Moving Abroad - Why or Why Not?

[minicarph]

i have found the answer to life after all my researching and travels to US, Europe, Asia.

we are all reincarnation.

ba't ka naging Pilipino ngaun sa lifetime mo na'to, kasi yun ang purpose mo maging Pilipino and all along with it, dilapidated tricycles, jeep, third world, corrupt politicians and yun mga ni-rerepack na kunwari Armor All o Nutella pero repacked, I mean even the Nescafe here is repacked. akala mo lang bumibile ka ng international brand. parang Family Mart, I mean ano ba silbe ng Family mart nag-open pa sila kungdi di nila gawin Japan products dito.

Pero ganun eh, ganun ang Pilipinas.

why did you become Filipino? eh kasi pwede pumalpak ka sa past life mo so dito ka dinala sa Philippines, kungdi dapat Norwegian or Swedish ka sana ngaun, one of the happiest people on earth right now.



so what's the take? well, you have to endure it here. if you say migrate to look for a better life, you will be denying your purpose why you became Filipino. so kahit nag-eenjoy ka sa America ka ngaun ng mga fast cars and apple iphone XS, ang next life mo, baka bagsak mo sa India or worst baka maging aso ka.


those Filipinos who migrated. I know that you know what youre feeling. You feel something amiss, somehow you're not fulfilling your purpose even with all the kasosyalan dyan. I suggest umuwi na kayo kasi delikado at baka kung san mapunta ang soul nyo sa next life
sinasayang nyo lang oras nyo dyan sa ibang bansa. we all have like 20-60 years old to fulfill our purpose to the max of our abilities

eh kung andyan kayo sa dyuhan bansa, ummuwi sa apartment nyo stranger, trabaho trabaho bahay, wala kaya makasalimuha kasi nga mga banyaga kapitbahay nyo. wala din sense networking with other Filipino migrants, kasi they themselves are lost.

[travajante]

i have found the answer to life after all my researching and travels to US, Europe, Asia.

we are all reincarnation.

ba't ka naging Pilipino ngaun sa lifetime mo na'to, kasi yun ang purpose mo maging Pilipino and all along with it, dilapidated tricycles, jeep, third world, corrupt politicians and yun mga ni-rerepack na kunwari Armor All o Nutella pero repacked, I mean even the Nescafe here is repacked. akala mo lang bumibile ka ng international brand. parang Family Mart, I mean ano ba silbe ng Family mart nag-open pa sila kungdi di nila gawin Japan products dito.

Pero ganun eh, ganun ang Pilipinas.

why did you become Filipino? eh kasi pwede pumalpak ka sa past life mo so dito ka dinala sa Philippines, kungdi dapat Norwegian or Swedish ka sana ngaun, one of the happiest people on earth right now.



so what's the take? well, you have to endure it here. if you say migrate to look for a better life, you will be denying your purpose why you became Filipino. so kahit nag-eenjoy ka sa America ka ngaun ng mga fast cars and apple iphone XS, ang next life mo, baka bagsak mo sa India or worst baka maging aso ka.


those Filipinos who migrated. I know that you know what youre feeling. You feel something amiss, somehow you're not fulfilling your purpose even with all the kasosyalan dyan. I suggest umuwi na kayo kasi delikado at baka kung san mapunta ang soul nyo sa next life
sinasayang nyo lang oras nyo dyan sa ibang bansa. we all have like 20-60 years old to fulfill our purpose to the max of our abilities

eh kung andyan kayo sa dyuhan bansa, ummuwi sa apartment nyo stranger, trabaho trabaho bahay, wala kaya makasalimuha kasi nga mga banyaga kapitbahay nyo. wala din sense networking with other Filipino migrants, kasi they themselves are lost.

