Expressway over EDSA

[jjmd3_787]

SAN MIGUEL Corp. (SMC) is seeking to build an elevated expressway along Epifanio de los Santos Avenue (EDSA) as a direct alternative to the heavily congested 23-kilometer highway ...

(San Miguel looking to build an elevated expressway on EDSA | BusinessWorld)

Better than banning private vehicles from using EDSA, right? What's your take?

[minicarph]

sana one way na lang

southbound sa baba
northbound sa taas

[SoleusBB]

If you see what's happened to Araneta Ave, and dun sa South Super Highway na ginagawan ng mga expressway din sa taas nila, you'll just have to shake your head.

Sira-sira & full of potholes yung mga daan na ito because of the tracked heavy equipment they use on the unprotected road. Wheeled heavy equipment is gentler to road surfaces, but sa biigat nila, damaging pa rin. Factor in pa yung substandard contruction ng kalsada (siyempre, para may source of dirty money yung contractor pag gagagwin ulit)... and then there's the construction debris falling down on vehicles below kasi tinipid & butas-butas yung protective netting na gagamitin, and to top it all off, sobra pa lalo lalala traffic habang under construction ito.

Pero, baka building another "skyway" type highway above EDSA might be the only feasible solution to double the road capacity. I can't see any better ideas. Underground tunnels are probably way more expensive to build...

One more thing, magiging sobra nang dilim at ground level.

[GTi]

My gosh. And how bad will the traffic get before that thing is finished? I shudder to think of Edsa becoming like Quirino, Araneta or A. Bonifacio. Probably even worse.

I think aside from trying to make more space in the metropolis, they should absorb more cities along NCR borders into Metro Manila. This way they would literally make more space in Metro Manila, encourage further development and investments, and disperse more of the people squeezing into Metro Manila because of the higher wage rates.

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[coiter]

hmm i'm still for better/efficient public transport. trains/subways and point to point bus services. pag more roads, you just encourage more people to drive. mabilis nga sa double-level edsa pero dahil mas mabilis daloy, mas tatraffic naman sa exits. although i rarely pass slex, the few times I do, matraffic pa rin kahit may skyway.

pero ano kaya gagawin nila sa mga flyovers? go higher o gigibain na lang?

[2lits17]

may kasama daw BRT yun itatayo na skyway sa edsa. tapos may mrt pa tapos may subway pa. so 3 train system plying sa edsa, it should really decongest and mas maging ok ang daily commute. kaso ang problema sa pinas pag may bago na yun luma nakakalimutan na.

[yebo]

That is the only way. In fact why double level only? Make it 3 levels, or 4. Set the foundations to be able to handle the additional levels that can be added later on. And adapt modern construction methods. Prefab lahat tapos patong na lang ng patong.

Takot sa traffic while under construction? Tiis ganda. Wala naman asenso kung di magsasakripisyo.

[minicarph]

That is the only way. In fact why double level only? Make it 3 levels, or 4. Set the foundations to be able to handle the additional levels that can be added later on. And adapt modern construction methods. Prefab lahat tapos patong na lang ng patong.

Takot sa traffic while under construction? Tiis ganda. Wala naman asenso kung di magsasakripisyo.

tapos pag papark nasa megamall bldg A, fafa yebs, diresto na sa level 4 kagad, cinema.

[yebo]

tapos pag papark nasa megamall bldg A, fafa yebs, diresto na sa level 4 kagad, cinema.

There you go! Buildings with parking entrances at the 4th level, less traffic at ground.

[baludoy]

ah so in effect ppp operation pala ito ng smc. it's projected to be a 30 month project kung matuloy so it would be a "just grin and bear it" attitude na lang adopt nating mga apektado.

P 250-P 300 daw malamang ang sisingil for the whole stretch of edsa (presumably) sabi sa interview sa tv kanina kay mr ramon ang so i guess may savings din in the long run. Ika "time is silver", after all. . tsaka kumpara naman sa dinudusa natin ngayon, this is a better alternative.

[SoleusBB]

Oh, so it's going to be a toll road. (Didn't click on the link to read it)

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Naalala ko lang when I was a student and they were constructing the Nagtahan flyover. "Tiis lang, this is the solution to traffic congestion in the area!" When it was finally completed, standstill traffic din dun sa flyover hahaha

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And yes, we'll just have to make do and bear with it if its the only (practical) solution. The time will come the NCR will look like Coruscant

[dr. d]

the more practical solution (to make edsa less congested) is to widen the coding ban. but this also smacks of political suicide...

[JohnM]

the more practical solution (to make edsa less congested) is to widen the coding ban. but this also smacks of political suicide...

Doc anyone can get a bnew coding car at a downpayment cheaper than the latest iPhone. This compounds the problem and also adds to the parking problem.

If coding was removed there won't be a reason to get a second car.

[kagalingan]

so ilan na elevated road sa pinas.

sa osmena to magallanes

tapos yun ginagawa ngayon sa araneta ave. Ang aliwalas dati ngayon dumilim.

Eventually ang metro manila magigign KULOB PILIPINAS. Nakanangbuhaynaman yan.

palpak sa long term thinking noypi. Hindi marunong sa design. Patche-patche. Ang thinking for the next 10years lang. Dapat for the next 3 generations.

