Expressway over EDSA

[17Sphynx17]

when i got an offered a job in bangkok back in 2002, i thought their traffic mess is still existing.
nag dadalawang-isip ako noon kung tatangapin ko. did asked some of my friends na andon na at ang sabi wala na raw yung matinding traffic jam.
lo and behold, ang daming elevated expressways from all direction going in/out of bangkok nung papunta na ako sa aking work location sa south ng bangkok.
ito rin sinasabi ni misis sa akin, bakit daw di gawin yung ginawa ng thailand pag napapadaan kami ng EDSA sa dis-oras ng gabi from/to airport (dito kasi minsan ang turo ni waze).
ang planong pagilipat ng airport sa Bulacan ay malaking tulong sa decongestion ng trapik pero makikita pa natin ito siguro after 5 years?
itong bagong proposal ni RSA can be realized in 3 years time? kaya mas mainam na ito kesa walang solution in sight sa EDSA traffic mess basta maganda lang yung project execution plan nila para di naman masyadong magdudulot ng mas lalong trapik.

I think, in general, may reason naman to increase road capacity since wala ka na ilalapad.

Ang mainam lang dapat e part ng proposal is interconnection, not just to itself or parang self contained study/design lang. May way din dapat magkonek from above with other infra hindi yung baba ka pa kunwari to access nlex-slex connector assuming you need to get to it.

Yung ppp kasi sa atin half baked parati, hindi inisip yung kabuuhan kasi mas importante kaninong mall nakadikit.

Di ko nga sigurado yung subway na mas makakatulong kung hindi ba talaga integrated and makati subway sa interconnection? Nagsarili ba talaga ng execution?

Edit: akala ko nga din ng una ko nakita sa araneta yung taas ng poste ng nlex slex connector, lalagyan nila ng light rail na, parang stacked road network.

[JohnM]

the more practical solution (to make edsa less congested) is to widen the coding ban. but this also smacks of political suicide...

Doc anyone can get a bnew coding car at a downpayment cheaper than the latest iPhone. This compounds the problem and also adds to the parking problem.

If coding was removed there won't be a reason to get a second car.

[dr. d]

Doc anyone can get a bnew coding car at a downpayment cheaper than the latest iPhone. This compounds the problem and also adds to the parking problem.

If coding was removed there won't be a reason to get a second car.

if coding was removed, i can sell my coding car.
less hassle pa in the sliding-blocks-garage game.

come to think of it,
i wonder how traffic will be, if the coding was removed for a month...
...knowing as we already have a driving deterrent called "very heavy traffic"...

[JohnM]

if coding was removed, i can sell my coding car.
less hassle pa in the sliding-blocks-garage game.

come to think of it,
i wonder how traffic will be, if the coding was removed for a month...
...knowing as we already have a driving deterrent called "very heavy traffic"...

Did removing the window hours and moving the end time from 7pm to 8pm make any difference?

[dr. d]

Did removing the window hours and moving the end time from 7pm to 8pm make any difference?

i don't know.
i was already safely ensconsced in the workplace or at home, during those times.

sirit na... did it, or did it not?

[yebo]

ang planong pagilipat ng airport sa Bulacan ay malaking tulong sa decongestion ng trapik pero makikita pa natin ito siguro after 5 years?
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NO. Bakit mababawasan ang trapik e ililipat lang ang trapik. Whereas before the people coming from the NORTH will have to traverse the metro to go to the airport, the people from the SOUTH then will have to do the same.

Meron isang malaking problema dyan sa paglipat ng airport sa bulacan. Pag anniversary ng iglesia ni cristo sarado ang northbound ng nlex. So dapat lagyan din ng elevated hiway dyan sa part na yan ng philippine arena.

[dr. d]

NO. Bakit mababawasan ang trapik e ililipat ko lang ang trapik. Whereas before the people coming from the NORTH will have to traverse the metro to go to the airport, the people from the SOUTH then will have to do the same.

