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**JapanABC** · February 21st, 2014 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by s10pao

eto rin ang paniniwala ko. same lang dapat ang materials (OEM spec) at quality since same standards dapat ang susundin nila, mas mahal lang talaga ang labor cost sa japan.

Ang Iphone ay Iphone, meron bang Performance Iphone or Aftermarket Iphone or OEM Iphone?

Meron nga simililarities ang consumer electronics sa Car, pero pag dating sa car parts masmaraming variety na mapagpipilian.

**red_one** · February 21st, 2014 11:56 AM

*JapanABC: very well explained bro. keep up the good shares.

**s10pao** · February 21st, 2014 12:08 PM

*JapanABC

teka lang mag-backtrack muna tayo ha

may nagtanong sayo

Originally Posted by weszt

bakit mas matibay ang made in japan kesa sa made in thailand? same brand naman

ang intindi ko dyan ay "apples to apples" ang comparison. OEM spec vs OEM spec product ng isang japanese company na magkaiba ang pinanggalingang manufacturing plant. mas superior (significantly) pa rin ang japan made?

naiintindihan ko ung punto mo tungkol sa OEM spec vs aftermarket spec.

**JapanABC** · February 21st, 2014 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by s10pao

*JapanABC

teka lang mag-backtrack muna tayo ha

may nagtanong sayo

ang intindi ko dyan ay "apples to apples" ang comparison. OEM spec vs OEM spec product ng isang japanese company na magkaiba ang pinanggalingang manufacturing plant. mas superior (significantly) pa rin ang japan made?

naiintindihan ko ung punto mo tungkol sa OEM spec vs aftermarket spec.

Ganito yung sa Iphone diba assembly line - Isa lng assembly line ng Iphone ang pinagkaiba lng ng bawat Iphone ay memory.

Iphone Assembly 16Gb, 32GB and 64GB

Assembly Line ng Automotive - For example Bulb or Halogen, Bulb assembly line may

Auto Bulb - tiny 12V single contact, tiny 24V single contact, small 12V Single Contact, small 24V Single Contact, small 12V Double Contact, small 24V Double Contact, medium 12V Single Contact, medium 24V Single Contact, Large 12V Single Contact, Large 24V Single Contact, Large 12V Double Contact, Large 24V Double Contact, Large Amber 12V Single Contact, Large 24V Single Contact.

Wedge Bulb - T5 12V 1.2W, T5 24V 1.8W, T3.4 14V 0.8A, T4.7 14V 1.4W, T7 12V 3W, T7 24V 3W, T10 12V 5W, T10 24V 5W, T10 AMBER 12V 5W, T15 12V 18W, T20 12V 21W SINGLE, T20 12V 21W/5W DOUBLE, T20 AMBER 12V 21W SINGLE, T20 AMBER 12V 21W/5W

Halogen Bulb - H1, H3, H4, H7, H8, H9, H10, H11, H12, H13, H14, H15, H16 and so on... different voltage, different wattage

HID - By volts and wattage

American Bulb - marami din

Pilot Bulb - marami din sizes, voltage and wattage

Hindi ganon kabilis ang production ng Automotive parts, hindi gaya ng mga consumer electronics.

Mahirap talaga ang quality management dahil sa sobra daming assembly lines

If inoutsource yun sa ibang factory abroad mahirap isa isahin yan, magkakaruon talaga ng Human error in production dahil sa sobra daming klase na ginagawa. Eh siyempre masfocus yung Koito sa sinusupply niya sa Toyota na mismo main customer niya na millions of billions of ilaw ang sinusupply niya. Yung sa mga outside na Toyota customers is minor nalang yun.

**s10pao** · February 21st, 2014 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by JapanABC

Mahirap talaga ang quality management dahil sa sobra daming assembly lines

If inoutsource yun sa ibang factory abroad mahirap isa isahin yan, magkakaruon talaga ng Human error in production dahil sa sobra daming klase na ginagawa. Eh siyempre masfocus yung Koito sa sinusupply niya sa Toyota na mismo main customer niya na millions of billions of ilaw ang sinusupply niya. Yung sa mga outside na Toyota customers is minor nalang yun.

marami rin components ang mga electronic products at maselan pa ang handling, konting static discharge lang pwede na masira ung electronice component. Yang IPhone assembly, hindi lang memory ang binubuo o ikinakabit sa mga Chinese factories nila, ang alam ung buong unit ng IPhone dun binubuo.

kaya nga tinatanong kita dun sa isang nauna kong post tungkol sa ISO and other certifications ng manufacturing factories outside Japan. pareho lang ba sila with manufacturing plants in Japan? kasi kahit saang bansa mo dalhin yang ISO certification na yan, parehong-pareho yan.

