Moving Abroad - Why or Why Not?

[Ry_Tower]

^^ that's why some pinoy immigrants invite and bring over their parents for months at a time just to look after their kids.

Karamihan ng kakilala ko ganyan nga ginagawa. Yung iba wala talaga anak.

[GTcervan]

May winter ba sa Australia? Isa din kasi na factor yun kung san kelangan mo mag-adjust if it is present pero hindi naman palaging ganun.

Sa una, akala ng iba masaya at madali lang pag winter na. Pero once na magtagal yun, mare-realize mo na nagdudusa ka pati mga kasama mo dahil mahirap din pala kung ganun kalamig araw araw.

Mangyayari niyan kadalasan nasa bahay ka lang nagpapainit ng katawan gamit yung heater ng aircon or yung bonfire kung meron atsaka patong patong ang damit mo pero ramdam mo parin ang lamig. GG pa lalo once makaramdam ka ng frostbite na masakit sa apektadong parte ng katawan at magiging mahirap pang igalaw pag ganun.

Pag lalabas ka naman, you will have to shove snow out of your driveway pa or else, di mo malalabas yung car mo outside. Possible din na ma-stuck kasi madulas ang kalye.

Kaya in some sort of way, parang naiisip ko na blessing na din yung season na parang tulad lang din ng satin, which is tag-init at tag-ulan lang, kasi wala kang aasikasuhing season na maraming pagbabago like winter nga. Pero it is nice to experience that parin kahit once lang.

[jojopad]

May winter ba sa Australia? Isa din kasi na factor yun kung san kelangan mo mag-adjust if it is present pero hindi naman palaging ganun.

Sa una, akala ng iba masaya at madali lang pag winter na. Pero once na magtagal yun, mare-realize mo na nagdudusa ka pati mga kasama mo dahil mahirap din pala kung ganun kalamig araw araw.

Mangyayari niyan kadalasan nasa bahay ka lang nagpapainit ng katawan gamit yung heater ng aircon or yung bonfire kung meron atsaka patong patong ang damit mo pero ramdam mo parin ang lamig. GG pa lalo once makaramdam ka ng frostbite na masakit sa apektadong parte ng katawan at magiging mahirap pang igalaw pag ganun.

Pag lalabas ka naman, you will have to shove snow out of your driveway pa or else, di mo malalabas yung car mo outside. Possible din na ma-stuck kasi madulas ang kalye.

Kaya in some sort of way, parang naiisip ko na blessing na din yung season na parang tulad lang din ng satin, which is tag-init at tag-ulan lang, kasi wala kang aasikasuhing season na maraming pagbabago like winter nga. Pero it is nice to experience that parin kahit once lang.

Yup may winter season pero walang snow, starts on May then the coldest months is July or August.

Summer season which starts on December can get really hot, even hotter than PH! So compared to PH, Australia's weather is either really cold or damn hot. Except for the rainy monsoon season, PH's tropical weather is comfortable.

[StockEngine]

I'd say go. there is a financial upgrade if there is any. and if done right retirement comes sooner. some pinoys become lonely abroad because they dont know how to make friends.

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[jut703]

I'd say go. there is a financial upgrade if there is any. and if done right retirement comes sooner. some pinoys become lonely abroad because they dont know how to make friends.

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Bro can you paint me a picture of how much better it will be abroad? I'm just curious because it's really unknown territory for me.

I checked annual salaries of doctors there - around 700k pesos/month. Locally I am forecasting around 300-500k/month.

As for me, I don't see much upside moving there. I have a decent job here. If we move within the next year, my education and work experience will count for nothing. I'll end up with an entry level job.

If I wait until I get an expat role and request for AU, that will be around 5-10 yrs from now. By that time my fiance will be done with her residency training and it's much harder to enter as a specialized doctor as opposed to having your residency there.

My uncle was a pediatrician here but never got to practice when they migrated to Australia and he ended up as a first responder there instead. So even the medical path can be risky.

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[jojopad]

Bro can you paint me a picture of how much better it will be abroad? I'm just curious because it's really unknown territory for me.