Meron isang malaking problema dyan sa paglipat ng airport sa bulacan. Pag anniversary ng iglesia ni cristo sarado ang northbound ng nlex. So dapat lagyan din ng elevated hiway dyan sa part na yan ng philippine arena.

hindi papayag ang INC.
i-dedemanda nila, underground tunnel!
heh heh.

[kagalingan]

mas madali mainterconnect bisikleta at bata pa lang maganda training.

yung mga nakamotorcycle ngyaon eh lilipat yan pag may elevated bike lane around the metro.

pero simulan muna yung stretch ng edsa. Madali na pagdutingin yan lets say sa erod, quezon ave. Laking ginhawa yun sa commuter masa yung mga daily bus jeep taxi

yung toll road nyo sa kotse short term yan walang dugtong.

[dr. d]

mas madali mainterconnect bisikleta at bata pa lang maganda training.

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they just want to get to and from work, in relative comfort.
they're not training to join the tour of luzon.

[EQAddict]

Im all for this. Ive been suffering for decades. And i dont want to be an armchair quarterback. Build this elevated edsa 10 lane road pls.

Take my money!




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[17Sphynx17]

i don't know.
i was already safely ensconsced in the workplace or at home, during those times.

sirit na... did it, or did it not?

Since our public transport didnt improve and actually further deteriorated (for whatever bare minimum we already had then), we had more and more transient workforce (people not living near where they work), and public not happy and given own option to get their own mode of transpo...

The answer is no, as even now, it the crawl frequently stretches past 'rush hour' in the late in the night. It used to only be around friday (in my recall), then even thursday as people opted to move going out on friday coz of traffic. Now, it's practically the whole week. Hehe.

We now do not have any sense of public transpo, only kanya kanyang transpo. Ü

Bahala si bus company a sa side niya, bawal pakialam ni bus company b, pero walang gawan din kay jeep franchise a and b.. Etc etc.

Kanya kanya backer, walang pansinan hanggang may pumutok. Ingay sandali mga 2 weeks max then dating gawi lang ulit. Ü

Edit: swerte na din naman ako since i work from home. Pero on times needs lumabas for work, iniiwas ko schedule ko kung kaya sa standstill/bottleneck areas. Pero may oras na hindi naiiwasan at bagsak na uuwi makati to qc 3 hours, swerte pa ako nun. Hehe.

[kagalingan]

they just want to get to and from work, in relative comfort.
they're not training to join the tour of luzon.

dok my proposal eh for all walks of life. Kahit kagaya ko naka super skinny jeans na maganda umbok sa glutes eh makikinabang jan.

What im trying to point out eh sino ba mas nahihirapan araw-araw = yung mga nag-aantay sa gilid ng kalsada. No choice eh kasi asa sila sa public vehicles.

madami na ginawa para sa kotse wala naman asenso. Buti na lang taga true qc ako madami lusutan.

if you have an elevated bike lane around the metro, you have no excuse na hindi ka makapunta sa destination mo.

ako inimaigine ko na pag naginterconnect na bike lane ang sarap nun. Tapos naka strechable super skinny ang ganda tingnan pag nagpedal ako.

[Sebastian Bach]

if you have an elevated bike lane around the metro, you have no excuse na hindi ka makapunta sa destination mo.

ako inimaigine ko na pag naginterconnect na bike lane ang sarap nun. Tapos naka strechable super skinny ang ganda tingnan pag nagpedal ako.

100% sure magiging overpass market to tulad ng nasa mrt-lrt taft

[dr. d]

100% sure magiging overpass market to tulad ng nasa mrt-lrt taft

let's plan for it, big-time!
lookit HK. i can pick up dinner and other basic needs, strolling from the train doors to the stairs at ground level.

[dr. d]

dok my proposal eh for all walks of life. Kahit kagaya ko naka super skinny jeans na maganda umbok sa glutes eh makikinabang jan.

