Going to Hong Kong thread [Merged]

[uls]

AH, the mysteries of life. I find it funny and ironic, sir, that you didn't click the link because of your pre-conceived biases and labels, and yet you inadvertently ended up posting a portion of it through your quoted piece. For your information and elightenment, that same quote you posted was actually in the article I linked if you were open enough to read it. Heh heh.

anything coming from you would have anti-China/pro-US/anti-du30/pro-Aquino bias so why bother clicking

been seeing your posts in other threads

you're bias is consistent

[heavenlee]

anything coming from you would have anti-China/pro-US bias so why bother clicking

Yes, of course it is. Even when proven wrong. C'est la vie.

[heavenlee]

Apple pulls police-tracking app used in Hong Kong protests after consulting authorities - Reuters

Found it weird that China has spoken, Apple has spoken, even the developer has spoken. But not a word from the one who is (supposedly) truly affected -- the HK police.

[uls]

wrong where?

everybody sees your bias

[heavenlee]

wrong where?

everybody sees your bias

Your truth, your quote (on Apple) is also in the article I linked. So is that article biased? Or balanced? Gosh. Do I really have to say this twice?

[uls]

so now you're trying to sound more balanced after i pointed out (to everyone) your long history of heavy bias

[uls]

for the pro-US anti China crowd, here's a video that will give you orgasms

steve bannon and kyle bass

2 of the loudest anti-China Americans

[uls]

Kyle Bass is a fund manager and right now he has real money betting on the collapse of the HK economy

[Monseratto]

Golden Week Riots

From Oct. 1 to 7, tourist arrivals from the Chinese mainland reached 671,952, a 55.8 percent dip compared with the same period last year, according to Hong Kong's Immigration Department.

The total passenger arrivals during the holiday were about 2.34 million, 31.9 percent less than that of last year.

The National Day holidays, also known as the Golden Week, is a peak season for the city's major business sectors, such as tourism, retail, catering and hotels. However, this year, the ongoing violence and vandalism, which caused a shutdown of the city's business and transportation system, have severely dented the tourist sentiment.

On the National Day, a mere 93,097 passengers arrived from the mainland, a 62.5 percent drop compared with last year. The violent protests also crushed out the city's annual fireworks display on Oct. 1.

According to the Travel Industry Council of Hong Kong, tour groups from the mainland fell to less than 20 per day during the Golden Week, while the last year's Golden Week witnessed about 100 to 200 a day.

HK sees 55% dip in holiday tourists

[madball]

Go to an even bigger bully to help you defend yourself from the person bullying you -- it's the way of the world. US is still bigger than China. So everyone gravitates to them. Does not mean they have moral highground, but you know China's scares Sh*t of them, for now.

Well, it's not that simple sir. Like I said, US intervention in HK would result in a hot war and neither countries can afford it YET. US is not f*cking stupid to just send troops to a city which belongs to China because the geopolitics of war could quickly turn against them. HK is China's domestic issue, US has no legal obligation to defend it unlike Taiwan.

Nations will only risk going to war if there's a direct threat against their security (e.g. invasion) or if they can afford it. Other than that, BUSINESS COMES FIRST before lofty ideals.

The only thing that US can do is intensify the trade war and along with its allies, issue some sanctions against China. In that process, they'd be effectively shooting themselves in the foot and China would rather bear those sanctions than give up HK.
A lot of countries would be contented not getting involved as long as China doesn't commit a gruesome massacre.

[vinrem]

now let's see if HK protesters will smash and burn Apple stores

Huwag muna, bibili pa ako ng iPhone bukas hahaha.

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[vinrem]

As you pointed out, individuals can't even speak out against the Chinese government if the government happen to do something wrong, without consequences coming back to them. Those who find the courage to do so gets jailed, or worse. That's what I meant by "terrorize the individual" -- those individuals who dare to stand up against tyranny were snuffed out -- and that kind of terrorizing is never good in my book.

I may have not made it clear in my post kanina, when I say talk against, I mean against it's policy or talk bad about China or its leaders, but if they talk about corrupts officials, Beijing listens and investigate it immediately.

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[heavenlee]

Well, it's not that simple sir. Like I said, US intervention in HK would result in a hot war and neither countries can afford it YET. US is not f*cking stupid to just send troops to a city which belongs to China because the geopolitics of war could quickly turn against them. HK is China's domestic issue, US has no legal obligation to defend it unlike Taiwan.