Pag lumindol tignan natin paano diskarte.

Any highrise or elevated structure mas mabigat damage pag may calamity.

[gongrhey]

According to the article elevated steel highway ang plano ilagay so mas mabilis ang construction, pero kailangan pa rin mga columns so may abala pa rin ito. Dapat i-expedite muna ni SMC ang completion ng Skyway Stage 3, ioperate na yan para may konting ginhawa na.

[Gumusut_Amige]

when i got an offered a job in bangkok back in 2002, i thought their traffic mess is still existing.
nag dadalawang-isip ako noon kung tatangapin ko. did asked some of my friends na andon na at ang sabi wala na raw yung matinding traffic jam.
lo and behold, ang daming elevated expressways from all direction going in/out of bangkok nung papunta na ako sa aking work location sa south ng bangkok.
ito rin sinasabi ni misis sa akin, bakit daw di gawin yung ginawa ng thailand pag napapadaan kami ng EDSA sa dis-oras ng gabi from/to airport (dito kasi minsan ang turo ni waze).
ang planong pagilipat ng airport sa Bulacan ay malaking tulong sa decongestion ng trapik pero makikita pa natin ito siguro after 5 years?
itong bagong proposal ni RSA can be realized in 3 years time? kaya mas mainam na ito kesa walang solution in sight sa EDSA traffic mess basta maganda lang yung project execution plan nila para di naman masyadong magdudulot ng mas lalong trapik.

[17Sphynx17]

when i got an offered a job in bangkok back in 2002, i thought their traffic mess is still existing.
nag dadalawang-isip ako noon kung tatangapin ko. did asked some of my friends na andon na at ang sabi wala na raw yung matinding traffic jam.
lo and behold, ang daming elevated expressways from all direction going in/out of bangkok nung papunta na ako sa aking work location sa south ng bangkok.
ito rin sinasabi ni misis sa akin, bakit daw di gawin yung ginawa ng thailand pag napapadaan kami ng EDSA sa dis-oras ng gabi from/to airport (dito kasi minsan ang turo ni waze).
ang planong pagilipat ng airport sa Bulacan ay malaking tulong sa decongestion ng trapik pero makikita pa natin ito siguro after 5 years?
itong bagong proposal ni RSA can be realized in 3 years time? kaya mas mainam na ito kesa walang solution in sight sa EDSA traffic mess basta maganda lang yung project execution plan nila para di naman masyadong magdudulot ng mas lalong trapik.

I think, in general, may reason naman to increase road capacity since wala ka na ilalapad.

Ang mainam lang dapat e part ng proposal is interconnection, not just to itself or parang self contained study/design lang. May way din dapat magkonek from above with other infra hindi yung baba ka pa kunwari to access nlex-slex connector assuming you need to get to it.

Yung ppp kasi sa atin half baked parati, hindi inisip yung kabuuhan kasi mas importante kaninong mall nakadikit.

Di ko nga sigurado yung subway na mas makakatulong kung hindi ba talaga integrated and makati subway sa interconnection? Nagsarili ba talaga ng execution?

Edit: akala ko nga din ng una ko nakita sa araneta yung taas ng poste ng nlex slex connector, lalagyan nila ng light rail na, parang stacked road network.

[yebo]

ang planong pagilipat ng airport sa Bulacan ay malaking tulong sa decongestion ng trapik pero makikita pa natin ito siguro after 5 years?
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NO. Bakit mababawasan ang trapik e ililipat lang ang trapik. Whereas before the people coming from the NORTH will have to traverse the metro to go to the airport, the people from the SOUTH then will have to do the same.

Meron isang malaking problema dyan sa paglipat ng airport sa bulacan. Pag anniversary ng iglesia ni cristo sarado ang northbound ng nlex. So dapat lagyan din ng elevated hiway dyan sa part na yan ng philippine arena.

[dr. d]

NO. Bakit mababawasan ang trapik e ililipat ko lang ang trapik. Whereas before the people coming from the NORTH will have to traverse the metro to go to the airport, the people from the SOUTH then will have to do the same.

Meron isang malaking problema dyan sa paglipat ng airport sa bulacan. Pag anniversary ng iglesia ni cristo sarado ang northbound ng nlex. So dapat lagyan din ng elevated hiway dyan sa part na yan ng philippine arena.

hindi papayag ang INC.
i-dedemanda nila, underground tunnel!
heh heh.

[Gumusut_Amige]

NO. Bakit mababawasan ang trapik e ililipat lang ang trapik. Whereas before the people coming from the NORTH will have to traverse the metro to go to the airport, the people from the SOUTH then will have to do the same.

Meron isang malaking problema dyan sa paglipat ng airport sa bulacan. Pag anniversary ng iglesia ni cristo sarado ang northbound ng nlex. So dapat lagyan din ng elevated hiway dyan sa part na yan ng philippine arena.

di ba meron SLEX-NLEX elevated highway connector na ginagawa sa ngayon? matatapos naman siguro ito ahead sa completion ng new airport para di sila makapag-contribute ng trapik sa edsa.

pati siguro naman yung inter-change sa bocaue na ginagawa sa ngayon ay syang magiging kasagutan sa problema na dulot ng philippine arena activities. hindi ako member ng INC ha