Toyota Innova Owners & Discussions [continued 3]

[mika_23]

1. no
3. no
4. yes
highway/high rev driving magana ipractice i cooldown ung turbo



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[fyke]

Goo day!

Itong article na ito sa Top Gear: http://www.topgear.com.ph/features/c...vehicle-engine, applicable ba sa innova D4D?

Sabi sa article: "Modern manufacturing methods applied since the early '90s no longer require most engines a long amount of warm-up time. Any engine made after that time will automatically warm itself up upon startup (assuming it's a cold engine) at about 1,500rpm and normalize to the typical idle rpm of about 750-900rpm. This happens automatically, assuming there's nothing wrong with the cold-start mechanism of the vehicle."

A few questions:

1) Does anyone here still warm-up their engine in the morning?
2) If so, by how many minutes do you warm-up your Innova D4Ds?
3) After city driving, do you still idle your Innova to cool down the turbo? If so, by how many minutes?
4) When driving at SLEX/NLEX and stopping by gas stations for a break, who long do you keep your Innovas idling so as not to damage the turbo?

Thanks in advance for the tips!

For no. 1. I let the engine to warm-up for 5 minutes.
For no. 3. I have a turbo timer installed in my innova, so if city driving only I set the timer for 1 minute.
For no. 4. For a long drive specially out of town i set timer for 5 minutes to let the turbo to cool down.

Hope it helps.

[dr. d]

i drive off the garage a few seconds after i start my engine in the morning. i let my innova warm up while driving conservatively for the first few minutes, thru my neighborhood.
i turn off the engine the moment i reach my destination. of course, that would be after several minutes off the expressway, driving in the neighborhood.
..been doing this for 10 years.. i see no ill-effects.

[cast_no_shadow]

i drive off the garage a few seconds after i start my engine in the morning. i let my innova warm up while driving conservatively for the first few minutes, thru my neighborhood.
i turn off the engine the moment i reach my destination. of course, that would be after several minutes off the expressway, driving in the neighborhood.
..been doing this for 10 years.. i see no ill-effects.

Same practice still no high revs after starting up.

no cool down for VVTI diba? kaya patay agad ako engine kahit high speed runs

[dr. d]

Same practice still no high revs after starting up.

no cool down for VVTI diba? kaya patay agad ako engine kahit high speed runs

the high revs upon starting and just before shutting down (to charge up the battery; generator at hindi alternator pa noon) was daily practice in the olden days... before the 70s...
anyone who does these today, probably learned to drive before the 70s, or has electrical problems!
revving when engine is still cold, tends to hasten engine wear, as the metal mating surfaces aren't properly lubricated yet...
revving prior to shutting off, is something learned when one's battery is already old and needs replacement, but owner still refuses or is un-able to do so... sounds like me.. many years ago..

[dreamur]

the high revs upon starting and just before shutting down (to charge up the battery; generator at hindi alternator pa noon) was daily practice in the olden days... before the 70s...
anyone who does these today, probably learned to drive before the 70s, or has electrical problems!
revving when engine is still cold, tends to hasten engine wear, as the metal mating surfaces aren't properly lubricated yet...
revving prior to shutting off, is something learned when one's battery is already old and needs replacement, but owner still refuses or is un-able to do so... sounds like me.. many years ago..

Used to do that doc with our 1970 corolla. Tatay ko nagsabi kargahan ko daw ung batterya.

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[Deliq]

I have question guys. Plan ko bumili ng 2nd hand na innova.

1."fuel consumption" . 2.0 vvti gas (136hp) vs 2.5 d4d diesel (102hp
Parehas lang ba konsumo ng dalawang engine na yan? Na magkakatalo na lang sa price na hamak na mas mura ang diesel sa gas. Kasi kung engine displament ng vvti is maliit lang as engine maker na 2.0 lang. Ang diesel 2.5 ung engine displament nya. Pagkakaintindi ko mas malaki na engine displacement malaki kain ng gas o diesel.pakishare na lang po nalalaman niyo po base rin dun sa actual use nyo sa innova mapagas o diesel.

