Mineral , semi synthetic or fully synthetic?

[burnik]

I have a 2010 GLS and have been using royal purple 5w30 grade synthetic oil at 10K changes since 10K kms. Now my Tucson is at 73K++ kms. Yearly air and cabin filter changes and NGK IRIDIUM plugs.

thank you sir

[andrewnathaniel]

Hello to all!
New lang dito sa tsikot at sana patawarin nyo ako at nakikisingit lang.(no time pa para mag backread kaya baka may nakasagot na)

Yan po sir, tumbok nyo po, the dealers should know better. Sa pagkaka alam ko, just correct me na lang, 20W50 was phased out in the 80's. (sabi nun amo ko na kano).

Anyway, sa oil company kasi ako nag work kaya as much as possible na may mai contribute ako, I'll try my level best na lang...

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Hello to all!
New lang dito sa tsikot at sana patawarin nyo ako at nakikisingit lang.(no time pa para mag backread kaya baka may nakasagot na)

Yan po sir, tumbok nyo po, the dealers should know better. Sa pagkaka alam ko, just correct me na lang, 20W50 was phased out in the 80's. (sabi nun amo ko na kano).

Anyway, sa oil company kasi ako nag work kaya as much as possible na may mai contribute ako, I'll try my level best na lang...

Kindly enlighten me bro regarding viscosities. For example, 5w30 and 10w30, lets say philippine climate, wala tayong winter. Mas malapot ba yung 10w30 compared sa 5w30 o parehas lang sila?

May nagsasabi kasi na parehas lang sila then meron din naman na mas malapot daw yung 10w30. Which is true?

Thanks bro.

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Hello to all!
New lang dito sa tsikot at sana patawarin nyo ako at nakikisingit lang.(no time pa para mag backread kaya baka may nakasagot na)

Yan po sir, tumbok nyo po, the dealers should know better. Sa pagkaka alam ko, just correct me na lang, 20W50 was phased out in the 80's. (sabi nun amo ko na kano).

Anyway, sa oil company kasi ako nag work kaya as much as possible na may mai contribute ako, I'll try my level best na lang...

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Hello to all!
New lang dito sa tsikot at sana patawarin nyo ako at nakikisingit lang.(no time pa para mag backread kaya baka may nakasagot na)

Yan po sir, tumbok nyo po, the dealers should know better. Sa pagkaka alam ko, just correct me na lang, 20W50 was phased out in the 80's. (sabi nun amo ko na kano).

Anyway, sa oil company kasi ako nag work kaya as much as possible na may mai contribute ako, I'll try my level best na lang...

Kindly enlighten me bro regarding viscosities. For example, 5w30 and 10w30, lets say philippine climate, wala tayong winter. Mas malapot ba yung 10w30 compared sa 5w30 o parehas lang sila?

May nagsasabi kasi na parehas lang sila then meron din naman na mas malapot daw yung 10w30. Which is true?

Thanks bro.

[dos2]

Toyota and mitsubishi dealership are crazy. They sell 20w50 for gasoline engine.

Noob question.
May I ask what is wrong with 20w50 when these two top sellers are recommending it during warranty period pms?
Thanks

[Ry_Tower]

^W50 weight oil is too heavy specially if brande new kotse. Max na yung W40 dapat. FC will surely suffer if brand new at 20W50 ang ilalagay na oil. Engine oils are great nowadays, so the need for W50 oil in a hot climate like ours is not a requirement anymore. Kahit W30 pa yan basta synthetic ay hindi mag-evaporate or maging sobrang malata (yung parang tubig na lang).

Still fraudulent to me. No wonder a couple of guys here insistent that zic RV is synthetic when it is clearly not. They are probably vendors at Olx

I also don't like oils that brand themselves as FS when they are just Grp 3 oils.

[midnytwarrior]

Kindly enlighten me bro regarding viscosities. For example, 5w30 and 10w30, lets say philippine climate, wala tayong winter. Mas malapot ba yung 10w30 compared sa 5w30 o parehas lang sila?

May nagsasabi kasi na parehas lang sila then meron din naman na mas malapot daw yung 10w30. Which is true?

Thanks bro.

Yes, regarding sa viscosity, mas malapot ang 10W30.

Kasi kung titingnan mo sa viscosity index chart eh mas aabot ng sa mas malamig na temperature ang 5W30 (-30 deg Celsius) compared sa 10W30 (-18 deg Celsius). Mas malabnaw eh mas may flow pag mas malamig.

Wala man tayong winter pero ang magiging advantage ng pag gamit ng mas malabnaw na langis (make sure muna na allowed or recommended sa owner's manual bago gumamit) is yun during cold starting (overnight or more than 4 hours naka off yun erngine). Mas malabnaw, mas madali mag circulate ang langis. Isa kasi ang cold starting sa malakas mag produce ng engine wear.

