Remote bypass oil filtration

[dvldoc]

hey doc, i have a little problem. im changing oil for a 1.3 liter honda idsi. i think it has the same filter for a civic which has a vic c307. I tried to check the js site for honda 1.3 engine but didnt find a baldwin the engine. but i did try the cross for c307 and got the following for baldwin b166, b141, b7167 and b179. My question is, will they fit? Im going to volmax this weekend to get my baldwin oil filter for my bt223 for my toyotas( for 2 vios and an old corolla) and want to get quality oil filter for the civic and the city. thanks again!

Actually none of those will fit very well, the Outer diameter will keep it from being mounted. You want the Baldwin B1402 for any 1984 and up 4cly Honda engine. You guys have the smaller displacement L12A (1.2L), and L13A (1.3L) which we do not get here.

The OEM number for those engines is 15400PLMA01 which directly crosses with the B1402 you can also use the shorter B227 as well.

This is the 1.5L engine but you can see you might have a issue with a larger diameter filter hitting to the upper right of the filter.



The B1402, B1400 and B227 also are the filters for almost all 1999 and UP Nissan 4cly engines and the older SR20 engines. You can do a cross on your particular vehicle to be sure but if when it's a 20mmx1.5mm Thread it will be these two filters for those vehicles.

I use the B1402 on our my wife's Nissan Altima SL here in the states it is the longest of the 3 and has the greatest filtering surface.

[sirkosero]

thanks doc! you've been very helpful as always!

[blue_gambit]

Basically Baldwin and Fleetguard do not show the same filter for the 4m40
engine. The part number should be ME013307 or a ME013343 which both
directly cross to a BD7028 which can be replaced with a BD28. from what
other Pajero owner with the 2.8 have stated the BD7095 will also fit, it's a
few inches longer giving you more filter media and longer life between
filter changes.

I would go with the filter with a dual flow and a bypass valve. The
fleetguard does not have a bypass valve so if it get plugged it will not go
into the bypass mode. Filters without a bypass valve are designed for
engines that have a internal bypass valve.

We already know that what fits on the 4D56 fits the 4m40. On Cummings site
it shows the 4D56 fits the LF3564 which fits the 4D56 form 1987 to 1997.

So looks like a bug in the system on this one. I would not use a oil filter
in a diesel with no bypass valve the Mitsubishi filter is also a dual flow
filter not a full flow. Will the other one work, yeah but not nearly as
well since it's only a 30 micron filter vs a 12 micron filter.

NE, NF, NG, NH are the engine code prefixes for the 4m40 filter 93-00
ME013307 witch crosses to the BD7028, which can be replaced with the BD28
and if you have space the larger bd7095, These are what they run in
Australia and the UK and Canada.

Example
http://www.brettstruck.com.au/p/1155...subishi-pajero
-diesel-4m40-turbo-1994-1999-28l-.html

JS Filters :: Application Cross Reference and Image for JS : Oil (Spin-on) : C313J

The fleetguard is the only non dual flow filter so I would skip it because it will not filter half as well as a dual flow filter and the lack of a bypass valve is disturbing.

So doc Just wanna clear this up, fleetguard LF3564 doesn't have a by-pass valve? and if my filter gets clogged my 4m40 engine won't have any oil in it since it doesn't have an internal by-pass valve? Correct me if I'm wrong here... I just bought two LF3564 for my 4m40, if thats the case would I be better-off in VIC-313 filter?

[blue_gambit]

Just wanna add doc, I checked the engine work shop manual for my 4m40 specifically for the oil filter assembly, it did mention these parts "By-pass valve spring", "regulator Valve" both have (separate sides of mounting) plug and plunger, also it mentions in the procedure for cleaning to clean it for carbon and sludge deposits the "oil passage and by-pass".... does this mean that my 4m40 has an internal by-pass valve? Thanks

[dvldoc]

I believe that is to bypass the oil cooler on start up so there is not a pressure drop.

[blue_gambit]

I believe that is to bypass the oil cooler on start up so there is not a pressure drop.