No.2 question.
Nakita ko rin na ang diesel ay may 102hp at ang vvti ay may 136hp. Dba pag mataas na hp(horsepower)is mas malakas ang hatak compare sa diesel na 102hp?kung loaded ng 8people ang innova pabiyahe baguio kasama ung bagahe sa topload. Sinu ang malakas sa hatakan at pabilisan,ang vvti o d4d? Really confuse kasi vvti have high hp while diesel have only 102hp.ang laki ng dipirensya.


No.3 question.
Alin sa dalawa ang malaki ang maintenance at wala halos maintenance?

No4.queston.
Sa engine lifespan sinu mas tatagal vvti o d4d.same na pagaalaga at maintenance.

Pasensya na kung mejo mkumplikado tanong ko kasi gusto ko lang magkaidea at before buying a 2nd hand innova or a brandnew na basta pasok sa budget ko. Ok lang sakin kung vvti bilhin ko kasi hindi naman ako naghahabol sa price ng gas o diesel.i just want a clear answer na nakkapagconfuse sakin.

Thank you very much and .. Godbless

[crosswind]

I have question guys. Plan ko bumili ng 2nd hand na innova.

1."fuel consumption" . 2.0 vvti gas (136hp) vs 2.5 d4d diesel (102hp
Parehas lang ba konsumo ng dalawang engine na yan? Na magkakatalo na lang sa price na hamak na mas mura ang diesel sa gas. Kasi kung engine displament ng vvti is maliit lang as engine maker na 2.0 lang. Ang diesel 2.5 ung engine displament nya. Pagkakaintindi ko mas malaki na engine displacement malaki kain ng gas o diesel.pakishare na lang po nalalaman niyo po base rin dun sa actual use nyo sa innova mapagas o diesel.

- That is an old saying from 5 decades where in a car with a bigger displacement is faster and is a gas guzzler.
I have a D4-D innova it has an FC of 10-12km/l in the metro and 14km/l on the open highways




No.2 question.
Nakita ko rin na ang diesel ay may 102hp at ang vvti ay may 136hp. Dba pag mataas na hp(horsepower)is mas malakas ang hatak compare sa diesel na 102hp?kung loaded ng 8people ang innova pabiyahe baguio kasama ung bagahe sa topload. Sinu ang malakas sa hatakan at pabilisan,ang vvti o d4d? Really confuse kasi vvti have high hp while diesel have only 102hp.ang laki ng dipirensya.

- Kung tutuusin underpowered ng 2.0 na gas innova compared sa 102hp pag diesel sa torque tinitignan. mabilis ang toyota Innova diesel


No.3 question.
Alin sa dalawa ang malaki ang maintenance at wala halos maintenance?

- The VVT-I innova has a cheaper maintainance compared to the d4-d Innova



No4.queston.
Sa engine lifespan sinu mas tatagal vvti o d4d.same na pagaalaga at maintenance.


Pasensya na kung mejo mkumplikado tanong ko kasi gusto ko lang magkaidea at before buying a 2nd hand innova or a brandnew na basta pasok sa budget ko. Ok lang sakin kung vvti bilhin ko kasi hindi naman ako naghahabol sa price ng gas o diesel.i just want a clear answer na nakkapagconfuse sakin.

Thank you very much and .. Godbless

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[maze]

I have question guys. Plan ko bumili ng 2nd hand na innova.

1."fuel consumption" . 2.0 vvti gas (136hp) vs 2.5 d4d diesel (102hp
Parehas lang ba konsumo ng dalawang engine na yan? Na magkakatalo na lang sa price na hamak na mas mura ang diesel sa gas. Kasi kung engine displament ng vvti is maliit lang as engine maker na 2.0 lang. Ang diesel 2.5 ung engine displament nya. Pagkakaintindi ko mas malaki na engine displacement malaki kain ng gas o diesel.pakishare na lang po nalalaman niyo po base rin dun sa actual use nyo sa innova mapagas o diesel.

No.2 question.
Nakita ko rin na ang diesel ay may 102hp at ang vvti ay may 136hp. Dba pag mataas na hp(horsepower)is mas malakas ang hatak compare sa diesel na 102hp?kung loaded ng 8people ang innova pabiyahe baguio kasama ung bagahe sa topload. Sinu ang malakas sa hatakan at pabilisan,ang vvti o d4d? Really confuse kasi vvti have high hp while diesel have only 102hp.ang laki ng dipirensya.


