anti-smoke emission and fuel-saving device

[eco]

all i can say is that i see contradictions in your posts.

this is so funnny:

But I am answering you in my capacity as another person, not as a moderator.

[yebo]

eco,

who is saying you are mr alegre??? i assumed at first you were, but since my 2nd post i have already said that "i assumed you were mr alegre" and therefore had acknowledged the fact that you are NOT mr alegre! can't understand simple english?

answer the questions or ask someone from your company who can. simple lang yan.

[mazdamazda]

and please, i don't need to satisfy your conceited 'knowledge' on your so-called engineeering profession because the product has been tested enough by experts in dost, autoplus, academe, and denr. moreover, we were brave enough to subject the EGO device to an actual demo before the eyes of the media i.e. abs-cbn, nbn4, and gma 7.

as what have been said. the tests conducted is inconclusive and is lacking. simply because it only shows the percentage reduction and not the quantity reduction of emmission. you don't need to be an engineer to understand that.

another, our government is still not up to par to the current standards that the other countries are using. do we conduct rolling-car tests like what the US EPA is doing? heck, our emmissions tests can be cheated by just leaning out your engine.

and, why aren't the tests conducted on gasoline powered vehicles? why only diesel engines? why only old vehicles? what is the effect of this on newer (1993 and up) vehicles that have EFI, ECU, catalystic converter, etc.?

ngayon, hindi ko na problema kung ang tingin mo sa sarili mo ay parating ikaw lang ang magaling at ang mga agencies na minention ko ay bobo at ang media ay pinanganak na bayaran at walang alam sa engineering. hindi ko maintindihan ang logic mo na kung bakit ang media ay kailangan maging eksperto sa larangan ng mechanical engineering para maging kapanipaniwala ang kanilang report.

are we talking here about our media? please... these are the same people who bought you the water powered car... the angelo dela cruz telenovela... the kris aquino story...

by the way, did the producers of these shows consult with an independent expert on this? how about the auto industry? where's the non-bias of our so-called media?

kung eksperto ka, eh di maghanap ka ng ibang solusyon at mag-imbento ka. kahanga-hanga ang isang arkitekto na naka imbento ng isang imbensyon tulad ng 'EGO' device.

millions of dollar is being spent on R&D by the auto industry to improve fuel economy and engine performance. don't you think that they don't care a damn about fuel economy? how about the hybrid cars that are all the rage in the US? how about the super efficient, yet powerful Euro diesel engines? how about the powerful engines that the japs are making from small displacement engines?

ito na ang huli kong sagot sa ' yo. ayaw na kitang patulan pa!

p.s. ang lakas din pala ng loob mong mag email kay mr. alegre at humingi ng dokumento sa kabila ng pambabastos mo nuon sa kanya!

may you have peace of mind!

i think that you are not up for a healthy discussion of your products here. even amongst ourselves we have disagreements but we always make it a point to not go overboard. if you cannot answer THEIR valid points and questions then maybe you just don't know a damn thing about your product.

isn't it that a salesman knows his product by heart? btw, is the EGO device fitted on your ride?

pasensya na ha, i find your posts so childish. i don't see any logic there. mag-aral ka na rin sa spelling kasi ang daming mali; moderator ka pa mandin and your posts elicit chaos here. bakit hindi pino-police yung mga degrading remarks? 'yan tuloy dahil sa sinimulan mo at ng ilan, napagaya na rin ako.

let me be mean this time.

doc noel bautista, ganito ba ang mga moderators dito?

why resort to pointing out his spelling errors? that isn't connected to what we are discussing here.

why also blame him if you "resorted" to degratory remarks also?

why resort to going to doc noel? can't you take criticisms like a man? if i were you, i would have used that opportunity to consult with mr. alegre and have a technical briefing about your product. then go back here with REAL answers, not just rehashing your website, awards and tests over and over again.

if you haven't noticed, i postulated a theory of how your products work. and yet you didn't even comment about it or seconded it. good thing yebo was able to point out the errors in that. am not even an engineer for crying out loud.

btw, those remarks are just the result of us being left with no answers to our queries.

[the_wildthing]

Come on guys. Relax...

If there's one thing that this product is, it's crap.


Crap! Crap! Crap!

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by eco
all i can say is that i see contradictions in your posts.
this is so funnny:

contradictions? All I see is the contradictions in your mind!

BTW, you haven't answered our questions for real hard data on your product.

You are just avoiding by trying to sidetrack this thread.

BTW2, meron ka wrong spelling.

[pajerokid]

puso niyo mga peeps

Question lang... wasnt this the same device that was dynoed in autoplus? the one with zero performance gains?

