Chevrolet Captiva [Merged]

[beachaholic]

basta beachaholic kahit ano pa makita mo hindi recommended dalhin sa beach yan

well ya, we own a pick up naman so this suv is for city driving lang talaga, and the roads here in the city are cemented...its not that rural as u think hehe

[beachaholic]

From the top of my mind I wouldnt advise the Captiva based on the experiences of Chevy owners plus resale and parts will pretty much tie you down to a few sources only.

the Hyundai Sta. Fe seems to be a better option in terms of quality, performance and resale. Or a Toyota Fortuner/Ford Everest. Another sturdy choice would be the Montero Sport; too bad it doesnt have the 3rd seat option.

actually my first choice is montero sport, i really love how it looks... plus the masculine look of it, sporty, but they said nag stop na daw production wen i called up mitsubishi, they dont have it in showrooms na daw?

[beachaholic]

since you are based there and i guess u will do some travelling, then i guess you shouldnt get a car. mas limited kasi ang mapupuntahan ng cars in my opinion. korean cars have improved a lot. i own a kia carnival at wala akong reklamo nito. i frequent bxu since my wife is from there. im based in cdo. my wife uses the van most of the time.

my choice will always be a pick up for its versatility pero hindi kasi pang babae ito. an suv would be fine but i would buy 1 that has good aftersales service. aftersales service would include parts needed when repairs come.

cebu? mag sinulog ka didto madam?

be in cebu to get my ride, hopefully pag uwi ko my bitbit na ako...and for the sinulog na rin

[DragonHeart]

the santa is nice as well, but the thing is ung service center nya is knda farther than my city and i think mas madaling mdressup ung captiva than the sta. fe, and ung +points sa captiva is u can avail a 3rd row seat, even if mjo masikip its ok kc for short trips lang naman. and the fortuner also HAS a 3rd row seat...mron ba sa sta. fe? thanx

the 3rd row seat is standard on the Santa Fe and what is nice about their third row seat is that it fold flat on the floor, unlike the fortuner where it folds to the side limiting your cargo space... for those who don't know it they will think that the Santa Fe has no 3rd row seat kasi nakatago... with the Captiva I don't know how their 3rd row seat looks like, also is it original GM/original seat of the Captiva? Does it fold flat? One thing I like about the Santa Fe is that it big and roomy inside, and the seats are very comfortable for long drives... all the passengers that ride in my Santa Fe always fall asleep, they say its too comfortable they can't help it...

[AG4]

with the Captiva I don't know how their 3rd row seat looks like, also is it original GM/original seat of the Captiva? Does it fold flat? One thing I like about the Santa Fe is that it big and roomy inside, and the seats are very comfortable for long drives... all the passengers that ride in my Santa Fe always fall asleep, they say its too comfortable they can't help it...

Haven't seen one with a 3rd row seat. but I just heard that there's one available for around P28K+. (P1.299M + P28K = P1.327M)

Here are pics from the internet:


With the 3rd row folded flat into the floor

The extra room under the Captiva's cargo floor is actually for the 3rd row seats, since the Captiva was really designed to have optional 3rd row seats.
I'm just not sure if seatbelts are available here for the 3rd row.

Of course the 3rd row seats in compact/mid-size SUVs are usually not as comfortable as those on similar sized MPVs.

beachaholic, do you really need a 7-seater SUV?
As far as I know your original choice, the Montero Sport was sold here only as a 5-seater SUV.

PS: Last time I checked the P1.528M Santa Fe CRDi FWD only came with a driver's airbag.
Did they add a passenger's airbag already?

[vinj]

actually my first choice is montero sport, i really love how it looks... plus the masculine look of it, sporty, but they said nag stop na daw production wen i called up mitsubishi, they dont have it in showrooms na daw?

Really? that i did not know. I guess they stopped it when they intro'd the Pajero, New Strada, Outlander, etc... it would be nice though to find a "old stock" new unit if a dealer or Mitsu Phils would still have since this would have a good discount with it if ever. The Montero Sport is still old school diesel so it'll be very reliable even with bad diesel fuel.

A Sta. Fe with upgraded tires and rims would look real good. Plus Hyundai CRDi technolgy is already proven since we have not heard much problems with this.

[Starex_Gold]

Hyundai Santa Fe nalang po kunin nyo. Mas ok yun kaysa Captiva. Pero kung Captiva po ang kukunin nyo, humanda po kayo sa maintenance cost at sa availability ng parts.