It's kinda odd, but I've long sensed the same fatalism, OB.....like this is a necessary cleansing stop, probably the last one, to prove our worth for the promised. Purgatory can't be a breeze. Escape it now by moving & you'll likey just be a step back, postponing the agony.[emoji14]

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[minicarph]

It's kinda odd, but I've long sensed the same fatalism, OB.....like this is a necessary cleansing stop, probably the last one, to prove our worth for the promised. Purgatory can't be a breeze. Escape it now by moving & you'll likey just be a step back, postponing the agony.[emoji14]

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na-sense mo din ba na kaya lang yun ibang tao binibigyan ng anak kasi hinde nila kaya or they are too coward or too comfort seeking to fulfill their purpose so the son or the daughter will help their redemption. nagkakarun sila ng secondary purpose whereas ang true purpose nila di na nila maitutuloy pa.

napansin ko eto sa matatanda eh, after say like taking of their sons and daughters pag dating nila ng 60 naging grumpy na sila and destroying the lives of their sons and daughters. that is clear manifestation that they failed their true purpose and they blame their kids for not accomplishing that purpose

I tend to believe that this world is a test for all of us. there are so many aids kung at one point mag dark ka, meron ****, meron beer/alak, casino, meron mga 4x4 trucks and sportscars but those are given to us so that we can enjoy for a brief moment and beat the darkside and then continue on with our purpose


i have also observed this sa mga kebigan ko mayayaman, na may tig 1M na relo, 10M na porsche, they feel so empty even if they have an english speaking kid na pumapasok sa international school

sa tingin ko madami mayaman ngaun ang totoong purpose talaga with their talents is to become NGO. and yet they wasted those talents to get rich, not to make a difference like for example magpaligo ng mga katutubo sa isang isolated sa Pilipinas

[_Cathy_]

why did you become Filipino? eh kasi pwede pumalpak ka sa past life mo so dito ka dinala sa Philippines, kungdi dapat Norwegian or Swedish ka sana ngaun, one of the happiest people on earth right now.

Minsan naiinis nga ako pag naiisip ko yan. I really do wish I were born Caucasian.

One more reason why I don't wanna migrate, I'll always be a second class citizen in another country.

[travajante]

Been "HELPless" for a while by choice. Never could find comfort in passing on discomfort. Guess no amount of bleaching can whiten the blue collar.[emoji17]

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[minicarph]

Been "HELPless" for a while by choice. Never could find comfort in passing on discomfort. Guess no amount of bleaching can whiten the blue collar.[emoji17]

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simple lang yan bro. determine the one that you are running away from, i dont know basta alam mo na yan. go face it. im not saying those are the answers. but it could be the first step. if you dont act now, that darkness will creep up to you and you will end up like the so many grown ups we see today, lost and pretending


atsaka nga pala, dont pay too much attention to money. yes money can be a limiter. pero, para sakin kasi experience first utang later.

[travajante]

atsaka nga pala, dont pay too much attention to money. yes money can be a limiter. pero, para sakin kasi experience first utang later.

I can't pay attention to what I can't see.[emoji41]
Pardon our troll talk, guys.[emoji4]



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[minicarph]

ah alam ko na wala ka pa girlfriend? masyado ka poetic magsalita. but dont be mad at me im not attacking. if that is how you want to speak it's fine. its' you. malamang mahilig ka magbasa

ganito na lang, there are two things you can do, elimnate that energy yes that feeling of being so poetic and rhyming baka yan ang nagpipigil sa yo to discover your path. OR sabi ko nga, harness it, it can be your source of true power.

so first, find a jologs girl, punta ka sa mga lugar na hinde mga sosy na malls, sa ermita, sa malate or you fountain dun sa roxas blvd. stay there fine somebody you can love or fall in love with. flower girl, sampaguita girl, prosti bahala ka na. love her. hanggang dyan lang muna hihi

[travajante]

ah alam ko na wala ka pa girlfriend? masyado ka poetic magsalita. but dont be mad at me im not attacking. if that is how you want to speak it's fine. its' you. malamang mahilig ka magbasa

ganito na lang, there are two things you can do, elimnate that energy yes that feeling of being so poetic and rhyming baka yan ang nagpipigil sa yo to discover your path. OR sabi ko nga, harness it, it can be your source of true power.

so first, find a jologs girl, punta ka sa mga lugar na hinde mga sosy na malls, sa ermita, sa malate or you fountain dun sa roxas blvd. stay there fine somebody you can love or fall in love with. flower girl, sampaguita girl, prosti bahala ka na. love her. hanggang dyan lang muna hihi

[emoji1787] Hermit life is bliss, OB. My comfort zone is very limited.[emoji14]

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[jut703]

I had coffee with my friends a few days ago and this was our topic. After all was said, it really boils down to finding where you'll be happiest..