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by pajerokid
puso niyo mga peeps

Question lang... wasnt this the same device that was dynoed in autoplus? the one with zero performance gains?

are you sure it was zero or negative performance gains? :evillaugh

[GlennSter]

Originally posted by eco
all i can say is that i see contradictions in your posts.

this is so funnny:

natawa ka talaga?as in?

come on..don't stop...

just talk and let all your emotions out.

im actually enjoying this.

[jim]

excuse me may napansin lang ako........ paano kaya nababawasan yung exhaust emmision eh di ba sa tail-pipe end wineweld itong ECO???? kung nababawasan man saan pumupunta yung excessive emmision???? (hmmmmmmnnnnn baka may napkin na ginamit pang-filter hehehehe)
joking aside saan nga napupunta???????? eh di ba lahat naman lalabas sa exhaust????

:confused:

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by jim
excuse me may napansin lang ako........ paano kaya nababawasan yung exhaust emmision eh di ba sa tail-pipe end wineweld itong ECO???? kung nababawasan man saan pumupunta yung excessive emmision???? (hmmmmmmnnnnn baka may napkin na ginamit pang-filter hehehehe)
joking aside saan nga napupunta???????? eh di ba lahat naman lalabas sa exhaust????

:confused:

This is what we are trying to ask "Mr Eco" to explain in further detail than the advertising "trash" he has so far presented (over & over again).

Of course, if he is hiding the fact the the ECO device really doesn't work, it will be no big surprise to most of us here...

[eco]

i couldn't attach the documents here because this forum can only accommodate a maximum of 102400 bytes.

sayang, i was hoping that i would be able to post the documents here after i had discovered the attach file/browse button.

so mr. ghosthunter, kung gusto mo, ibigay mo email mo.

[eyesman]

mr ghosthunter can the site accept pdf files? if so then that should solve the size upload problem.

or maybe he can email it to you and you can post it for us in case mas kabisado mo mag upload.

thanks

[Tiny]

Hate the fact the Mr. ECO got away with selling his wares in the workshop section.

With no proofs to bolster his claims and an obvious lack of knowledge other than to provide excuses and argue besides the point, I suggest that anyone trying scam be banned from the site and be exposed for who they are.

Mr. ECO advertising section dito, & virtual banawe, dun ka na lang magbenta.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by eco
i couldn't attach the documents here because this forum can only accommodate a maximum of 102400 bytes.

sayang, i was hoping that i would be able to post the documents here after i had discovered the attach file/browse button.

so mr. ghosthunter, kung gusto mo, ibigay mo email mo.

ghosthunter*tsikot.com

[the_wildthing]

OT: Sa inis, napa-rami ang pindot ng Submit. Hehe.

Relax lang, sir ghosthunter.

Malamang sangdamukal na articles lang yan that don't go anywhere near explaining the technology behind the product. Anyway, balitaan nyo na lang kami, or you can forward it to us to make some good bedtime reading.

the_wildthing*email.com

[pajerokid]

eco, you can upload the images in the tsikot galleries, which have unlimited space limits. then link the images to the forums by using the image tags. fyi.

[eco]

thank you mr. ghosthunter. i already sent the documents to your email.

[eco]

Originally posted by pajerokid
eco, you can upload the images in the tsikot galleries, which have unlimited space limits. then link the images to the forums by using the image tags. fyi.

thank you, pajerokid. i already uploaded the documents in the gallery.

[ghosthunter]

Autoplus Dynojet Report
http://tsikot.yehey.com/gallery/show...php/photo/2071

vehicle: Passenger Jeepney with ISUZU C-240 diesel engine

Maximum Power: (at the wheels)
Without ECO device = 31HP
With ECO device = 32.9HP

Power "gain" = 1.9HP at the wheels. :sleep:

How many runs were done per setting? Just one? :question:

Its just that to get a base line for a certain car, three to five dynojet clean runs are needed to get an average of total runs. And then another 3 to 5 runs after a single modification to see accurate readings.

What was the ambient temperature during both tests? It is important to have it noted, even just for records sake. Any good engineer (worth his salt) will know that all experiments must be repeatable for verification purposes.

Any car enthusiats knows that cooler air in the intake means slightly more power from the engine.


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Interesting Reading Material:
How to LIE with a dyno (Sport Compact Car magazine)

The Bullshit Filter (Sport Compact Car magazine)

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:offtopic:
Off-topic: a K&N cone-type cotton filter upgrade costs around P2,000 to P4,000. Power gains around 5HP to 8HP.
:car:

[revoGSX]

yung iba nga tinatanggal yung catalyst converter para mag-gain ng HP, what more kung mag-add ka pa sa dulo exhuast pipe...

on my opinion, the device sold here is just a scam..