OEM counterpart? (Iwas rebadge at repack sa casa)

[s10pao]

Diba nga different factories ang pinagkukuhaan, hindi naman galing from the same company yung product eh, sinub contract lang nila sa Thailand, China or other factories.

Pano magiging same companies kung sa ibang factory(Hindi owned by Koito, Bosch and etc...) nila kinukuha yung product. So pano mo inassume na same PRODUCT, same COMPANY = same quality? Dahil ba lang sa ISO certification

kasama yan sa quality standard nila. kung hindi pasok sa standard nila, kahit made in Japan, hindi nila dun kukunin ung parts or service.

ganun rin naman sa Japan ah, outsourced din sa ibang bansa ung mga parts na gamit nila sa pagbuo ng kotse. pag sinabi bang Japan CBU, 100% assembled and 100% japanese parts?

[s10pao]

ISO 9001 is Quality Manangement Systems = Comnpany operations, procedures, reports, audits, etc.

ISO/TS 16949 is partialy derived from ISO 9001, but is more commonly used in the automotive field, both in servicing and manufacturing.

However, I'd like to emphasize that ISO markings can be faked.

Based sa experience ko sa Japanese culture, very unlikely sa mga japanese companies ang gumamit ng fake certifications kasi laging may Hapon na nagbabantay dun sa offshore operations nila.

[JapanABC]

kasama yan sa quality standard nila. kung hindi pasok sa standard nila, kahit made in Japan, hindi nila dun kukunin ung parts or service.

ganun rin naman sa Japan ah, outsourced din sa ibang bansa ung mga parts na gamit nila sa pagbuo ng kotse. pag sinabi bang Japan CBU, 100% assembled and 100% japanese parts?

Basahin mo nalang itong forums sa tsikot
http://tsikot.com/forums/garage-150/...-better-35575/

Tanongin mo nalang yung nagreply nito

"I would agree.. We had a CBU 97 Rav4 and a Locally assembled 98 Rav4... It has better fit & finish IMO... and from the article I read about Toyota, they said that it's quite hard for them to implement their JIT and other strict quality control practices when they set-up shop in other countries BUT they are also doing their best to address those issues...

Problema kasi sa Asean at Locally made tinitipid ang materyales... case in point... when we had our SKD Civic way back 1992, they used Rugby haphazardly at walang masyadong insulation... one reason also my Dad sweared to God he will never buy a Honda again..."

[s10pao]

This Taiwan company has been certified ISO for 30 Years already.

eh magkaibang design nga yan eh, natural magkaiba rin ang performance at quality nyan.

[s10pao]

Basahin mo nalang itong forums sa tsikot
http://tsikot.com/forums/garage-150/...-better-35575/

Tanongin mo nalang yung nagreply nito

"I would agree.. We had a CBU 97 Rav4 and a Locally assembled 98 Rav4... It has better fit & finish IMO... and from the article I read about Toyota, they said that it's quite hard for them to implement their JIT and other strict quality control practices when they set-up shop in other countries BUT they are also doing their best to address those issues...

Problema kasi sa Asean at Locally made tinitipid ang materyales... case in point... when we had our SKD Civic way back 1992, they used Rugby haphazardly at walang masyadong insulation... one reason also my Dad sweared to God he will never buy a Honda again..."

locally assembled pa rin ba ang Rav4? hindi nabanggit dun sa comment ung ISO certification nung planta at that time. possibly not up to par sa japanese standards ung operations nung planta at that time.

[JapanABC]

Sa experience ko with the Japanese iba ang culture nila lalo na sa factories nila mismo sa Japan grabe sobrang sipag, iba ang mindset nila kapag sila nagtratrabaho compared dito sa Pinas. Agree ako dun sa nabasa ko sa forum na nilink ko dito na ang Pinoy meron tinatawag na "Pwede na yan" or "Bahala na si Batman" attitude.

[s10pao]

Sa experience ko with the Japanese iba ang culture nila lalo na sa factories nila mismo sa Japan grabe sobrang sipag, iba ang mindset nila kapag sila nagtratrabaho compared dito sa Pinas. Agree ako dun sa nabasa ko sa forum na nilink ko dito na ang Pinoy meron tinatawag na "Pwede na yan" or "Bahala na si Batman" attitude.

exactly. tingin mo papayag sila na hindi same ang work ethic at quality sa mga planta nila outside ng Japan?

[JapanABC]

exactly. tingin mo papayag sila na hindi same ang work ethic at quality sa mga planta nila outside ng Japan?

Let me explain, Sa mismong Japan factories(Inside of Japan) ang binangit ko hindi outside of Japan. Iba pag sa ibang bansa altough may nagbabantay na Hapon, hindi niya efficiently mababantayan lahat pag nasa ibang bansa na ang planta.

[JapanABC]

Kung same certification lang sila, dapat same lang ang quality. Otherwise, pwede sila matanggalan ng ISO certification kasi may level of standard silang hindi nasusunod.

eh magkaibang design nga yan eh, natural magkaiba rin ang performance at quality nyan.

ISO9001 ang Bosch and yung nabanggit kong Taiwan Company.

Taiwan Company
ISO 9001 certificate is awarded from S.G.S. (Societe Generale de Surveillance S.A.)

[s10pao]

Let me explain, Sa mismong Japan factories ang binangit ko hindi outside of Japan. Iba pag sa ibang bansa altough may nagbabantay na Hapon, hindi niya efficiently mababantayan lahat pag nasa ibang bansa na ang planta.

kaya ka nga may ISO certification eh. ibig sabihin sinusunod at may detalyadong panuntunan at proseso ung planta para makamit ung quality standards na itinakda nung mga Hapon.

yan bang mga factories na yan outside ng Japan wala pa ring ISO certification na meron ang mga japanese factories nila?
sa tinagal-tagal na ng mga plantang yan hindi pa rin ba up-to-par ang operations nila compared sa Japan?