Sa panahon ngayon with advanced technology compared like decades ago yun mga manufacturers naka gawa na ng mga engines na mas maliliit ang clearances kaya mas maninipis na oil ang recommended para maka lubircate ng maayos.

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Kindly enlighten me bro regarding viscosities. For example, 5w30 and 10w30, lets say philippine climate, wala tayong winter. Mas malapot ba yung 10w30 compared sa 5w30 o parehas lang sila?

May nagsasabi kasi na parehas lang sila then meron din naman na mas malapot daw yung 10w30. Which is true?

Thanks bro.

Yes, regarding sa viscosity, mas malapot ang 10W30.

Kasi kung titingnan mo sa viscosity index chart eh mas aabot ng sa mas malamig na temperature ang 5W30 (-30 deg Celsius) compared sa 10W30 (-18 deg Celsius). Mas malabnaw eh mas may flow pag mas malamig.

Wala man tayong winter pero ang magiging advantage ng pag gamit ng mas malabnaw na langis (make sure muna na allowed or recommended sa owner's manual bago gumamit) is yun during cold starting (overnight or more than 4 hours naka off yun erngine). Mas malabnaw, mas madali mag circulate ang langis. Isa kasi ang cold starting sa malakas mag produce ng engine wear.

Sa panahon ngayon with advanced technology compared like decades ago yun mga manufacturers naka gawa na ng mga engines na mas maliliit ang clearances kaya mas maninipis na oil ang recommended para maka lubircate ng maayos.

[midnytwarrior]

Noob question.
May I ask what is wrong with 20w50 when these two top sellers are recommending it during warranty period pms?
Thanks

Sa panahon ngayon makapal na masyado yan 20W50.

Ginagamit na lang siguro ng mga manufacturers kasi pag preferred ng customers ang gumamit ng mineral / regular oil. And as long as from the shelves of the dealer ka bibili at may branding nila yun langis eh pasok ka sa warranty.

Isa yan mga bagay na yan sa inopen ko sa thread na ito http://tsikot.com/forums/toyota-cars...6/#post2548356

[dos2]

Sa panahon ngayon makapal na masyado yan 20W50.

Ginagamit na lang siguro ng mga manufacturers kasi pag preferred ng customers ang gumamit ng mineral / regular oil. And as long as from the shelves of the dealer ka bibili at may branding nila yun langis eh pasok ka sa warranty.

Isa yan mga bagay na yan sa inopen ko sa thread na ito http://tsikot.com/forums/toyota-cars...6/#post2548356

Anung logic sir, mas malaki ba profit ng dealers kung yan ang gagamitin nila instead of better grade?
I will read the thread you've posted.
Thanks!

[bloowolf]

I think the 20w50 dos2 is asking about is a mineral based oil. My understanding with mineral based oils, the reason why they are heavier & more viscous is because they are not stable in higher temperatures, as compared to fully synthetic ones. Yung mineral based malapot pay malamig talks lumalabnaw pag init. Pay nag overheat naman, parang tubing. Ang fully synthetic naman di masyado nag change ang lapot kahit malamig o mainit.

[dos2]

I think the 20w50 dos2 is asking about is a mineral based oil. My understanding with mineral based oils, the reason why they are heavier & more viscous is because they are not stable in higher temperatures, as compared to fully synthetic ones. Yung mineral based malapot pay malamig talks lumalabnaw pag init. Pay nag overheat naman, parang tubing. Ang fully synthetic naman di masyado nag change ang lapot kahit malamig o mainit.

Yes sir.
I just noticed in my official receipts that 20w50 mineral oil is used in the casa pms of my vios. I just would like to understand the disadvantages of using this oil since my 15K pms is scheduled this weekend. If there is an option to use a better grade but similarly priced or justifiably more expensive oil without voiding my warranty, then I would request that to my Service Advisor.
If no other options, then I might really have no option at all but to use the same oil in my successive pms and wait for the warranty expiration to use better oil.
I have a fairly low mileage car and my practice is to change oil every 5K kms or 6 months whichever comes first.

What is the disadvantage if the oil is less viscous during high temp? Isn't this good since parts are more fluidic in a less viscous environment? Kindly clarify if my logic is incorrect.

Thanks

[midnytwarrior]

Anung logic sir, mas malaki ba profit ng dealers kung yan ang gagamitin nila instead of better grade?
I will read the thread you've posted.
Thanks!

Basically kasi hinde lahat ng motorista pwede maka afford ng synthetic oil. Pero in the future, most probably, synthetic is the only way to go. Why? Kung makikita mo, ang API Service grades, Ang mga synthetic oil lang ang nakalampas ng API SL, meaning ang mga SM, SN is for synthetic oils lang. Walang mineral oil ang pwedeng lalampas ng API SL.