I checked annual salaries of doctors there - around 700k pesos/month. Locally I am forecasting around 300-500k/month.

As for me, I don't see much upside moving there. I have a decent job here. If we move within the next year, my education and work experience will count for nothing. I'll end up with an entry level job.

If I wait until I get an expat role and request for AU, that will be around 5-10 yrs from now. By that time my fiance will be done with her residency training and it's much harder to enter as a specialized doctor as opposed to having your residency there.

My uncle was a pediatrician here but never got to practice when they migrated to Australia and he ended up as a first responder there instead. So even the medical path can be risky.

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Do you have relatives or friends living at Australia? I think they're the best one to consult with. I know some friends, couples/singles/family, who took the risk of getting a better life at Australia. So far all of them are doing well now as middle income earners. They told me it can be difficult for the first 3 years. I know someone who can't even find a job for a year but eventually the hard work paid off. For those who are picky with jobs, it can be tough. You can't afford to be choosy as an immigrant unless your job is among those in top demand.

There's less risk for childless couples and singles compared to a family migrating to another country. Less dependents the easier to manage the expenses.

[Egan101]

Winter can be depressing especially if it is longer than usual. In the northeast US, it can be snowy from November to April. Not to mention, it can get really cold, like -30*F.

On the bright side, you can do skiing or snowboarding or sledding during winter. Skiing is really fun.


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[GTcervan]

Winter can be depressing especially if it is longer than usual. In the northeast US, it can be snowy from November to April. Not to mention, it can get really cold, like -30*F.

On the bright side, you can do skiing or snowboarding or sledding during winter. Skiing is really fun.


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Yes, some activities that can exist in winter, not to mention building a snowman or throwing a snowball that can start a snowfight could be fun too for younger people. Would be really appreciated if snow exists without hassling many people or their lives but that's how it is.

[dr. d]

"snow is for kids."
when furriners get winter-crazy, they come to our tropical land and bathe in the sun.

[dr. d]

I've been ruminating on this idea for a few months now - my fiance and I can move to Australia, she can have her medical specialization there and I can work in our company's Australia office (or worst case I can find other jobs there). Then eventually have a family there and live a first-world life.

We've parked the idea and decided to just proceed with our lives here in the Philippines - I stay at my corporate job while my fiance finishes residency, then when she has stable income as a consultant, we can perhaps dabble into business.

But then I thought, what if I'm dreaming too small?

I had dinner with my college friends last night and one of my best buds is moving to the Netherlands on a permanent international assignment (local hire) for an FMCG multinational. He's planning to bring his girlfriend there too and propose, then live their married life there and eventually have kids. Another friend is waiting for his expat assignment in Singapore before settling down and popping the question.

The biggest benefit I see with living abroad is that our kids will have much more opportunities growing up. A first-world passport and first-world education will bring them places. And while the first few years of immigration are definitely gonna be hard, once you get established, you live a fairly easy first world life. Plus, doctors earn mega big bucks in Australia.

One drawback is the distance from family, but if you have a comfortable income, you can fly back to the Philippines several times a year anyway. A bigger concern is the risk - it's expensive to move, take the medical certification exam, find a job, and so on.

Anyway, for those who've tried living abroad, or have considered doing so - hope you can share your insights so I can have a better idea of everything that needs to be considered. Thanks!




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if you want to go, go now!
while you still do not have roots nor children.

errr... the australian medical culture is british. we here in the phils is american. it's easier for the young medical practitioner to transplant, while still early in the game.

[Egan101]

if you want to go, go now!
while you still do not have roots nor children.

Very true. It gets harder once you have a child or children. There are a lot more considerations.


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[dreamur]

Seriously jut, if you have the chance, go for it. You are still young and there is room to make mistake and there is enough time to recover. With your skills and credential, you can easily get a good paying job if you decide to come back.

I regret the day I decided not to pursue my papers for fear of getting out of my comfort zone. So many what-ifs left in my mind that I am still inclined to migrate after I retire.