So I guess the lf3564 isn't good for my 4m40 right?

[Ry_Tower]

So I guess the lf3564 isn't good for my 4m40 right?

As per bosch packaging, the oil filter for 4d56 is still ok to be used with a 4m40 engine actually. However, it would be wise not to replace the oil and filter above 5,000km since this is not a combination/dual flow filter IMO. so its still ok to be used BG IMO. hehe

[blue_gambit]

As per bosch packaging, the oil filter for 4d56 is still ok to be used with a 4m40 engine actually. However, it would be wise not to replace the oil and filter above 5,000km since this is not a combination/dual flow filter IMO. so its still ok to be used BG IMO. hehe

Correct if I'm wrong here RT... 4d56 engine does not use a combo filter while the 4m40 engine does?

[Ry_Tower]

Correct if I'm wrong here RT... 4d56 engine does not use a combo filter while the 4m40 engine does?

Yes. I actually want to ask dvdoc if using a combo filter in a 4d56 engine won't hurt it since the original oil filter design is a full flow filter?

How about it doc?

[mcbry]

The JS page is wrong on the Toyota filter, but as I have stated live 5 times or more on this threat the BT223 fits all Toyota 4cly and 6cly gas engines there and all D4D engines.

Or you can use the Fleetguard LF3335

thanks doc and Ry_Tower.
follow-up question lang.
does anyone know where i can get this filter somewhere in Cavite/Alabang area?

[dvldoc]

Think theres a mix up here again. 4D56, 4M40, 4M41 all can use the same filter. BD28 or BD7028 or Fleetguard LF3564 all are combo filters all work on these engines. You should get a easy 10000klm on any of these.

All these engines use a combo filter.

[blue_gambit]

Think theres a mix up here again. 4D56, 4M40, 4M41 all can use the same filter. BD28 or BD7028 or Fleetguard LF3564 all are combo filters all work on these engines. You should get a easy 10000klm on any of these.

All these engines use a combo filter.

Does the original OEM combo filter (for the 4m40) from mitsu have a by-pass valve design? Cause its a deal breaker for me, since before I had an experience with a clog filter.And I don't wanna go through that again as much as possible.. thanks

[dvldoc]

Let be sure that were clear, the bypass valve is not a bypass filter. It simply closes to bypass the filter if it becomes clogged. Your not going to clog up a Fleetguard or Baldwin unless your vehicle is severely neglected and you leave it on there for 20000Klm or more.

The MITSUBISHI ME013307 and ME215002 has a 19psi bypass valve. Used any of the filters I suggested they are test and proven to work great on those engines. I would not use one without a bypass valve.

*MCBRY

I posted a big list of all the dealers of these filters, I think it's about 4 or 5 pages back. There a few places close to Cavite.

[blue_gambit]

Let be sure that were clear, the bypass valve is not a bypass filter. It simply closes to bypass the filter if it becomes clogged. Your not going to clog up a Fleetguard or Baldwin unless your vehicle is severely neglected and you leave it on there for 20000Klm or more.

The MITSUBISHI ME013307 and ME215002 has a 19psi bypass valve. Used any of the filters I suggested they are test and proven to work great on those engines. I would not use one without a bypass valve. <- your comment really confuses me in reference to your previous post that the fleet guard doesn't have a by-pass valve, yet you highly recommend this brand

*MCBRY

I posted a big list of all the dealers of these filters, I think it's about 4 or 5 pages back. There a few places close to Cavite.

Once and for-all dvldoc does the LF3564 have a by-pass valve too? Since the OEM has one as you stated a 19psi bypass valve(meaning that the 4m40 doesn't have an internal bypass valve), and if it doesn't for some freak accident that the fleeguard gets clogged (which I intend to use for only 5000kms), will there still be oil circulating in my engine so as not to be a cause of oil deprivation in the internal components?


Sorry for being "makulit" I just dont want to cut corners when it comes to my Rig ...

