E10 Ethanol, bad for your engine & economy? [MERGED]

[roberto_minosa]

I tried seaoil E10 on my carby lancer. pwede naman. just make sure that you have more E10 unblended gas in your tank and you clean your carb regularly.

Pag nasira, mivec swap na.

[SIZE=5]WIN![/SIZE] I'd like a boxy MIVEC.

[radz15]

curious lng ako kung pwede ba yung e10 sa car ko 98 lancer tas carburated pa....

sabi sabi kasi pang 2000 up model lang yung e10...

comments?

suggestions?

[renzo_d10]

If you have a carburated engine. It's not compatible.

[ghosthunter]

curious lng ako kung pwede ba yung e10 sa car ko 98 lancer tas carburated pa....

sabi sabi kasi pang 2000 up model lang yung e10...

comments?

suggestions?

To make life simple for you, carb engines cannot use E10 gasoline.

[radz15]

ahhh ganun po ba... pano kung accidentaly nakargahan ko ng e10 yung auto ko.. pero isang beses lang... may masamang effect na ba agad yun sa engine?

[ghosthunter]

ahhh ganun po ba... pano kung accidentaly nakargahan ko ng e10 yung auto ko.. pero isang beses lang... may masamang effect na ba agad yun sa engine?

Unfortunately yes. You might not notice it but your carb jets will suffer erosion. It might be remedied by cleaning and adjusting.

[radz15]

ohh i see... thanks sa advice mr.ghosthunter... papa check agad yung auto ko sa casa

[bwiseat]

ohh i see... thanks sa advice mr.ghosthunter... papa check agad yung auto ko sa casa

OT: wag na sa CASA sir mahal dun. hehehe!

*radz15: Di nyo ba napansin sir na di maayos ang sunog ng gas/takbo ng car nyo after makargahan ng e10? that should be clear enough proof na di compatible AFAIK.

OT ulet:
*renzo_d10: sir ganda ng bago nateng toyota display pic huh?

[radz15]

mahirap na kasi kung sa tabi tabing talyer lng ipaayos.... marami na kasi akong bad expirience.. pag alam nilang newbie ka sa auto ite-take advantage ka nila... ok na din sa casa kahit mahal sigurado ka naman...

napansin ko lang pag naka stop ako parang nanginginig yung kotse... tapos pag umaandar na smooth naman yung takbo pero yung tunog ng makina parang hindi derecho ung tunog.. parang may nagbabara...

[ajOT]

if im not mistaken E10 fuel are ONLY to be used for vehicle(s) with catalytic converter....

[istan]

Filled my Lancer 2004 w/ E10 Caltex Silver. 1st full tank, ok performance. 2nd full tank, same station...engine shudders on acceleration, hesitates. It worse when its cold.
Question, is it the E10 or something else?
1st full tank ko kasi, theres a little bit of normal unleaded pa inside the tank. 2nd full tank, pure E10 na yun.

[brawlerjack]

mahirap na kasi kung sa tabi tabing talyer lng ipaayos.... marami na kasi akong bad expirience.. pag alam nilang newbie ka sa auto ite-take advantage ka nila... ok na din sa casa kahit mahal sigurado ka naman...

napansin ko lang pag naka stop ako parang nanginginig yung kotse... tapos pag umaandar na smooth naman yung takbo pero yung tunog ng makina parang hindi derecho ung tunog.. parang may nagbabara...

sir baka mababa masyado idling mo kaya nanginginig pag naka stop.. some says na pde daw e10 sa carb. i tried it before sa carb engine ko. okey naman din. pero now hinde na.

[meledson]

If you have a carburated engine. It's not compatible.

And not all EFI engines are E10 compatible.

toyota has announced that all Altis ZZ 2005 and newer are E10 compatible. Older models are not. So our EFI VVTi 2001 ZZ is not E10 compatible

[redeemed]

i'm not quite sure here.... is this true na ang Petron XCS already E10 blend na? nagpagas ako last night dito sa Petron EDSA (near Polymedic), wala namang nakalagay na E10 blend na sya.. or di lang nila nilagyan, para car owners might think it's still E10 free. if ever na meron na, bat ang mahal pa din... it's P45/L!

[duskylim]

Dear Sirs:

Theoretically there are no great problems using ethanol as an octane-enhancer and oxygenate for gasoline.

Practically however, experience is teaching us otherwise.

Ethanol has a relatively higher octane rating, it is less polluting and cleaner-burning than gasoline as well as being non-toxic (some of us even drink it recreationally!).

It has however some drawbacks, having less energy than gasoline for the same volume, thus giving slightly less power and economy.

Also, the vehicle's fuel systems have to be modified to handle it, especially the seals and filters, as ethanol is a better general solvent than gasoline.

But what I believe is causing the great majority of problems for the E10 blend is ethanol's tendency to absorb water from the air - that is, it is Hygroscopic.

As time goes by, it absorbs more and more water from the air, and more and more of the water-contaminated ethanol separates from the original gasoline-ethanol mix, forming a separate layer in your fuel tank that has very poor combustion (burning) characteristics.

