Going to Hong Kong thread [Merged]

[Monseratto]

You, sir, have jumped to a conclusion. I was making a separate point for a while there, but I see your confusion.

Just because I said that people today feel more sorrow at seing a non-living thing get damaged or destroyed than seing a human being die -- or suffer or get injured or generally get hurt -- does not mean I'm saying there are people who died in the HK protests. In fact I'm not saying anyone died because as far as I know, no one, at least officially, has died over there from whichever side. Lots got hurt and seriously injured, though. A journalist lost an eye. Others lost limbs. A number still in ICU.

Yet the MTR, which can be rebuilt for sure, gets more tears. There's a disconnect.

Hope that is clearer, sir.

"That were lost" means something did happen since past tense ang gamit mo. Any English speaker will conclude you are stating a fact. It's your mistake not mine.

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[Monseratto]

Why China's"over reaction" over the Morey's HK tweet? Just shows how angry mainlanders are at this point towards HK rioters/separatist movement/freedom fighters. Only his resigning/firing from the Rockets will save the NBA in China.

Lakers' NBA Cares event in Shanghai canceled amid China rift

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[shadow]

Hinde ko maintindihan bakit sobrang sensitive china doon sa tweet.

Yun tantrums nila gave reason tuloy na dapat talaga i-defend yun freedom.




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[ray_noel]

Hinde ko maintindihan bakit sobrang sensitive china doon sa tweet.

Yun tantrums nila gave reason tuloy na dapat talaga i-defend yun freedom.




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My thought is, sinakyan lang din nila yung tweet... pakita din sila kung ano mangyayari if they cancel the contract...
That’s just my speculation, mainit kasi u.s sa china... kaya nagiging sensitive din sila sa u.s... flexing every muscles they could kung saan pwede...


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[Ketib]

As Hong Kong enters its 18th week of... - South China Morning Post | Facebook

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[heavenlee]

"That were lost" means something did happen since past tense ang gamit mo. Any English speaker will conclude you are stating a fact. It's your mistake not mine.

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Like I said earlier, I see your point and yes, sir, it is my "mistake" to be juxtaposing what I intended to be a generic statement -- not meant solely for HK -- with a picture specific to HK. This led to your confusion, like I also said earlier. Hope that is clearer.

[heavenlee]

Hinde ko maintindihan bakit sobrang sensitive china doon sa tweet.

Yun tantrums nila gave reason tuloy na dapat talaga i-defend yun freedom.




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China has been like that for the longest time. There are many instances they've shown this attitude, and not just within China but wherever they can get away with it. Especially now that they have money as a big leveraging tool. When they don't like something, they enforce their will with an iron fist and follow up with threats of economic consequences. They do this with a ferocity that makes the USA look like a novice at the same game.

They're doing it everywhere and to everyone that gets in the way. Big or small, whoever you are, if they don't like what you said, did, or even implied, they will find ways to neutralize you. Like Mafia dons, everything to them is "personal".

One small publisher found this out the hard way. All copies of his books which were not even meant to be sold in China were ordered burned at the Chinese factory it was being printed in and ready to be shipped. Talk about policing the whole world, this is how China will do it. Forget freedom.

[heavenlee]

Why China's"over reaction" over the Morey's HK tweet? Just shows how angry mainlanders are at this point towards HK rioters/separatist movement/freedom fighters. Only his resigning/firing from the Rockets will save the NBA in China.

Lakers' NBA Cares event in Shanghai canceled amid China rift

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Morey's resignation? Like what they've done to a lot of Cathay Pacific employees over the past months who were one way or the other sympathetic to the protesters. Typical.

[madball]

Sa akin lang, US don't care, what they care more is magkagulo pa ang isang country para they can sell their arms and expand their bases in Asia, look at Syria, may Syrian friend ako dito that has lost a lot bcoz of the war, maganda na daw buhay nila dati sa Syria, until US meddled with their country politics.

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I agree. To be fair not only US but UK is also responsible for some conflicts that still persists nowadays (e.g. Israel-Palestine, India vs Pakistan). They don't really have the moral high ground to talk about freedom, justice, and other values because they are also guilty of atrocities.

Hinde ko maintindihan bakit sobrang sensitive china doon sa tweet.

Yun tantrums nila gave reason tuloy na dapat talaga i-defend yun freedom.




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Ayaw kasi ng China na may nangingialam on their domestic affairs. Their gameplan is to wear out those protesters. They want the protests to die down.
Plan B is military intervention if things get worse (people dying, non-stop rioting, total f*cking anarchy.)

[heavenlee]

Freedom or Money? Money, I guess. The "smart" ones, most Chinese I know, keep their mouths shut for now. No one can afford to commit economic suicide.

[heavenlee]

I agree. To be fair not only US but UK is also responsible for some conflicts that still persists nowadays (e.g. Israel-Palestine, India vs Pakistan). They don't really have the moral high ground to talk about freedom, justice, and other values because they are also guilty of atrocities.