Kaya ang mga casa eh gumagamit ng mineral oil para ma accommodate yun mga customers na ayaw nmn bumili ng synthetic oil. So para lang may peace of mind ang customer, at para hinde ma void ang warranty eh yun na lang consider nila.

Regarding sa profit, as I see it is at least na accommodate nila as much customers as possible. More customer = more profit.

I think the 20w50 dos2 is asking about is a mineral based oil. My understanding with mineral based oils, the reason why they are heavier & more viscous is because they are not stable in higher temperatures, as compared to fully synthetic ones. Yung mineral based malapot pay malamig talks lumalabnaw pag init. Pay nag overheat naman, parang tubing. Ang fully synthetic naman di masyado nag change ang lapot kahit malamig o mainit.

Yes sir, very true po.

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Anung logic sir, mas malaki ba profit ng dealers kung yan ang gagamitin nila instead of better grade?
I will read the thread you've posted.
Thanks!

Basically kasi hinde lahat ng motorista pwede maka afford ng synthetic oil. Pero in the future, most probably, synthetic is the only way to go. Why? Kung makikita mo, ang API Service grades, Ang mga synthetic oil lang ang nakalampas ng API SL, meaning ang mga SM, SN is for synthetic oils lang. Walang mineral oil ang pwedeng lalampas ng API SL.

Kaya ang mga casa eh gumagamit ng mineral oil para ma accommodate yun mga customers na ayaw nmn bumili ng synthetic oil. So para lang may peace of mind ang customer, at para hinde ma void ang warranty eh yun na lang consider nila.

Regarding sa profit, as I see it is at least na accommodate nila as much customers as possible. More customer = more profit.

I think the 20w50 dos2 is asking about is a mineral based oil. My understanding with mineral based oils, the reason why they are heavier & more viscous is because they are not stable in higher temperatures, as compared to fully synthetic ones. Yung mineral based malapot pay malamig talks lumalabnaw pag init. Pay nag overheat naman, parang tubing. Ang fully synthetic naman di masyado nag change ang lapot kahit malamig o mainit.

Yes sir, very true po.

[midnytwarrior]

Yes sir.
I just noticed in my official receipts that 20w50 mineral oil is used in the casa pms of my vios. I just would like to understand the disadvantages of using this oil since my 15K pms is scheduled this weekend. If there is an option to use a better grade but similarly priced or justifiably more expensive oil without voiding my warranty, then I would request that to my Service Advisor.
If no other options, then I might really have no option at all but to use the same oil in my successive pms and wait for the warranty expiration to use better oil.
I have a fairly low mileage car and my practice is to change oil every 5K kms or 6 months whichever comes first.

What is the disadvantage if the oil is less viscous during high temp? Isn't this good since parts are more fluidic in a less viscous environment? Kindly clarify if my logic is incorrect.

Thanks

Ano pala year model ng vios mo?

If you check the owner's manual eh there is option to use a better grade. So pwede ka mag request sa SA mo ng specific na oil na recommended sa sasakyan. Similar to what I did when I brought my car for 1st PMS.

Available po sa Toyota ang fully synthetic 5W-40 API SN. Nasa 600php/L sya.

Now bakit nga ba natin need ng synthetic oil? May mga ilang factors kasi:
1. Driving Habits - tulad dyan sa atin, repeated short distances (yun tipong pupunta lang sa talipapa), stop and go traffic, prolonged idling and hinde pag maximize sa saksayan.
2. Weather/environment - heat, humidity, dust and esp dyan sa atin maraming old diesel engines na hinde na efficient ang combustion kaya nasasagap ng makina yun mga dumi na yan.
3. Type of fuel used - yun quality ng petrol o diesel fuel na ginagamit.
4. Pagka engineer o gawa nun engine - umabot sa punto na misan talagang required lang sa engine ang synthetic oil.

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Yes sir.
I just noticed in my official receipts that 20w50 mineral oil is used in the casa pms of my vios. I just would like to understand the disadvantages of using this oil since my 15K pms is scheduled this weekend. If there is an option to use a better grade but similarly priced or justifiably more expensive oil without voiding my warranty, then I would request that to my Service Advisor.
If no other options, then I might really have no option at all but to use the same oil in my successive pms and wait for the warranty expiration to use better oil.
I have a fairly low mileage car and my practice is to change oil every 5K kms or 6 months whichever comes first.

What is the disadvantage if the oil is less viscous during high temp? Isn't this good since parts are more fluidic in a less viscous environment? Kindly clarify if my logic is incorrect.

Thanks

Ano pala year model ng vios mo?

