anti-smoke emission and fuel-saving device

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by eco
redundant.

thats because I have yet to see anything worthwhile from what you have mentioned. No specific data. No proof.

So... where... is... your... supporting.... documents?

[ghosthunter]

No supporting documents and/or data simply means this is another scam device. Just like the magnets along the fuel line or the non-moving "turbo" fins in the intake or turbo-zet, etc.....

[eco]

Originally posted by ghosthunter
thats because I have yet to see anything worthwhile from what you have mentioned. No specific data. No proof.

So... where... is... your... supporting.... documents?

www.energy-eco.com

if you want additional data, i'll email it to you (i.e. if you want to give me your email address).

[eco]

Originally posted by ghosthunter
No supporting documents and/or data simply means this is another scam device. Just like the magnets along the fuel line or the non-moving "turbo" fins in the intake or turbo-zet, etc.....

hirap sa 'yo post ka ng post dyan at scam ka ng scam eh ang tagal nang inilagay yung link ng site dito. bigay mo email mo kung gusto mo ng documents! kung ayaw mo, di ko na problema yon.

[yebo]

what data, yung results ng emission testing? e di nga valid ang result nun e! exhaust emission testers give HC and CO in percentage of total sample. ang kelangan namin na results yung molal analysis kg HC and kg CO per kg of flue gas!

o baka naman di mo naintindihan ang meaning nyan? post mo dito yang data mo nang kilatisin ko. o yan din yung data ni email sa akin ni alegre?

[delprado]

OT: last month there was 'CEO' promoting his product.. now it's 'ECO'... who's next???...

it could be 'OCE' or 'COE'... lol..

[yebo]

eco,

sagutin mo kasi ang tanong. kung di mo kayang sagutin e ikaw ang wag na mag-post. moderator ng tsikot ang kausap mo (si ghosthunter) kaya kung pwede lang, since pang-10 na post mo pa lang e pagaralan mo muna ang rules ng forum na ito bago ka mag-post ulit ng pang-11.

o di mo lang talaga kayang i-explain sa amin in technical terms yang binebenta mo? salesman na walang alam ka ba at puro turo mo lang sa website pag tinatanong ka?

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by eco
If you’re having problems with smoke emission in your vehicles and want to generate fuel savings by as much as 25% or more in gasoline or diesel, there is this breakthrough device that guarantees in controlling smoke emission and fuel savings.

Yup, a breakthough straight right into your wallets. P3000 to P6000 per device.

Of course, remember the words "as much as 25%" which means you could get much much much lower than 25% gains.... like zero gains.

Proven effective by the DOST, DENR, Autoplus and the academe,

Maybe some links to those DOST & DENR documents might be helpful.

Maybe Autoplus could provide a bigger picture of that dyno test too?

BTW, which academe are you talking about?

the technology, known as the Exhaust Gas Oxidizer (EGO) is a stainless steel device that is installed at the tail-end of the exhaust pipe.

People, note this... Its installed on the END of the MUFFLER

It comes in five models/sizes that suit all sizes of vehicles like cars, vans, jeepneys, trucks, buses, SUVs and pick-ups.

Di lang pang pamilya.. pang sports pa! Wow!

Unlike other existing devices, EGO works on the principle of no-engine-parts-adjustment method, thus, assures motorists of having no adverse effect on the engine.

uh-huh, existing devices like the infamouse turbo-zet or the turbo stormy?

http://www.turbozet.com/

EGO’s outstanding feature of pollution-control, substantial reduction in fuel consumption, power-booster, and zero-maintenance, makes it above other existing technologies.

wow! I'm surprised you didn't include that it could also half your house electric bill which making you loose 20 pounds in a matter of days and get a pimple free skin complexion. And if you call in the next few minutes, you'll include the handy-dandy carry-all bag for free!!

seriously, remember this device is stuck in the end of your muffler.

[quote][b]
Because of this, the EGO device bagged the top prize of the LIKHA AWARD given by the Department of Science and Technology during the recently concluded National Inventors Week.

So where's the link to the article? Usually such are written in one of the leading newspapers like Manila Bulletin, etc. BTW, I also joined the DOST exhibits back in college for three years. We got our faces and exhibits featured in the papers because of our unique exihibits.

If its such a top prize winner, maybe you can upload your article so we can all read it.

This product is highly recommended in the face of the rising costs of fuel. A minimal cost for a lifetime satisfaction!

recommended by whom? YOU? ha!