Nations will only risk going to war if there's a direct threat against their security (e.g. invasion) or if they can afford it. Other than that, BUSINESS COMES FIRST before lofty ideals.

The only thing that US can do is intensify the trade war and along with its allies, issue some sanctions against China. In that process, they'd be effectively shooting themselves in the foot and China would rather bear those sanctions than give up HK.
A lot of countries would be contented not getting involved as long as China doesn't commit a gruesome massacre.

Don't get me wrong, sir, I am not advocating US intervention. I'm just making a point of observation. People like the ones in HK and elsewhere who feel they are at the edge and feeling powerless against the giant that is China are naturally looking for allies. Allies who they believe can stand up to China. Naturally that's the US.

[uls]

Golden Week Riots



HK sees 55% dip in holiday tourists

mainlanders went to singapore

[heavenlee]

I may have not made it clear in my post kanina, when I say talk against, I mean against it's policy or talk bad about China or its leaders, but if they talk about corrupts officials, Beijing listens and investigate it immediately.

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I respect your viewpoint, sir, as I believe you have been living and working there for some time now. But then you get articles like these, and another viewpoint opens up (see below links & quotes). Can you absolutely, 100%, categorically tell me that this article is fake? That it is nothing but propaganda? That the writer is lying through her teeth? This article dates back to 2016, by the way --

I want you to understand the sense of fear that Chinese people feel every day | Nanfu Wang | Opinion | The Guardian


"Last December, one of China’s most prominent human rights lawyers, Pu Zhiqiang, was put on trial for “picking quarrels and provoking trouble,” a charge the Chinese government recently has brought upon hundreds of activists, human rights lawyers in particular, who have been fighting against rampant corruption and human rights abuses throughout the country."

"Three years ago, I would have watched these news reports with incredulity. Before I returned to China from New York in the summer of 2013 to make my film, Hooligan Sparrow, I had no idea to what lengths and in what absurd ways the Chinese government is willing to go to crush its perceived enemies. "

"I don’t think of myself as a fearful or paranoid person. But my experience making a documentary about human rights in China gave me a sense of fear that I think westerners have no frame of reference for. "

"We knew that we were being followed constantly, both by uniformed police and by plain-clothed secret police."

"In the scene above, I was speaking with a person who suggested to me that it was too dangerous to continue filming. He said that none of us knew when one would be arrested, and that even the room we were sitting in could be monitored electronically. "

"I hope they will understand more deeply the sense of fear that so many Chinese people feel every day: fear that at any moment, their lives could come crashing down simply for dreaming of a brighter future."



And this is an entry from Wikipedia just to know who the writer is --

Nanfu Wang - Wikipedia


"Hooligan Sparrow was Wang's first feature documentary. It tells the story of Chinese human rights activists fighting to bring accountability to government officials who ***ually assaulted several young girls. As Wang films the activists, she becomes the subject of harassment from state actors responding to Wang's efforts to document the work of the activists. "

[heavenlee]

so now you're trying to sound more balanced after i pointed out (to everyone) your long history of heavy bias

That's just dandy sir. Evade the point even though you're the one who said the ARTICLE is biased, and I quote:


"probably another politically biased article from Western media... that Apple is afraid of China

to balance things out here's why Apple removed the app"


And when I pointed out that the article seems "balanced", you shift the discussion to what you perceive my personality to be. That I am biased, that I am trying my darn best to appear "balanced" -- all those labels again. From the article to my personality. Prollly easier for you to discuss things that way -- shift the discussion and make things personal. Not my cup of tea, though. So, bye for now.

[kisshmet]

We are all entitled to our political persuasion

Hongkong is burning for a reason..communist china betrayed them with a promise of autonomy which isn't true

Hongkong will get over this turmoil with a sting in the butt

While china will never be ONE..there will always be the communist and democratic side of china

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[vinrem]

Hay, mahabang discussions ito hahaha, basta politics and religion, the discussion will never end.

Good Luck to me na lang tomorrow as I'm traveling to HK, no black t-shirt in the luggage- [emoji736], no white t-shirt in the luggage- [emoji736], no mask in the luggage- [emoji736][emoji23]

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[shadow]

Meron akong nakita na meron mga undercover police disguised as protesters, pwedeng sila daw yun nag vandal.


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[kisshmet]

^they could also be agents of taiwan (democratic china)

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