Who does? Answer: No one. So mankind is doomed?

[madball]

Should a crackdown happen, I think it won't be as bloody as Tiananmen. China is preparing the People's Armed Police. Those paramilitary troops are specially trained in non-lethal methods of crowd control and riot suppression. The role of the PLA would be most likely to provide support.

Indiscriminately firing at the protesters would be very stupid. The CCP are not a bunch of idiots. They know that it would hurt China's already bad reputation. Why massacre people when you can brand them as criminals then lock them up? In the international stage, China is going to frame the operation as a way of restoring peace and order in HK not quashing political dissent. Notice how the Chinese government keeps on warning the protesters that they are violating the law.

I also highly doubt that the US would intervene should China make a decisive action in HK. That would be tantamount to starting a hot war and the truth is US can't go to war mainly because of internal politics. US public is so sick of wars and it'll be a political suicide for Trump if US gets dragged into another war.

[madball]

China has been like that for the longest time. There are many instances they've shown this attitude, and not just within China but wherever they can get away with it. Especially now that they have money as a big leveraging tool. When they don't like something, they enforce their will with an iron fist and follow up with threats of economic consequences. They do this with a ferocity that makes the USA look like a novice at the same game.

They're doing it everywhere and to everyone that gets in the way. Big or small, whoever you are, if they don't like what you said, did, or even implied, they will find ways to neutralize you. Like Mafia dons, everything to them is "personal".

One small publisher found this out the hard way. All copies of his books which were not even meant to be sold in China were ordered burned at the Chinese factory it was being printed in and ready to be shipped. Talk about policing the whole world, this is how China will do it. Forget freedom.

So is China the next Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia? Dreaming of a military conquest? hellbent on imposing their repressive ideology to the whole world?
I wonder why they are having success in Africa.

[falken]

Hong Kong must learn there is no black and white when it comes to anti-government protests, and sometimes good people do bad things | South China Morning Post

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[heavenlee]

No deaths, yet. But injured numbers still growing.




Hong Kong'''s undercover medics reveal hidden toll of protests




"The Hidden Clinic says it has clandestinely treated 300-400 protesters with an array of injuries: broken and dislocated bones, gaping wounds and exposure to tear gas so prolonged that they were coughing up blood. It also says the severity of the injuries has increased sharply in the past week, with hard-core protesters and police increasingly tough on each other."



"This behind-the-scenes doctoring, outside of government hospitals, suggests that the official toll of 1,235 injured protesters treated in public hospitals since June 9 significantly undercounts both the number and full extent of those hurt in the more than 400 demonstrations tallied by the government."





"Asked about protesters' fears of public wards, the Hospital Authority said in a statement to AP that it "upholds the importance of patient confidentiality, which is the cornerstone of patient confidence" and "has also reminded law enforcement departments to be mindful of the respect for patient data privacy in hospitals."

The protesters aren't convinced.

"Government hospitals have police," said a 19-year-old who came prepared for trouble at Sunday's protest, "



"These kids are striving for a whole era's freedom," said the Chinese medicine practitioner who devotes one evening per week to treating protesters, seeing as many as a dozen each time. "For those of us who don't dare go out, the very least we can do is treat their wounds."

[shadow]

NBA and the other team owners should stand behind Morey.

NBA should not allow China to bully them into submission.


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[heavenlee]

Apple's turn? Every perceived slight, no matter how small or unrelated, will not escape China. In native tongue we say -- "Nabu-ang na."



China warns Apple against 'unwise and reckless' support of Hong Kong protesters | Hong Kong Free Press HKFP



China warns Apple against ‘unwise and reckless’ support of Hong Kong protesters


"An opinion piece in the People’s Daily, the mouthpiece of the ruling Communist Party, highlighted a transport app available on Apple’s store that it alleged helped protesters identify police in Hong Kong.

“Apple’s approval for the app obviously helps rioters,” the article said."



"“Does this mean Apple intended to be an accomplice to the rioters?”

The article then cautioned that: “The map app is just the tip of the iceberg”.

It alleged that a song advocating “Hong Kong independence” had appeared on the “Apple Music Store” in the southern Chinese city, then issued an ominous warning.

“Nobody wants to drag Apple into the lingering unrest in Hong Kong. But people have reason to assume that Apple is mixing business with politics, and even illegal acts,” it said.

“Apple has to think about the consequences of its unwise and reckless decision,” the article said."

[heavenlee]

NBA and the other team owners should stand behind Morey.

NBA should not allow China to bully them into submission.


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If China can terrorize big corporations like that, imagine how China terrorizes the individual? "Scary" is an understatement.

[shadow]

OA na sobra eh. They want the world not to speak a word about it? Anong kalokohan yan?


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[Monseratto]

76ers say fans who held up signs supporting the protests in Hong Kong ejected for '''disrupting the fan experience''' - Business Insider