[dvldoc]

Think theres a mix up here again. 4D56, 4M40, 4M41 all can use the same filter. BD28 or BD7028 or Fleetguard LF3564 all are combo filters all work on these engines. You should get a easy 10000klm on any of these.

All these engines use a combo filter.

They all have bypass valves, remember I said I would not use one without a bypass valve.

LF3564 is 14.5psi. You guys can also just check there websites for the specs. I posted this on the previous page (post 588) click the link for the details.

http://tsikot.com/forums/engine-fuel...ml#post1804397

http://www.cumminsfiltration.com/cat...&currentPage=1

[12vdc]

Recap..

Bypass valve built-in the filter - a device that protect the engine from oil starvation when the filter is clogged.
It operates by opening a spring-loaded valve on a specific pressure.
Pressure is reached when filter is clogged or the oil is too thick during startup/engine is cold.


Bypass valve in the engine - it is a built-in bypass valve inside the engine's lubrication system.
This setup usually does not require a filter to have a bypass valve


Remote bypass filtration - a filtering technique/ add-on device that filters fluids more efficiently by using 2 filters called full-flow and bypass filter. Due to its efficient dirt removal, oil changes could be extended.
It works by directing a SMALL VOLUME to pass in secondary filter known as bypass filter.
The logic behind the efficiency of partial flow or bypass filtration
- high pressure passing thru a filter element means more contaminants that could escape from the filter element.
- low pressure means filter element could capture contaminants more effectively

Some heavy duty engines have built-in bypass filtration using 2 filters in the engine
Other filters also have a built in bypass filtration called the combo filter just like LF3564.

[12vdc]

So for the question, would the filter that has a built-in bypass filter and bypass valve work in your engine?
Answer is
Yes if the filter's bypass valve is the same with OE specs
No if the volumetric flow of oil will be restricted due to additional filtration.

Safe side is to follow the OE specs or use replacement with better flowrates that is inherent to synthetic media filters.

Know your Engines OE specs before selecting a filter replacement like bypass valve setting, flow rate, presence of anti drain back valve, filter media efficiency.

Example: OE filter uses 1 bar or 14.5 PSI bypass valve and you are chosing a replacement filter

This is what will happen to your filtration if you deviate from OE:

lower say 8 PSI
- would make your engine suffer from unfiltered oil when the filter gets stuffed.
- would require you to replace filter more often or else premature engine wear could occur due to passing unfiltered oil.

higher say 21 PSI
- oil starvation could occur during engine startup or worse starvation during engine operation.

For me, id chose the lower PSI since i intend my filter to be replaced every 5k kms.
Also because i dont know the OE pressure of the oil pump, so it is safer to assume by using better & larger filter element means more flow and less strain to the oil pump.
I assume also that filter will never clog in 5k kms use.

Also remember, always use a filter that has a built-in bypass valve if you are not sure if your engine has one.
:praning:

[blue_gambit]

They all have bypass valves, remember I said I would not use one without a bypass valve.

LF3564 is 14.5psi. You guys can also just check there websites for the specs. I posted this on the previous page (post 588) click the link for the details.

http://tsikot.com/forums/engine-fuel...ml#post1804397

http://www.cumminsfiltration.com/cat...&currentPage=1

Sorry dvldoc I must've misunderstood your post, I thought what you meant was that the LF3564 didn't had a by-pass valve. And it was a glitch that it was not-compatible with my 4m40.

here's a pic of it, covered in plastic top-to-bottom not just the bottom as compared VIC(used). no place of origin though (got it from WnL)

[12vdc]

^
No crimps on the gasket holder
No place of origin
non-painted lip

and they are selling it for howmuch??

Im thinking, Pacer and WnL have the same source

[blue_gambit]

^
No crimps on the gasket holder
No place of origin
non-painted lip

and they are selling it for howmuch??

Im thinking, Pacer and WnL have the same source

Crimps are the first thing I looked for, there was none. P575 when I checked my receipt. I asked them if its the original, even the tech guy assured it is. WnL isn't an autosupply, its an Office...