No.3 question.
Alin sa dalawa ang malaki ang maintenance at wala halos maintenance?

No4.queston.
Sa engine lifespan sinu mas tatagal vvti o d4d.same na pagaalaga at maintenance.

Pasensya na kung mejo mkumplikado tanong ko kasi gusto ko lang magkaidea at before buying a 2nd hand innova or a brandnew na basta pasok sa budget ko. Ok lang sakin kung vvti bilhin ko kasi hindi naman ako naghahabol sa price ng gas o diesel.i just want a clear answer na nakkapagconfuse sakin.

Thank you very much and .. Godbless

1. For me nung nagbiyahe kami 13ltrs/100kms ang fc ko sa vvti gas matic biyaheng bicol,walang trapik yong na tumatakbo ka ng 100kms sa kalsada kasi habulan pabilisan,lalot mga bus na nabiyahe bicol.

2.no idea pero gusto ko diesel kasi mura.

[maze]

Ask ko lang .. Another problem. May bitak kasi ung belt , napansin ko lang kahapon. Safe paba to? Or need na palita?magkano kaya aabutin.Kasi nextweek long distance biyahe ako.mapapalaban ulet si innova ko. Gas vvti matic.tnx

Wala na shaking sa manibela. Napuruhan sa bicol ung pinakamamahal kong innova.. Huhu..

[garfield_08]

Good day!

Our 2006 Innova just started to leak on the roof after a heavy downpour, on the driver' side corner where the windshield meets the roof panel. Nabasa yung headliner. I tried to remedy the problem using epoxy silicone sealant (translucent type) but the leak was still there after another rainshower. I tried uninstalling the A-pillar moulding pero wala ako makitang butas where the leak is coming from.

Any recommended sealant and/or DIY tip to solve this? TIA.

[crosswind]

Good day!

Our 2006 Innova just started to leak on the roof after a heavy downpour, on the driver' side corner where the windshield meets the roof panel. Nabasa yung headliner. I tried to remedy the problem using epoxy silicone sealant (translucent type) but the leak was still there after another rainshower. I tried uninstalling the A-pillar moulding pero wala ako makitang butas where the leak is coming from.

Any recommended sealant and/or DIY tip to solve this? TIA.

I bet the rubber seal is not placed properly or it is broken already

[innova2013]

Good day!

Our 2006 Innova just started to leak on the roof after a heavy downpour, on the driver' side corner where the windshield meets the roof panel. Nabasa yung headliner. I tried to remedy the problem using epoxy silicone sealant (translucent type) but the leak was still there after another rainshower. I tried uninstalling the A-pillar moulding pero wala ako makitang butas where the leak is coming from.

Any recommended sealant and/or DIY tip to solve this? TIA.

kailangang i-remount yung windshield bro kung walang makitang rusted/bulok na part sa area na yun.

nangyari sakin dati pero sa ibang sasakyan.

try mo mag inquire sa Aguila Glass, baka kaya nilang gawin ng hindi binabaklas yung windshield.

[garfield_08]

*innova2013 & *crosswind - thank you for the inputs.

so far wala naman rust sa concerned area, and the rubber seal seems to remain intact (walang crack). Try ko na lang dalin sa windshield installers para macheck yung problem, mukhang di na pwedeng DIY.

[dr. d]

Ask ko lang .. Another problem. May bitak kasi ung belt , napansin ko lang kahapon. Safe paba to? Or need na palita?magkano kaya aabutin.Kasi nextweek long distance biyahe ako.mapapalaban ulet si innova ko. Gas vvti matic.tnx

Wala na shaking sa manibela. Napuruhan sa bicol ung pinakamamahal kong innova.. Huhu..

palitan nyo na po ang belt. hindi na safe yan.

[dr. d]

I have question guys. Plan ko bumili ng 2nd hand na innova.