I was operating with the mindset of optimizing opportunities which is why I considered the fact that you get paid more for the same work effort overseas than here.

But it's not all about the money. Yeah sure we probably won't be rich here in the Philippines. But we'd have our basic needs covered and we'd be able to give our future kids good education to help them succeed. Optimal? Probably not. Comfortable? Yes. Happy? Most likely.

In comparison, moving abroad means starting from scratch again and spending a good part of a decade trying to establish yourself in a foreign land. I read more about how it works for doctors taking their residency training abroad and it's arduous, expensive, and lonely for the most part because you'll get sent to far-flung areas that the locals don't want to get sent to.

I realized that my idea of happiness and fulfillment is leading a fairly successful corporate career here, my fiancé being able to set up her own medical practice, and us trying our hand at entrepreneurship somewhere down the road. I'll get to be present at my family and close friends' momentous occasions, and they'll get to be part of our lives as we start our own family later on.

Stuck in the 3rd world? Yeah sure. But if you're happy with it, why not?

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[ray_noel]

I had coffee with my friends a few days ago and this was our topic. After all was said, it really boils down to finding where you'll be happiest..

I was operating with the mindset of optimizing opportunities which is why I considered the fact that you get paid more for the same work effort overseas than here.

But it's not all about the money. Yeah sure we probably won't be rich here in the Philippines. But we'd have our basic needs covered and we'd be able to give our future kids good education to help them succeed. Optimal? Probably not. Comfortable? Yes. Happy? Most likely.

In comparison, moving abroad means starting from scratch again and spending a good part of a decade trying to establish yourself in a foreign land. I read more about how it works for doctors taking their residency training abroad and it's arduous, expensive, and lonely for the most part because you'll get sent to far-flung areas that the locals don't want to get sent to.

I realized that my idea of happiness and fulfillment is leading a fairly successful corporate career here, my fiancé being able to set up her own medical practice, and us trying our hand at entrepreneurship somewhere down the road. I'll get to be present at my family and close friends' momentous occasions, and they'll get to be part of our lives as we start our own family later on.

Stuck in the 3rd world? Yeah sure. But if you're happy with it, why not?

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Nice realization jut! [emoji106]


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[Gumusut_Amige]

I had coffee with my friends a few days ago and this was our topic. After all was said, it really boils down to finding where you'll be happiest..

I was operating with the mindset of optimizing opportunities which is why I considered the fact that you get paid more for the same work effort overseas than here.

But it's not all about the money. Yeah sure we probably won't be rich here in the Philippines. But we'd have our basic needs covered and we'd be able to give our future kids good education to help them succeed. Optimal? Probably not. Comfortable? Yes. Happy? Most likely.

In comparison, moving abroad means starting from scratch again and spending a good part of a decade trying to establish yourself in a foreign land. I read more about how it works for doctors taking their residency training abroad and it's arduous, expensive, and lonely for the most part because you'll get sent to far-flung areas that the locals don't want to get sent to.

I realized that my idea of happiness and fulfillment is leading a fairly successful corporate career here, my fiancé being able to set up her own medical practice, and us trying our hand at entrepreneurship somewhere down the road. I'll get to be present at my family and close friends' momentous occasions, and they'll get to be part of our lives as we start our own family later on.

Stuck in the 3rd world? Yeah sure. But if you're happy with it, why not?

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bro jut, masarap pag-usapan ito over a cup of coffee pag napadpad ka uli dito sa amin.
i can also share personally my 28+ years of working abroad.

[Verbl Kint]

It's hard to stay here and deal with the type of electorate we have, who keep on voting for the same corrupt families over and over again.