[bisoy]

what r u getting in cebu? or pipili ka pa lang? stay away from converted units unless u r a DIY girl

[userfriendly]

The Chevy Venture and the Lumina sold here were made in China by Shanghai GM. Those models were really meant for the Chinese market.

GM models for the RP were really supposed to come from GM Thailand, thats our regional (ASEAN) plant. (Most Chinese models are usually for the Chinese market, I guess they couldn't supply spare parts for GMPh... low priority?)

The Captiva like the Optra and Aveo sedan sold here is sourced from GM Thailand.

I believe Toyota had the same problem with the Japan sourced Echo hatchback, the parts were either expensive or still had to be ordered.

It maybe for the China market. But since GM decided to sell it here, they should support their vehicles and customers with parts. A car or any mechanical device will require maintenace and parts replacement at some point in time.

It is very frustrating from the customers point of view not to have access to parts when needed. Imagine you spend your hard earned cash to buy a car, to your horror, you cant use it because a part you need is not available from both dealer and 3rd party suppliers. We are all car owners here. I'm sure we can all agree that car manufacturers should have ready or supply of parts for our cars. If they dont carry it in their inventory, at least have the option to import it in a reasonable amount of time.

IMO it is not good business practice for a company to leave their customers without support. This contributes to the bad image of the company and the low resale value of their products.

[AG4]

It maybe for the China market. But since GM decided to sell it here, they should support their vehicles and customers with parts.

True.
This could also be one of the reasons why the mainstream GMPh models sold here now are "regional" ASEAN spec models.
It looks like current GMPh President Francis Burdett is taking GMPh into a new direction by integrating GMPh with the rest of the ASEAN region compared to the time when former GMPh President James Lim tried to bring in Shanghai GM models.

Steven Carlisle, president of GM Southeast Asia operations & GM Thailand (left) and GMPh President Francis Burdett (right) during the Captivas introduction at the 1st Philippine International Motor Show.

[chad777]

i would have to recommed that your choice be trimmed down to either Hyundai Sta. FE(my 1st choice) or the Toyota Fortuner. If you consider the Isuzu Alterra an an SUV like the Toyota Fortuner(though the Alterra for me looks like a DMAX with a CAMPERSHELL at the back) then it would be a possible 3rd choice. Sad to say, I dont find the Chevrolet Captiva in my list of recommended choices as it has failed to prove itself in a lot of reviews conducted by motoring websites like the www.whatcar.com in u.k., www.autoweb.com.au -it is known as the HOLDEN CAPTIVA in Australia. I seem cannot erase from my view that this is another DAEWOO product like the OPTRA and the AVEO.

Holden Captiva MaXX
14 February, 2007
Not up with the competition
by Julian Edgar, pics by Holden
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We’ve a longstanding dislike of SUVs being used as everyday passenger cars. Their high centre of gravity, tall tyres and high unsprung weight makes for a ho-hum ride/handling compromise; the large mass and high-drag aerodynamics result in poor fuel consumption. But cars like the Ford Territory, Toyota Kluger and Hyundai Santa Fe have started to change this. The Santa Fe diesel – with its excellent economy and very good value for money – makes an especially persuasive case for this class of car.
Late to the field is the Korean-built Holden Captiva. It may be a recent arrival but in many ways it reminds us of the older type of SUV rather than the new generation. The fuel consumption on test was a woeful 14.5 litres/100km – almost incredibly bad considering that most of the kilometres were at 100 km/h on the highway. (The ADR 81/01 figure is 11.6 litres/100km.) The ride has the lumpy feel of high unsprung weight and the engine – despite being a 167kW 3.2 litre V6 with a 5-speed automatic - struggles to keep the car moving, especially up hills. The seats are uncomfortable and although the MaXX is the most expensive model, switch blanks abound on the dashboard. There’s not even a trip computer – although Holden provides the labelled (non-functional) button.
The engine is Holden’s V6, downsized to 3.2 litres and apparently tuned for the application. It’s a sophisticated and – in this application – smooth and quiet engine. Peak power of 167kW is developed at 6600 rpm, and peak torque is 297Nm at 3200 rpm. But both are much too high revs for this type of heavy vehicle. The engine simply doesn’t have enough torque to pull the weight around with ease.