If you check the owner's manual eh there is option to use a better grade. So pwede ka mag request sa SA mo ng specific na oil na recommended sa sasakyan. Similar to what I did when I brought my car for 1st PMS.

Available po sa Toyota ang fully synthetic 5W-40 API SN. Nasa 600php/L sya.

Now bakit nga ba natin need ng synthetic oil? May mga ilang factors kasi:
1. Driving Habits - tulad dyan sa atin, repeated short distances (yun tipong pupunta lang sa talipapa), stop and go traffic, prolonged idling and hinde pag maximize sa saksayan.
2. Weather/environment - heat, humidity, dust and esp dyan sa atin maraming old diesel engines na hinde na efficient ang combustion kaya nasasagap ng makina yun mga dumi na yan.
3. Type of fuel used - yun quality ng petrol o diesel fuel na ginagamit.
4. Pagka engineer o gawa nun engine - umabot sa punto na misan talagang required lang sa engine ang synthetic oil.

[dos2]

Ano pala year model ng vios mo?

Oct 2013 sir nabili, gen3 1.3 E AT. Thanks

[midnytwarrior]

Oct 2013 sir nabili, gen3 1.3 E AT. Thanks

So as per the the manual pwede ka ata gumamit ng 5W-30.

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Oct 2013 sir nabili, gen3 1.3 E AT. Thanks

So as per the the manual pwede ka ata gumamit ng 5W-30.

[bloowolf]

Yes sir.
I just noticed in my official receipts that 20w50 mineral oil is used in the casa pms of my vios. I just would like to understand the disadvantages of using this oil since my 15K pms is scheduled this weekend. If there is an option to use a better grade but similarly priced or justifiably more expensive oil without voiding my warranty, then I would request that to my Service Advisor.
If no other options, then I might really have no option at all but to use the same oil in my successive pms and wait for the warranty expiration to use better oil.
I have a fairly low mileage car and my practice is to change oil every 5K kms or 6 months whichever comes first.

What is the disadvantage if the oil is less viscous during high temp? Isn't this good since parts are more fluidic in a less viscous environment? Kindly clarify if my logic is incorrect.

Thanks

Being less viscous, fully synthetic (fs) oils protect the metal parts of your engine from start-up since it flows through better than the thicker Mineral. During high temp, with min oil getting thinner, there is metal to metal contact, hence engine wear. FS oils maintain their viscosity better over a varied temp range than min oil. You also do not have to change the oil frequently with min oil.

[bloowolf]

Correction, you do not have to change the oil frequently with FS

[fireice2]

Correction, you do not have to change the oil frequently with FS

Fear appeal lang naman ginagawa ng mga casa para change oil every 3k-5k km kahit fully synthetic gamit.

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Correction, you do not have to change the oil frequently with FS

Fear appeal lang naman ginagawa ng mga casa para change oil every 3k-5k km kahit fully synthetic gamit.

[dos2]

So as per the the manual pwede ka ata gumamit ng 5W-30.

Thanks, will also check the manual before my pms.

Being less viscous, fully synthetic (fs) oils protect the metal parts of your engine from start-up since it flows through better than the thicker Mineral. During high temp, with min oil getting thinner, there is metal to metal contact, hence engine wear. FS oils maintain their viscosity better over a varied temp range than min oil. You also do not have to change the oil frequently with min oil.

Well that makes sense, a thinner oil makes the engine more prone to metal to metal contact. Thanks

[newtocar]

di kaya medyo malabnaw ang 5W30 considering nasa tropical country tayo?

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di kaya medyo malabnaw ang 5W30 considering nasa tropical country tayo?

Dito sa Saudi ginagamit din yan 5W30, siguro naman mas mainit dito kumpara jan sa pinas.

[StockEngine]

Well that makes sense, a thinner oil makes the engine more prone to metal to metal contact. Thanks

Even 0w16(honda uses this now on the earthdreams engine in north america) or 0w20 oils can protect engines at high temperature. Once engine oil is circulating, friction is reduced significantly. There is no metal to metal contact. There is a film of oil between metals. If there is metal to metal contact, that only means there is no engine oil or no oil circulation

[Ry_Tower]

Even 0w16(honda uses this now on the earthdreams engine in north america) or 0w20 oils can protect engines at high temperature. Once engine oil is circulating, friction is reduced significantly. There is no metal to metal contact. There is a film of oil between metals. If there is metal to metal contact, that only means there is no engine oil or no oil circulation

As long as it is really a FS oil, I think puwede. Oil technlogy is really great nowadays. Group II acting as synthetic, Group III acting as FS and marketed aggresively whether true or not and true FS just getting better and better.

Kaso we need newer cars din para makuha yung benefit nung mga latest technological advancement hehehe.