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[jut703]

Seriously jut, if you have the chance, go for it. You are still young and there is room to make mistake and there is enough time to recover. With your skills and credential, you can easily get a good paying job if you decide to come back.

I regret the day I decided not to pursue my papers for fear of getting out of my comfort zone. So many what-ifs left in my mind that I am still inclined to migrate after I retire.

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I don't really have the chance bro. Makikipagsapalaran lang ako kung lilipat ako. I'll be giving up my cushy job in a multinational for absolutely nothing. If I get lucky, maybe I can get a job as a car salesman or whatever entry-level position that probably still doesn't make as much as I make now.

Again, it'll only be a safe gamble if I get an international assignment and then eventually apply for a local posting. But by that time, my fiance will already have rooted her medical practice here. Super hirap nang lumipat for a doctor if you've started somewhere else. So the timing is really not in sync.

I'll be giving up too much if I go. There has to be something so enticing that I will drop everything and leave. Ano nga ba yun?

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[dreamur]

I don't really have the chance bro. Makikipagsapalaran lang ako kung lilipat ako. I'll be giving up my cushy job in a multinational for absolutely nothing. If I get lucky, maybe I can get a job as a car salesman or whatever entry-level position that probably still doesn't make as much as I make now.

Again, it'll only be a safe gamble if I get an international assignment and then eventually apply for a local posting. But by that time, my fiance will already have rooted her medical practice here. Super hirap nang lumipat for a doctor if you've started somewhere else. So the timing is really not in sync.

I'll be giving up too much if I go. There has to be something so enticing that I will drop everything and leave. Ano nga ba yun?

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Politics would be one. 🤣🤣🤣

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[jut703]

Politics would be one. 🤣🤣🤣

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At least dito nakakaboto ako bro. [emoji16]

But seriously - looking at it pragmatically, kahit naman sino maging presidente, pareho lang trajectory ng career ko. Just be water, go with the flow.

Kaya I'm seriously wondering - ano nga ba talaga meron sa first world country na wala dito?

Every time I go abroad, I get amazed by the efficient transpo, clean spaces, first world kaartehan like parks and museums. But those places aren't home. I'm not one of them. My family isn't there. My friends aren't there.

For sure, the Philippines will not be first-world in my lifetime. But at least here, I'm home.

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[AllenR]

here, I'm home.

This sums it up pretty well

[travajante]

At least dito nakakaboto ako bro. [emoji16]

But seriously - looking at it pragmatically, kahit naman sino maging presidente, pareho lang trajectory ng career ko. Just be water, go with the flow.

Kaya I'm seriously wondering - ano nga ba talaga meron sa first world country na wala dito?

Every time I go abroad, I get amazed by the efficient transpo, clean spaces, first world kaartehan like parks and museums. But those places aren't home. I'm not one of them. My family isn't there. My friends aren't there.

For sure, the Philippines will not be first-world in my lifetime. But at least here, I'm home.

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Be where you can be of better service for others, good sir. Real happiness is really where you can give or share more. Home needs good people staying.
Big pic....everything is temporary anyway.[emoji4]

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[CVT]

At least dito nakakaboto ako bro. [emoji16]
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And hoping beyond hope that my vote's weight is directly proportional to my contribution in nation building.

Anyway, we had the same opportunity when our eldest was only a year old. Company transfer, so ready jobs in SiValley.

We wanted our parents to enjoy their grandchildren and the same thing the other way. Both deserve it.

We are because of our choices.

[EQAddict]

Kinda related to Jut's post as any immigrant will need housing....but housing prices in the USA are really going crazy. I wonder if the same will happen to Metro Manila.

Long article but very interesting:

Landless Americans Are the New Serf Class




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[SpinCycle]

Well it’s official, my wife and I are heading to London. Got our Visas last Friday and the deadline to be in the UK is June 6! So little time to prep for the move [emoji28]

Already booked our AirBnB for 3 weeks which we’ll use to search for a long term lease flat.

Now I need to book the plane tickets. Any suggestions based on your experiences from Manila to UK? [emoji1374]


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