For more info, you may call 925-3283; 09208506842 or browse the company’s website at www.energy-eco.com or you may email them at energy_eco*edsamail.com.ph

I have browsed your website and found the diagram of how the device is installed. Maybe you can explain how a device stuck on the ass-end of the muffler can increase an engine's power output while increasing fuel efficiency AND cleaner exhaust emissions? So much claims and I dont see ANY hard data. Just a chart from your "emissions" test. Pictures so small, I can hardly make out any words from them.

BTW, the emissions test does not prove anything. In fact its has been shown by other people here that it could be manipulated by the person doing the test itself. A simple adjustment on the carb will result in a leaner running engine which results in a cleaner exhaust... and you pass the emissions test.

Another way is the device mixes outside air with the exhaust gasses before it reaches the emissions sniffer... of course thats been explained by another person here.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by eco
hirap sa 'yo post ka ng post dyan at scam ka ng scam eh ang tagal nang inilagay yung link ng site dito. bigay mo email mo kung gusto mo ng documents! kung ayaw mo, di ko na problema yon.

why email me?... why not post it here so everyone can read your "documents"?

Not my problem dude... you're the one trying to sell your product.

[eco]

Originally posted by yebo
what data, yung results ng emission testing? e di nga valid ang result nun e! exhaust emission testers give HC and CO in percentage of total sample. ang kelangan namin na results yung molal analysis kg HC and kg CO per kg of flue gas!

o baka naman di mo naintindihan ang meaning nyan? post mo dito yang data mo nang kilatisin ko. o yan din yung data ni email sa akin ni alegre?

mr seguerra o kung sino mang taga qatar,

those data came from LTO, Autoplus, DENR. i cannot be technical here 'cause am not an engineer (again, don't suspect me as mr. alegre because am honestly not.). kung gusto mo, eh di mag demo na lang sa harap mo kung matapang kang makiharap kay mr. alegre.

and please, i don't need to satisfy your conceited 'knowledge' on your so-called engineeering profession because the product has been tested enough by experts in dost, autoplus, academe, and denr. moreover, we were brave enough to subject the EGO device to an actual demo before the eyes of the media i.e. abs-cbn, nbn4, and gma 7.

ngayon, hindi ko na problema kung ang tingin mo sa sarili mo ay parating ikaw lang ang magaling at ang mga agencies na minention ko ay bobo at ang media ay pinanganak na bayaran at walang alam sa engineering. hindi ko maintindihan ang logic mo na kung bakit ang media ay kailangan maging eksperto sa larangan ng mechanical engineering para maging kapanipaniwala ang kanilang report.

kung eksperto ka, eh di maghanap ka ng ibang solusyon at mag-imbento ka. kahanga-hanga ang isang arkitekto na naka imbento ng isang imbensyon tulad ng 'EGO' device.

ito na ang huli kong sagot sa ' yo. ayaw na kitang patulan pa!

p.s. ang lakas din pala ng loob mong mag email kay mr. alegre at humingi ng dokumento sa kabila ng pambabastos mo nuon sa kanya!

may you have peace of mind!

[eco]

ghosthunter,

so what can i say to your post? Nonsense!

you can see the news articles at the website. i wonder if i can upload the scanned copies of documents here.

pasensya na ha, i find your posts so childish. i don't see any logic there. mag-aral ka na rin sa spelling kasi ang daming mali; moderator ka pa mandin and your posts elicit chaos here.
bakit hindi pino-police yung mga degrading remarks? 'yan tuloy dahil sa sinimulan mo at ng ilan, napagaya na rin ako.

let me be mean this time.

doc noel bautista, ganito ba ang mga moderators dito?

[yebo]

and still you fail to answer any of my questions!

you expect people to take your so called proof without explanations? ano kala mo sa amin mangmang na gaya mo? kung ayaw mong matanong ka, wag ka mag-claim ng hindi mo kaya suportahan! wala ba kami karapatan magtanong?

hindi ako conceited sa aking profession. tinatayuan ko lang ang aking sumpa na itataguyod ko ang kapakanan ng mga tao na aking pinaglilingkuran. kung ang isang doctor ay may sumpang gagamutin ang may sakit, at ang abogado ay may sumpa na ipagtatanggol ang kanyang client, kaming mga inhenyero ay may sumpa na magtanong kung ang isang bagay na ipinagbibili sa bayan ay tulad ng sinasabi ng nagbebenta. di mo kaya yang logic na yan?

at hindi ako si seguera. at wala ako sa qatar.

p.s. ang lakas din ng loob mo na kumbinsihin kaming bumili ng isang bagay na ikaw mismo na nagbebenta e di mo alam kung ano o paano gumagana.

hindi ko binastos si alegre, tinanong ko sya ng tunkol sa invention nya na hindi nya masagot. paikot-ikot ang sagot nya, inililigaw sa topic. panay lang sales talk ang ginawa.

may you rest in peace.