Our government will probably not improve and we would have to deal with the usual inefficiency, corruption, incompetence, and downright kabobohan for at least another generation, at least.

And while all this is happening, there is dissonance prevailing everywhere and memories tend to be really short too, hence, we repeat history all over again.


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At some point, all of the above will get to you and impact you and your family's life directly or indirectly. If you're lucky enough to make it to the top 5% before age 50 then good for you, doors will open and you will be insulated from all the flux.

If you honestly take a look at what's around and realize that you won't be part of the 5% in your lifetime, then it's probably far better to go elsewhere. Go to a country where, even if you're not part of the 5%, you still live comfortably enough to seem like it.

[jut703]

bro jut, masarap pag-usapan ito over a cup of coffee pag napadpad ka uli dito sa amin.
i can also share personally my 28+ years of working abroad.

That's an awesome suggestion bro. I'll drop by sometime soon, looking forward to picking up a thing or two from your wisdom and experience. [emoji106]

It's hard to stay here and deal with the type of electorate we have, who keep on voting for the same corrupt families over and over again.

Our government will probably not improve and we would have to deal with the usual inefficiency, corruption, incompetence, and downright kabobohan for at least another generation, at least.

And while all this is happening, there is dissonance prevailing everywhere and memories tend to be really short too, hence, we repeat history all over again.


* * *


At some point, all of the above will get to you and impact you and your family's life directly or indirectly. If you're lucky enough to make it to the top 5% before age 50 then good for you, doors will open and you will be insulated from all the flux.

If you honestly take a look at what's around and realize that you won't be part of the 5% in your lifetime, then it's probably far better to go elsewhere. Go to a country where, even if you're not part of the 5%, you still live comfortably enough to seem like it.

Choosing to stay means accepting the reality that our government sucks and most voters do to. You just have to be shielded from government policy by having enough safety nets of your own.

As you've said, you just have to be in the upper socio economic classes. To be part of SEC AB or the top 1% of households (or the top 200,000 households), you just need a monthly income of about 150k. It's not an exorbitant number but given how majority of Filipinos are poor, it's enough to put you in the upper 1%. I'm sure most people in this forum are part of that 1%.



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[Gumusut_Amige]

That's an awesome suggestion bro. I'll drop by sometime soon, looking forward to picking up a thing or two from your wisdom and experience. [emoji106]

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*bro jut, please pm me first before dropping by... a bit of unforeseen hiccup that trickle-down my 14/14 cycle right now.
will let you know once my countdown is set.

[Verbl Kint]

Stumbled upon this interesting infographic outlining how NEDA classifies people into A-B-C-D-E. Turns out it's not just your household income (otherwise a lot of people will be AB).



It's a rather subjective classification with some weird quirks such as:

- If you're not from the top universities, you can't be AB
- If your car is more than 5 yrs old, you can't be AB



Around .6% of Filipinos aged 18-53 are considered Class AB – Asintunado

Turns out even market research firms like Nielsen, SWS, and Pulse Asia use similar definitions.

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[jut703]

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What's your point? We were only talking about income percentiles.

Going back to the NSCB FIES survey, factoring in other qualitative indicators, you're considered high-income if:

1) Household income is 200k/month
2) You have 3 or more cars
3) You have 3 or more aircons
4) Household head is a top corporate executive, businessman, or politician
Defining who's rich: How rich is "rich" in the Philippines? - PinoyMoneyTalk.com


This definition of the NSCB is more accurate than the outdated (and terribly subjective) metric of NEDA.

And again, quite a lot of people in this forum qualify for the high-income indicators stated above.

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[Ry_Tower]

Ah basta ako C lang. Pero happy pa din ako.

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[MR_BIG18]

Ah basta ako C lang. Pero happy pa din ako.

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Yun ang buttom line...."happy"

[jut703]

Ah basta ako C lang. Pero happy pa din ako.

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Yun ang buttom line...."happy"

Exactly bros! Doon tayo kung saan tayo masaya. [emoji106]

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