The Captiva feels powerful only when you cane it off the line, when it revs quietly to the redline, each gear-change resulting in good acceleration. But in normal driving, the gearbox needs to drop back a gear to climb even a slight rise – the sort of gradients that would be easily negotiated by almost any other car in top gear. Up big open-road hills the gearbox logic is appalling – it will hold 4th, drop back to 3rd, change back up to 4th, drop back to 3rd and so on. And all at a constant speed and constant gradient! Up one long hill we counted the gearbox doing this eight times. Yes, you can move the gearlever across to the left and use the ‘box manually but in any current car, the gearbox control logic should make such a move unnecessary.
Like the gearbox, the cruise control doesn’t seem to have been calibrated to suit the application. Very unusually for a car with electronic throttle, the system can be jerky when driving on an undulating road. Then when confronted with a large hill, speed dies away – we switched off the cruise control when the speed had dropped by 15 km/h... And remember, this car has an auto transmission!
It’s important to note that the behaviour described above was with the car quite lightly laden – we can only imagine that with a heavy load, it would be worse.
If handling is just grip then the Captiva is fine. But if handling is feedback and precision, the Captiva is terrible – a very long way behind the Territory. The steering is light and lacks road feel – at speed all drivers new to the car will swing on too much lock and then have to unwind it. Familiarity improves matters slightly but the Captiva always feels large and unwieldy. Lots of body roll is present and the car can move around noticeably in crosswinds. As you’d then expect, the Captiva MaXX is tiring to drive long distances.
If this lack of handling precision was present because an excellent ride had been provided, that might improve matters. But we didn’t like the ride at all. Especially around town at urban speeds, the MaXX bobs and bounces – even this writer’s 2 year old son exclaimed of his own volition that the ride was bumpy, interesting when he’d spent the previous week traversing the same roads in the very firmly suspended Mitsubishi Colt Ralliart and had made no comment! Note that the MaXX has a slightly different suspension tune to the other Captiva models.


The Captiva is a part-time four-wheel drive – drive is normally to the front with the rear wheels brought in automatically as required. The brakes – which need a hefty push - use large ventilated discs at both ends. They have ABS, brake assist and electronic brake force distribution.
Looking around the MaXX it’s easy to reach the assumption that equipment has been stripped from the car. Lift the rear door and you’ll see markings that indicate the presence of a first aid kit and a warning triangle. But look under the indicated panel and nothing will be found – both items are extra-cost accessories... The absence of a trip computer is even more puzzling – it’s available on the LX model but not the more expensive MaXX. Tyres are Dunlop SP Sport on alloys, however the spare is a cheaper Hankook on a steel rim. But included are stability and hill descent controls, electronic stability control, auto recirculation switch, in-dash MP3 compatible 6 CD and electric driver’s seat. Front and curtain airbags are standard.
The dashboard and controls are very similar to the Astra; we found them confusing but an owner would get used to their idiosyncrasies. An orange/black LCD is used as the interface for the radio, semi-auto climate control and main information display. It can be read while wearing polarising glasses. On the test car the air con wouldn’t stay on but needed to be switched every time the car was started. In hot weather the air conditioning was marginal in cooling performance – and no vents are supplied for rear occupants. The chrome trip rings around the instruments sometimes reflect confusing highlights onto the dials and the large silver trim panel on the steering wheel can be distracting.
The front seats are uncomfortable, with a distinct lack of lower back/rear of bum support. The rear seats are fine and have good foot- and head-room. However rear knee-room can be marginal if the front seats are fully back. The rear seats 60/40 fold quickly and easily, giving a flat load space. Build quality appeared good.
The Captiva MaXX lags well behind its opposition. At minimum it needs a tweak in equipment or the AUD$42,990 price, and a major rethink in engine torque development and/or gearing, in auto trans and cruise control logic, and in the calibration of the suspension.

[AG4]

it is known as the HOLDEN CAPTIVA in Australia. I seem cannot erase from my view that this is another DAEWOO product like the OPTRA and the AVEO.

Correction, the Chevrolet Captiva is not like the Optra and Aveo.
The Optra and Aveo are transitional models that started developement before Daewoo became part of GM.
The Captiva was the first GMDAT model developed under the new GMDAT company on GM's latest version of the tried and tested GM Theta platform.
It was designed by GM/Holden designers Michael Simcoe and Max Wolff at GMDAT's design center.