[mbt]

eco,

with all due respect, i've reviewed this thread and found nothing in dire need of moderation. what are you fulminating about the moderators here?

i believe ghosthunter merely disagrees with your points of view. i don't see how that amounts to bad moderation. i hope you don't expect tsikot moderators to baby posters who demand some bit of critical evaluation. finally, i certainly hope you don't expect the moderating team to kiss the ass of whoever poster as a sign of goodwill and eternal gratitude to him or her.

yebo raises counterpoints to your points. now if you can't see past that and have nothing to argue besides ad hominems on the moderating team, well then,... i suppose it speaks of your product and your sales staff as much as it does of us in your view.

why don't you review this thread again. you offer a product, and people discuss it, and some wish a few honest questions to be answered. with no direct answers, you resort to crying that the moderator is persecuting you, no doubt in a grand abuse of power? jeez.

yebo,

sa tingin ko nasasaktan ang damdamin ni mr. eco sa pamamaraan mo ng pananalita. please allow me to edit your posts to make them addresses properly befitting royalty.

[orly_andico]

mr eco,

here's a very simple way to put this matter to rest. tell your mr alegre to offer a SIX MONTH RETURN WARRANTY. kung sa akin lang, i'd take you up on your offer eh (6km/L lang mileage ko on my gas guzzler). pero hindi ako magbibitiw ng 6000 pesos on the basis of your claims.

If your mr alegre is THAT confident of the functionality of his device, he SHOULD be willing to offer a money-back guarantee. kasi pag wala yun, we just have to believe you and plunk down our 6000. malaki-laki na rin yun, mahirap na buhay ngayon.

seriously --- i could REALLY use a gas-saving device. kahit siguro 1 month return lang, bibilin ko na. What say you and mr alegre?

[GlennSter]

after all has been said....

conclusion:

[yebo]

royalty? ah ganun po ba? ok.


mahal na kamahalang eco, pwede po bang paki-sagot mo yung tanong ko your royal highness.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by eco
ghosthunter,

so what can i say to your post? Nonsense!

you can see the news articles at the website. i wonder if i can upload the scanned copies of documents here.

pasensya na ha, i find your posts so childish. i don't see any logic there. mag-aral ka na rin sa spelling kasi ang daming mali; moderator ka pa mandin and your posts elicit chaos here.
bakit hindi pino-police yung mga degrading remarks? 'yan tuloy dahil sa sinimulan mo at ng ilan, napagaya na rin ako.

let me be mean this time.

doc noel bautista, ganito ba ang mga moderators dito?

You are diverting the topic.

All we ask is you to post the HARD data for the product called ECO.

If all you can say is how many words I spelled wrong, you are just nitpicking and avoiding to answer anything worthwhile.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by eco
mr seguerra o kung sino mang taga qatar,
ito na ang huli kong sagot sa ' yo. ayaw na kitang patulan pa!

Thats because you haven't answered a single question he has been asking you that hasn't been found in your first message posted in this thread.

[eco]

i cannot be technical here 'cause am not an engineer (again, don't suspect me as mr. alegre because am honestly not.).

kailangan pa bang ulit-ulitin 'yan?

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by eco
ghosthunter,
so what can i say to your post? Nonsense!

That's facinating because that's the same conclusion I have about your messages (and this entire thread).

you can see the news articles at the website. i wonder if i can upload the scanned copies of documents here.

Let me tell you a secret. Yes, you can upload your scanning documents (etc) and even attach it to one of your messages here.

pasensya na ha, i find your posts so childish. i don't see any logic there. mag-aral ka na rin sa spelling kasi ang daming mali;

Such a weak comeback, trying to strike at me at a personal level. Why kaya?

moderator ka pa mandin and your posts elicit chaos here.

this could have been avoided if you have answered our questions for your product.

bakit hindi pino-police yung mga degrading remarks? 'yan tuloy dahil sa sinimulan mo at ng ilan, napagaya na rin ako.

I think we police ourselves pretty well. No foul language, no flame wars, etc. And I am just answering your messages.

let me be mean this time.

okay.

doc noel bautista, ganito ba ang mga moderators dito?

I think the other mods have answered this....

But I am answering you in my capacity as another person, not as a moderator.