audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[jhnkvn]

I just want to confirm sir jhnkvn if the JBL MS62 na tinutukoy nyo is the same as the JBL MS62C? Yun kasi nakita ko sa mickey’s na site. The JBL MS62C is actually cheaper than Kappa 60.11CS by P1.1k. That’s a lot of savings (if mickey’s updated those prices). Mas mataas lang sensitivity nang Kappa 60.11CS. Also it says that it’s a marine series, does this mean also that the speaker is water resistant? Anyway, I’ll just download the MS62C pdf product guide for further reading.

I don’t have a deep pocket and I’m not really particular sa brand nung speaker. It’s just that, with my limited knowledge in automotive audio it would be best if I stick to the well known/tested brands backed up by engineering/research, reviews and experts here in tsikot. I also believe that “you always get what you paid for”. If di pa kaya nang budget, I tend to save and research muna (like the 25k retrofit I shell out for my headlights) Kaya plan ko for my audio set up is to do it one at a time.

It really pays to ask questions first, thanks sir jhnkvn

Kung marine series then yes the speaker is water-treated. These are usually installed in harsher environments like boats.

For the 1.1k, it's a coin throw really. Truthfully, I like the JBL MS62C. Its inverted dome tweeter is excellent and non-fatiguing to the ears (one of those dome tweeters that you get right) and inverted domes are inherently great in a small environment like a car due to their dispersion characteristics. Look at Focal and their obsession with it (they're the one who originally patented it). However, the 3dB sensitivity of the Infinity isn't to be scoffed at. That's huge.

[D3nb3r]

Kung marine series then yes the speaker is water-treated. These are usually installed in harsher environments like boats.

For the 1.1k, it's a coin throw really. Truthfully, I like the JBL MS62C. Its inverted dome tweeter is excellent and non-fatiguing to the ears (one of those dome tweeters that you get right) and inverted domes are inherently great in a small environment like a car due to their dispersion characteristics. Look at Focal and their obsession with it (they're the one who originally patented it). However, the 3dB sensitivity of the Infinity isn't to be scoffed at. That's huge.

Actually on paper the Infinity has 93dB sensitivity and 2ohm impedance while the MS62C has 86dB sensitivity and 4ohm impededance. I'll just to sleep it over na lang muna and think which should I get.

Follow up question lang po:
Ok lang ba na 2nd hand amps yung bilhin ko just to save some cash? Nakakita ako nag ad sa olx selling a Blaupunkt GTA 4100 4 channel at 5k.

[enargie]

Sir may I ask for advise for the right size of subwoofer speaker for honda jazz. Since maliit lang naman ang interior nya and I'm more inclined on sq route, would an 8" subs will suffice my need. As of now I already installed 2-way seps powered by my HU only, I'm planning to install an amp to power the seps together with the sub but need to know the ideal size of subs based on the size of my car. Thanks

[markygy]

Sir may I ask for advise for the right size of subwoofer speaker for honda jazz. Since maliit lang naman ang interior nya and I'm more inclined on sq route, would an 8" subs will suffice my need. As of now I already installed 2-way seps powered by my HU only, I'm planning to install an amp to power the seps together with the sub but need to know the ideal size of subs based on the size of my car. Thanks

Wala naman right or wrong size nang subs, it's how much space you have and the space you are willing to give up that will determine the size of the subs. If you're really keen on saving precious boot space, you can make a sealed enclosure around .3-.5 cubft. for a 8 inch subs installed under the rear seats of your Honda Jazz.

[simonzaide]

Guys wheres the best value for money shop to get woodworks done.

[jhnkvn]

Actually on paper the Infinity has 93dB sensitivity and 2ohm impedance while the MS62C has 86dB sensitivity and 4ohm impededance. I'll just to sleep it over na lang muna and think which should I get.

Follow up question lang po:
Ok lang ba na 2nd hand amps yung bilhin ko just to save some cash? Nakakita ako nag ad sa olx selling a Blaupunkt GTA 4100 4 channel at 5k.

Oh right, different nominal impedance pala. If then so, you can't use sensitivity as a general comparison because a lower resistance would generally give you a higher measured decibel.

I also generally support secondhand amplifiers. Truthfully, I find snoopy's amplifiers at KAC's ICE section as a great buy.

[monty_GTV]

Oh right, different nominal impedance pala. If then so, you can't use sensitivity as a general comparison because a lower resistance would generally give you a higher measured decibel.

I also generally support secondhand amplifiers. Truthfully, I find snoopy's amplifiers at KAC's ICE section as a great buy.

sold na daw sir jhnkvn yung 2 crescendo amps ni sir snoopy

[D3nb3r]

Oh right, different nominal impedance pala. If then so, you can't use sensitivity as a general comparison because a lower resistance would generally give you a higher measured decibel.

I also generally support secondhand amplifiers. Truthfully, I find snoopy's amplifiers at KAC's ICE section as a great buy.

thanks sir jhnkvn, have to visit KAC more often for those 2nd hand items. Problem is logistics since I'm form Mindanao

sold na daw sir jhnkvn yung 2 crescendo amps ni sir snoopy

That's ok, you'll never know baka bukas makalawa meron na naman mg benta nang amps nila.

[simonzaide]

Friends

Suddenly had a change of plans on going 3 way medyo need to go 2 way since i found the pillar mods a bit intrusive for my taste

Im working on a 80 to 100k budget so allocated 30k for install,deadening woodworks and wires

With 50 to 70k what can i do ?

I alreay have 2 4 channel amps already 4x100 each and have no plans on changing HU

Im planning on going focal flax audison bit tem focal p30

Would it make sense to change rear speakers to a coaxial ?