Captiva thread: http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...=24041&page=14

Off-topic:
chad777, the RP market Chevrolet Captiva is similar to the Holden Captiva and not the Captiva Maxx(in the review you posted) which is based on the slightly shorter Opel Antara version.
GMPh does not offer the gas-guzzling V6 version, only the 2.0 VCDi and 2.4i.

The Holden Captiva offers better value than its Opel styled Captiva Maxx twin.

By SUV standards the Captiva is a pretty acceptable drive. That still means it is quite ponderous and vague and endowed with only moderate levels of front-end grip before slides set in. However, it retains its composure pretty well, certainly better than fellow Korean the Hyundai Santa Fe. The ride is a bit soft and blowsy in the front, and it's noticeable the Captiva is still unhappy on a road where there are lots of small irregularities.

-Drive realestatepath.com.au

Both Santa Fe and Captiva get 4-stars at the Euro NCAP.

[chad777]

Car Review - Summary

Chevrolet Captiva 4x4


PRICE: £16,995 - £23,740

TARGET PRICE: £16,345 - £22,829
[SIZE=2]What you should pay for your next new car [/SIZE] FOR The Captiva has immense cabin space, offers huge practicality, and is cheap to buy. It's also well kitted-out. AGAINST Handling is mediocre, and engines are noisy. There's an uncertain feel to the ride quality, too.

[AG4]

What Top Gear UK says about the handling...
Captiva 4X4:

It soaks up bumps and ridges well enough, but the ride can be on the soft side. The steering is nicely weighted and the car takes corners tidily enough as there's very little body roll for an SUV. Just don't expect to take them too fast. Like many of its contemporaries it doesn't have permanent four-wheel drive (and the basic model is two-wheel drive only). However, when the terrain becomes greasy, power is sent to the rear wheels to aid traction.

Santa Fe 4X4:

The chassis doesn't come as quite as much of a happy surprise as the diesel. It's comfortable, but any preconceptions you could have had about body roll and vague steering still stand. Also, the four-wheel-drive system has been altered on this Santa Fe. The old car had a permanent set-up, but the new one uses 'torque on demand'. This means it runs in two-wheel drive most of the time and only sends torque to the rear wheels when electronic sensors detect slip.

I think the best thing is let the buyer check out and test drive each of the choices to find out which vehicle suits him/her better.

[niky]

Did they do the Santa Fe and Captiva at the same time, or did different drivers do them?

Because I agree more with the previous reviews posted... at the last test-drive I attended, the Captiva felt a bit on the stiff-legged side, with steering that washed out into understeer too easily. The Santa Fe, on the other hand, felt soft and supple, with decent handling for a crossover (though not quite as good as the CRV).

[minero]

Im based in surigao city, 2 hours from butuan city

Every 6 months naman ang PM ng sasakyan so dalhin mo na lang for long drives and car mo every 6 months.

[matuva]

From my own point of view, I will rather choose the Santa Fé.

I tried both few months ago, when my wife was looking for a new car, both were turbo diesel ones. What I can reproach the Santa Fé is that it should come with more BHP, as does the Sorento. That said, it's a pleasant SUV.
The captiva immediatly create a great disappointement ; Noisy! I can hear what kind of macadam the road was made of, and the engine is noisy too. This is not acceptable. See, my Chevy Z71 with a 6.5 turbo diesel is 12 years old and is a lot more quiet inside.
The turbo diesel engine of the Captiva is weak.
About the design, the Captiva looks like a composite of a Sorento and a BMW X3.

Finally my wife bought a Suzuki SWIFT and she's very happy with it.

my .02

[leahdc]

check this captiva
http://www.cgiautomotive.com/cars/holden-hsvcaptiva.htm

[beachaholic]

thank you guys for the help, ireally appreciate everything. it was alittle bit too late for me to check some other cars, so i really got the captiva, 4x4 crdi , i was in a hurry coz i need a car ASAP since our car is still with nissan, (anybody who owns a patrol here? grbe, ilang ulit na nasisira ung engine i dnt know which part really, but i think its the fuel injectioon) i hope it wud work out for me. im feeling alittle regret, the unit will be delivered to me tomorrow..i just hope the performance would be good. if it doesnt work out for me and my new ride, then i guess id have to resell it. thanx a lot ;)

[kinyo]

... i hope it wud work out for me. im feeling a little regret, the unit will be delivered to me tomorrow..i just hope the performance would be good. ...

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