Kung same certification lang sila, dapat same lang ang quality. Otherwise, pwede sila matanggalan ng ISO certification kasi may level of standard silang hindi nasusunod.

again, ang comparison ko "apple to apples".
OEM spec (made in japan) vs OEM spec (made in other countries) pero same lang ang level ng ISO certification ng mga manufacturing plants, mas superior pa rin (significantly) ang quality ng Japan made?

**s10pao** · February 21st, 2014 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by JapanABC

Mahirap talaga ang quality management dahil sa sobra daming assembly lines

If inoutsource yun sa ibang factory abroad mahirap isa isahin yan, magkakaruon talaga ng Human error in production dahil sa sobra daming klase na ginagawa. Eh siyempre masfocus yung Koito sa sinusupply niya sa Toyota na mismo main customer niya na millions of billions of ilaw ang sinusupply niya. Yung sa mga outside na Toyota customers is minor nalang yun.

marami rin components ang mga electronic products at maselan pa ang handling, konting static discharge lang pwede na masira ung electronic component. Yang IPhone assembly, hindi lang memory ang binubuo o ikinakabit sa mga Chinese factories nila, ang alam ko ung buong unit ng IPhone dun binubuo.

kaya nga tinatanong kita dun sa isang nauna kong post tungkol sa ISO and other certifications ng manufacturing factories outside Japan, pareho lang ba sila with manufacturing plants in Japan? kasi kahit saang bansa mo dalhin yang ISO certification na yan, parehong-pareho yan.

Kung same certification lang sila, dapat same lang ang quality. Otherwise, pwede sila matanggalan ng ISO certification kasi may level of standard silang hindi nasusunod.

again, ang comparison ko "apple to apples".
OEM spec (made in japan) vs OEM spec (made in other countries) pero same lang ang level ng ISO certification ng mga manufacturing plants, mas superior pa rin (significantly) ang quality ng Japan made?

**JapanABC** · February 21st, 2014 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by s10pao

marami rin components ang mga electronic products at maselan pa ang handling, konting static discharge lang pwede na masira ung electronic component. Yang IPhone assembly, hindi lang memory ang binubuo o ikinakabit sa mga Chinese factories nila, ang alam ko ung buong unit ng IPhone dun binubuo.

kaya nga tinatanong kita dun sa isang nauna kong post tungkol sa ISO and other certifications ng manufacturing factories outside Japan, pareho lang ba sila with manufacturing plants in Japan? kasi kahit saang bansa mo dalhin yang ISO certification na yan, parehong-pareho yan.

Kung same certification lang sila, dapat same lang ang quality. Otherwise, pwede sila matanggalan ng ISO certification kasi may level of standard silang hindi nasusunod.

again, ang comparison ko "apple to apples".
OEM spec (made in japan) vs OEM spec (made in other countries) pero same lang ang level ng ISO certification ng mga manufacturing plants, mas superior pa rin (significantly) ang quality ng Japan made?

So sinasabi mo kpag may ISO9001 same na sila ng quality? Ganun ba?
For example ang Bosch may ISO9001 so yung isang Taiwan Company may ISO9001 same na ang quality?
Sa experience ko na pag try nung products na yun kahit may ISO9001 pa yung sa Taiwan company, mas nagtagal parin yung Bosch wiper blade.

ISO9001 Does not specify requirements for the goods or services you are purchasing. That is up to you to define by making clear your own needs & expectations for the product, you might, for example, refer to product specifications, drawings, national or international product standards, supplier's catalogues or other documents as appropriate.

**lowslowbenz** · February 21st, 2014 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by JapanABC

Ang ibig sabihin lang naman ng company na may ISO certification, is that na achieve nila yung requirements ng ISO of manufacturing the product. Kahit hindi OEM specifications requirement ng Car manufacturers, basta nakapasa sa requirments ng ISO to be an acceptable product quality.

ISO 9001 is Quality Manangement Systems = Comnpany operations, procedures, reports, audits, etc.

ISO/TS 16949 is partialy derived from ISO 9001, but is more commonly used in the automotive field, both in servicing and manufacturing.

However, I'd like to emphasize that ISO markings can be faked.

**weszt** · February 21st, 2014 02:23 PM

keep coming, nice debate.

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**s10pao** · February 21st, 2014 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by JapanABC

So sinasabi mo kpag may ISO9001 same na sila ng quality? Ganun ba?

again, assuming same company at same product ang ginagawa nila, dapat. kaya nga standard yan eh.

Originally Posted by JapanABC

For example ang Bosch may ISO9001 so yung isang Taiwan Company may ISO9001 same na ang quality?
Sa experience ko na pag try nung products na yun kahit may ISO9001 pa yung sa Taiwan company, mas nagtagal parin yung Bosch wiper blade.

hindi sila same product, same purpose but different designs. malamang magkaiba talaga ang quality nyan.

again "apples to apples" dapat ang comparison.
same company, same product, same certification&standards
OEM spec (made in japan) vs OEM spec (made in other countries)
superior quality ang made in japan?