to expand into the normal car market vs just commercial vehicles and fleet vehicles and generators and get were the money is. Who's going to buy a VIC when they can get a Baldwin for cheaper.

Pretty much have 90% of vehicles covered in the list I sent.

[jakewise]

I emailed Volmax and Pacer and ask them to update there stocks so people can have easier access to good filters. I gave them my main list of the most common filters. And Let Pacer know that the fake fleetguards are still around. I'm pretty sure they know by now I will call out any none original filters now and they would loose Tsikot members as future customers.

Volmax on the other hand just needs to expand into the normal car market vs just commercial vehicles and fleet vehicles and generators and get were the money is. Who's going to buy a VIC when they can get a Baldwin for cheaper.

Pretty much have 90% of vehicles covered in the list I sent.

dvldoc: Is it possible to give the email add of Volmax so I can ask them too with my my requirements? Thanks

[miko101130]

Glad to discover this thread, it really opened my eyes.

Our small company uses a fleet of L300s similar to the one shown below. 2011 model 4D56 EuroII. Mileage covered annually is 1x,xxx kms.
Thank you for all inputs and to dvldoc for introducing this topic!

Bro, your inbox is full... Hindi kita ma PM... quote sana kita nang mga lubricants as per your requirement and price...

[crazy_boy]

Bro, your inbox is full... Hindi kita ma PM... quote sana kita nang mga lubricants as per your requirement and price...

sir, sent you PM.


BTT: good thing that currently we have a lot of options for good oil already

[Ry_Tower]

Glad to discover this thread, it really opened my eyes.

Our small company uses a fleet of L300s similar to the one shown below. 2011 model 4D56 EuroII. Mileage covered annually is 1x,xxx kms.



I plan to use Baldwin BD28 (we currently use VIC) on its next oil change. Also DVLDOC mentions this BD28 filter can easily last 10,000 kms. Now what oil should I use with the BD28 (so after 10,000 kms both oil and oil filter can be replaced simultaneously)?

Some candidates (as per this thread)

Top1 Synthetic Diesel Oil - Php 260-290/lit
Caltex Delo 400 15w40

Thank you for all inputs and to dvldoc for introducing this topic!

Caltex Delo Gold Ultra 15w40 na yung bago nila.

[number001]

Caltex Delo Gold Ultra 15w40 na yung bago nila.

Delo Diesel Engine Lubricating Oil - Delo 400, Gold, Silver & Sports - Caltex Philippines

Here in the Philippines, Delo 400 multigrade seem to be the highest grade available. If I'm not mistaken, its better than Gold Ultra.
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Anyone used Castrol Magnatec 10w-40 for petrol? Currently using the Honda branded Idemitsu 10W-30 mineral from the dealers at 180/liter. This thread has convinced me to use 10W-40 instead of the usual 10W-30, bec. of the unusual heat in our weather now.

[Ry_Tower]

Delo Diesel Engine Lubricating Oil - Delo 400, Gold, Silver & Sports - Caltex Philippines

Here in the Philippines, Delo 400 multigrade seem to be the highest grade available. If I'm not mistaken, its better than Gold Ultra.
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Anyone used Castrol Magnatec 10w-40 for petrol? Currently using the Honda branded Idemitsu 10W-30 mineral from the dealers at 180/liter. This thread has convinced me to use 10W-40 instead of the usual 10W-30, bec. of the unusual heat in our weather now.

Mukhang wala nga sa local dealers and shop yang Delo 400 ah. And higher specs nga siya than Delo Gold Ultra.

[miko101130]

The API rating is not that important... the basis of using a specific oil is the contents of the oil...
the higher API rating you go like CI-4 plus or CJ, the lesser the anti wear additive becomes because it follows the specification to prolong catalytic life and other emission control system... which is detrimental to engine protection and life...

Guys, just a personal note.. fake filters are not the only problem we have, there are a lot of fake and recycled oils.... I have sources in the lubricant industry that confirmed there are indeed recycled oils mixed with new oils especially in pails and drums and some other retail packaging of oils...

there are mixing plants in malabon, valenzuela, bulacan (north areas) that conducts the recycling, bad thing is that some business people clean the garbage oils and mixed it with good oils, so beware if the offer is too low for prevailing market price...

remember base oils from around the world have a current price, and prevailing price... here in the Philippines, the average cost of base oil only is around 19,000 pesos, the remaining cost is for the additive and operational cost... therefore if any oil would be abnormally low in price meaning below 10% of the total prevailing price you should do homework and probing... its not worth sacrificing the fleet or the engines you have for a couple of bucks... initially it will run fine, but eventually after a couple of year equipment breakdown will happen...

[dvldoc]

dvldoc: Is it possible to give the email add of Volmax so I can ask them too with my my requirements? Thanks

dcross*baldwinfilter.com is the main guys email address.

[jakewise]

dcross*baldwinfilter.com is the main guys email address.

thank you dvldoc