[jhnkvn]

You do not need rear speakers.

[monty_GTV]

That's ok, you'll never know baka bukas makalawa meron na naman mg benta nang amps nila.

meron yan sir d3nb3r, lalo malapit na pasko maraming darating na good deals merong DLS A7 5ch amp binebenta sa fb ng car audio sale/swap kaso walang kontak yung seller it looks old na pero nasa 30k pa rin...

[D3nb3r]

meron yan sir d3nb3r, lalo malapit na pasko maraming darating na good deals merong DLS A7 5ch amp binebenta sa fb ng car audio sale/swap kaso walang kontak yung seller it looks old na pero nasa 30k pa rin...

good to know sir Monty but 30k is way above my budget for an amps. Budget meal lang kaya ko hehehe. I'm thinking of a Rockford Fosgate R400-4D lang.

[D3nb3r]

Curious lang mga sir. I know that the bass frequency is 20Hz and below and that is the subwoofer's area.
My question is more in the component set. Given the frequency response of a component speaker A of 35Hz-21kHz and component speaker B has 60Hz-20kHz, does this mean that component speaker A will have better bass sound? Or, we also have to factor the materials and technology that has been used in the development of the speakers(w/ respect to near bass frequency)?
Please enlighten me. thanks.

[jhnkvn]

Q: Given the frequency response of a component speaker A of 35Hz-21kHz and component speaker B has 60Hz-20kHz, does this mean that component speaker A will have better bass sound?
A: Nope

Q:We also have to factor the materials and technology that has been used in the development of the speakers(w/ respect to near bass frequency)?
A: Yes. Engineering is expensive though, physics is a better indicator of bass. Larger midbass = more air moved = more bass.

Recreating bass or midbass frequencies is simply the art of moving air. Frequency response is a bad metric in general since manufacturers quote them vaguely. You see, all of these component speakers' midbass can technically reach up to 20hz once you remove the filters. BUT, you can't hear it since the output is too low.

[D3nb3r]

Q: Given the frequency response of a component speaker A of 35Hz-21kHz and component speaker B has 60Hz-20kHz, does this mean that component speaker A will have better bass sound?
A: Nope

Q:We also have to factor the materials and technology that has been used in the development of the speakers(w/ respect to near bass frequency)?
A: Yes. Engineering is expensive though, physics is a better indicator of bass. Larger midbass = more air moved = more bass.

Recreating bass or midbass frequencies is simply the art of moving air. Frequency response is a bad metric in general since manufacturers quote them vaguely. You see, all of these component speakers' midbass can technically reach up to 20hz once you remove the filters. BUT, you can't hear it since the output is too low.

Got it sir jhnkvn. thanks.
So if there are 2 speakers with similar(but not the same) specs and only differ in woofer diameter like lets say a 6.5" and a 5.25", the speaker that has a wider surface area cone will be most likely have a better bass sound since it will move more air than the other.

[jhnkvn]

Got it sir jhnkvn. thanks.
So if there are 2 speakers with similar(but not the same) specs and only differ in woofer diameter like lets say a 6.5" and a 5.25", the speaker that has a wider surface area cone will be most likely have a better bass sound since it will move more air than the other.

Yes. There's a difference between extension (how low it goes) and output (how loud it goes). Truthfully, you ideally want all two. But the more important one is output. What's the use of extension if you can't hear or feel it.

[rafmac]

Had a Jazz before and to save space, what the installer did before was to create a false floor. Since malilim naman ang trunk ng Jazz they added an additional layer on top of the original flooring so the amp and sub is becomes an integral part of the flooring. Search mo na lang sa KAC my rides section

Sir may I ask for advise for the right size of subwoofer speaker for honda jazz. Since maliit lang naman ang interior nya and I'm more inclined on sq route, would an 8" subs will suffice my need. As of now I already installed 2-way seps powered by my HU only, I'm planning to install an amp to power the seps together with the sub but need to know the ideal size of subs based on the size of my car. Thanks

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[GTi]

May tanong ako. May problema yung stock head unit ng 2011 Santa Fe namin. Ayaw nya magplay ng kahit anong CD, lalabas lagi "bad disc", ganun din dun sa SD card slot, although tinatanggap naman niya ang GPS map data SD card. Yung TV niya 1 channel lang ang natatanggap. Gumagana naman ng maayos ang tuner at aux-in. Ano kaya problema nito?

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[jhnkvn]

May tanong ako. May problema yung stock head unit ng 2011 Santa Fe namin. Ayaw nya magplay ng kahit anong CD, lalabas lagi "bad disc", ganun din dun sa SD card slot, although tinatanggap naman niya ang GPS map data SD card. Yung TV niya 1 channel lang ang natatanggap. Gumagana naman ng maayos ang tuner at aux-in. Ano kaya problema nito?

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That's probably the head unit's "mother" board na mismo. In theory, it might just be the CD mechanism if lagi bad disc yun CD but since the SD slot is also affected, I'll suspect that it's the board itself.

Hindi ba pasok sa warranty ni Hyundai PH? Since that's going to cost a lot for repairs (almost brand new cost na yan)

[artsky]

Tanong ko lang, ganun ba talaga "ka-pangit" ang sounds ng stock headunits kaya need palitan if you want better sound? hindi ba puedeng lagyan na muna ng amps at change stock speakers? Ok naman kasi sakin yung tunog nung stock HU ng Vios 2013 pero yun lang need ko ilakas yung volume para may bass or mapuno nya ng sound yung loob ng car. Sa ganitong case ba ng listening style ko, palit HU ba ang better route?