This gets worse over time. As the separated mix is drawn into the engine, it causes a massive drop in power and causes the engine to misfire.

Another problem is that, the separated mix tends to carry the more water-soluble deposits, out of the fuel tank and deposit them on the more chemically-reactive exposed metal in the fuel system - like the aluminum, zinc or un-coated steel parts.

These can be seen as a gooey translucent gel that becomes a white, flaky salt-like crust when dry.

These deposits are insoluble in straight gasoline and are very difficult (if not impossible) to remove once exposed to air and hardened.

My advice to those who have these problems is the following:

1) Bear in mind that the water-contamination is a time-dependent process, the longer E10 is exposed to air and stored, the more water it will absorb.

Try to find out when fuel is delivered to your local gas station (ask them) and re-fuel on that day.

This will insure you will get the freshest fuel that has spent the least time in storage and thus will have absorbed the least amount of water.

Don't store fuel in your tank for extended periods, as it is likely to become water-contaminated.

If you do store gasoline for emergencies, store it in an air-tight container.

2) For those who already are suffering from water-contamination, there are several options, all depending on the degree of contamination.

a) Slight contamination can be dealt with by draining the tank and fuel system of the bad fuel and refilling with fresh fuel. Change your fuel filter while your at it.

b) Worse contamination will require more aggressive measures, which may not be approved by the dealer and thus may void your vehicle's warranties.

To clean the tank and fuel system without draining them and make the separated mix dissolve back into the gasoline, one can use an even more aggressive solvent (PM me for more info), which however could damage the fuel lines.

3) If the fuel system becomes completely blocked by deposits, the only thing to do is to clean out the whole system and replace the blocked parts.

Bear in mind that the local oil companies hardly did any significant research of their own in making these blends, and mainly depended on prior experience in the US and Europe of their mother companies.

It is you the unfortunate car owner who is paying the price for all this. Customer care and protection are practically non-existent in this country.

Good Luck and,

Best Regards,

Dusky Lim

[ghosthunter]

I think what would be needed is a revision of the CLEAN AIR Act. It should require that all gasoline stations to have E10 blended gasoline but also have regular blends available as well especially for older cars.

[fourtheboys96]

I think what would be needed is a revision of the CLEAN AIR Act. It should require that all gasoline stations to have E10 blended gasoline but also have regular blends available as well especially for older cars.

that will defeat the purpose of the law. older cars tend to emit more pollutants. why encourage perpetuating their existence? i have an almost 2 decade car but i won't mind not using it because of fuel issues.

as flawed as many of our laws, sometimes us ordinary Filipinos are partly to blame why it doesnt work.

[ghosthunter]

that will defeat the purpose of the law. older cars tend to emit more pollutants. why encourage perpetuating their existence? i have an almost 2 decade car but i won't mind not using it because of fuel issues.

as flawed as many of our laws, sometimes us ordinary Filipinos are partly to blame why it doesnt work.

Eh? Haven't you been reading what have been posted? Using E10 gasoline results in POORER fuel economy because ethanol has a lower energy content than regular gasoline. So, a typical car might end up burning 6km/L (with E10) instead of 7km/L (with regular petrol).

That difference between E10 & regular petrol results in actually MORE pollution per kilometer with use of E10 gasoline.


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The only way ethanol can reduce pollution is if ethanol used for E10 gasoline is locally produced.

But the stocks of ethanol is mostly bought from abroad. We do not have the capacity of produce ethanol in the quantities required by industry without affecting food production and food prices.

Shipping ethanol from abroad results in more pollution because of transportation.


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Maybe even because Auto-LPG users are affected by E10.

Cars fitted with a dual fuel system (LPG/Petrol) don't use gasoline as often so the contents of the tank can be there for weeks to months. If it was regular gasoline, there wouldn't be any issue. I have regular gasoline in my tank for months.

But with E10 that can "spoil" within three to four weeks, resulting in hard start & rough running engine when the spoiled gasoline is used.

One of the popular conversion kits for Auto-LPG is the SGI which is programmed to start with gasoline and switch over to LPG in a couple of minutes of operation.


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The government's solution of using E10 gasoline as the answer to the clean air act is in need of serious study.

The morning smog that covers metro manila is thicker now than years ago.

[ghosthunter]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18162493/

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[fourtheboys96]

i'm actually addressing the issue of older cars. it should not be the reason for putting back regular gasoline (those without ethanol).

anyway, there are pros and cons in using ethanol or biofuels in general. to look at the tail pipe emissions as mere basis for comparison will underestimate potential benefits (or costs for that matter). other sources of benefits for using such fuels maybe high enough to offset costs of additional pollution. and that excess benefit can be used to mitigate additional pollution. in the end, we may have net benefit. again, this is just hypothetical. it may be true, it may not be true.

other than the environment, concerns like the economy especially in relation to jobs are heavily debated upon. and i agree that the Philippines needs to study this matter further.