1."fuel consumption" . 2.0 vvti gas (136hp) vs 2.5 d4d diesel (102hp
Parehas lang ba konsumo ng dalawang engine na yan? Na magkakatalo na lang sa price na hamak na mas mura ang diesel sa gas. Kasi kung engine displament ng vvti is maliit lang as engine maker na 2.0 lang. Ang diesel 2.5 ung engine displament nya. Pagkakaintindi ko mas malaki na engine displacement malaki kain ng gas o diesel.pakishare na lang po nalalaman niyo po base rin dun sa actual use nyo sa innova mapagas o diesel.

No.2 question.
Nakita ko rin na ang diesel ay may 102hp at ang vvti ay may 136hp. Dba pag mataas na hp(horsepower)is mas malakas ang hatak compare sa diesel na 102hp?kung loaded ng 8people ang innova pabiyahe baguio kasama ung bagahe sa topload. Sinu ang malakas sa hatakan at pabilisan,ang vvti o d4d? Really confuse kasi vvti have high hp while diesel have only 102hp.ang laki ng dipirensya.


No.3 question.
Alin sa dalawa ang malaki ang maintenance at wala halos maintenance?

No4.queston.
Sa engine lifespan sinu mas tatagal vvti o d4d.same na pagaalaga at maintenance.

Pasensya na kung mejo mkumplikado tanong ko kasi gusto ko lang magkaidea at before buying a 2nd hand innova or a brandnew na basta pasok sa budget ko. Ok lang sakin kung vvti bilhin ko kasi hindi naman ako naghahabol sa price ng gas o diesel.i just want a clear answer na nakkapagconfuse sakin.

Thank you very much and .. Godbless

1. my diesel MT does 10 km/li. at today's prices, that's 370 km per 1000 bucks fuel. my relative's vvti MT does 8 km/li. at today's prices, that's 200 km per 1000 bucks fuel.

2. diesels have more torque than gas. torque = pulling power. gas engines usually have higher top speed.

3. that's a tricky question, depending on who you are asking. gas proponents argue that diesels need more care than gas. i have a D4d. i haven't "cared" for it in ten years. only fuel, oil, shocks, battery.

4. most engines last a very looong time, if they are properly cared for.

good luck with your hunt.

[Deliq]

1. my diesel MT does 10 km/li. at today's prices, that's 370 km per 1000 bucks fuel. my relative's vvti MT does 8 km/li. at today's prices, that's 200 km per 1000 bucks fuel.

2. diesels have more torque than gas. torque = pulling power. gas engines usually have higher top speed.

3. that's a tricky question, depending on who you are asking. gas proponents argue that diesels need more care than gas. i have a D4d. i haven't "cared" for it in ten years. only fuel, oil, shocks, battery.

4. most engines last a very looong time, if they are properly cared for.

good luck with your hunt.

Tnx dr.d.. Nakabuy na ako 2013 e gas at odo 33479. 340k ko lang po nabili.sa fren ko lang nabili,mahal kasi ung 2012 diesel around 600k. Kaya gas nalang mura pa.

[ParticleX]

I already had the EGR blocked. Main purpose ko lang naman is to keep the intake clean, Dunno kung placebo lang but halos di ko na ramdam yung lag sa throttle. The pipe was removed and thick aluminum blanking plates was installed, I think yung mga maninipis na kaya mag sandwich without removing the EGR pipe has a chance to fail

Next mod ko is to buy a cheap oil catch can and modify it - they do not work as intended daw. Maraming forums ang may posts about improving OCCs for not a lot of money (steel trap, baffles etc)

No Toyota casas near me will let me use my own oil, so pinagiisipan ko pa if I will continue casa PMS, around 9k na ako. Ideas?

[crosswind]

Tnx dr.d.. Nakabuy na ako 2013 e gas at odo 33479. 340k ko lang po nabili.sa fren ko lang nabili,mahal kasi ung 2012 diesel around 600k. Kaya gas nalang mura pa.

Wow you got yourself a nice bargain mate!! 2013 Innova E vvti sells roughly around 450-500k pesos.

[piscesboy]

Patulong po. Noticed this mornng marami tubig sa ilalim ng sasakyan, kala ko tubig ulan lang dahil umulan kagabi pero nung tiningnan ko may tumatagas galing dun sa ilalim, ano po kaya problem ?