What im trying to point out eh sino ba mas nahihirapan araw-araw = yung mga nag-aantay sa gilid ng kalsada. No choice eh kasi asa sila sa public vehicles.

madami na ginawa para sa kotse wala naman asenso. Buti na lang taga true qc ako madami lusutan.

if you have an elevated bike lane around the metro, you have no excuse na hindi ka makapunta sa destination mo.

ako inimaigine ko na pag naginterconnect na bike lane ang sarap nun. Tapos naka strechable super skinny ang ganda tingnan pag nagpedal ako.

i tried biking to and from work, years ago. i gave it up. amoy lansangan ako pag dating.

[kagalingan]

tsikoteers you have to analyze life outside the car.

bakit ang dami motorcyle ngayon = kasi ayaw matraffic, ayaw sumakay sa bus, jeep, taxi. They are taking action on their own.

Inintindi ba nila yung usok at baho? Naconcious ba sila? Naging deterrent ba ? Hindi!!!!

Umuulan nga dami nagmomotor nagraincoat lang yun parang palda type.

Why im proposing elevated bike lane sa edsa tapos interconnect sa metro. First mas madali gawin and you just need mga dalawang to tatlong lapad ng footbrige depende sa location. At kahit yung mga nasa laylayan the poorest of the poor makakaafford dahil bike no fuel no electricity. Hindi ka na sakay dito baba sakay ulit so laking menos sa pamasahe.

mga babae ngayon nagmomotor na hinid na maarte.

Ang mga motorcycle araw-araw gabi-gabi buwis buhay yan. Pero pag may exclusive elevated bike lane eh night and day sobrang safe yun. Ang aksidente pwede lang mangyari pag masyado mataas bike mo tapos bumaba ka bigla eh sapol ng batalya betlog mo ba-og ka hahahah. Ganun nung elemenatary days.

but i do not like yung mga motorcyle sa exclusive elevated road kasi disgrasya waiting to happen. Magliliparan yan kakarera lang.

[dr. d]

i talked to several motorcycle drivers, why they were nag-momotor.
"dahil hindi namin kaya mag-kotse."

a handful (actually, two) who could afford cars, said, "motors do better time in traffic".

bicycles? "because it's all we can afford."

i'm not against elevated bike lanes.
but i find it foolhardy, to expect it to solve our traffic issues.

[17Sphynx17]

i talked to several motorcycle drivers, why they were nag-momotor.
"dahil hindi namin kaya mag-kotse."

a handful (actually, two) who could afford cars, said, "motors do better time in traffic".

bicycles? "because it's all we can afford."

i'm not against elevated bike lanes.
but i find it foolhardy, to expect it to solve our traffic issues.

Bikes wont solve, just reduce a persons use of petrol... Then when the advent of more proper ebikes come into play, you'd have another clash with lto whether they need to be registered as they are technically powered by a motor, although they are bikes. Hehe.

You can encourage biking, but you'd have to minimize the volume of a transient workforce. Meaning avoid working at least 2 cities away from where you live.

[dr. d]

Bikes wont solve, just reduce a persons use of petrol...

i guess that's why kags is so hot on bicycles.
it's the tree-hugger in him!
heh heh.

[Gumusut_Amige]

NO. Bakit mababawasan ang trapik e ililipat lang ang trapik. Whereas before the people coming from the NORTH will have to traverse the metro to go to the airport, the people from the SOUTH then will have to do the same.

Meron isang malaking problema dyan sa paglipat ng airport sa bulacan. Pag anniversary ng iglesia ni cristo sarado ang northbound ng nlex. So dapat lagyan din ng elevated hiway dyan sa part na yan ng philippine arena.

di ba meron SLEX-NLEX elevated highway connector na ginagawa sa ngayon? matatapos naman siguro ito ahead sa completion ng new airport para di sila makapag-contribute ng trapik sa edsa.

pati siguro naman yung inter-change sa bocaue na ginagawa sa ngayon ay syang magiging kasagutan sa problema na dulot ng philippine arena activities. hindi ako member ng INC ha