The Perpetual NBA Thread

[theveed]

IMO: Shaq's freethrow criticism is overrated, Duncan is just as bad, Wilt is just as bad, Russel was just as bad... Bruce Bowen is just as bad... He's just a big star under a microscope IMO. Yes, those freethrows are critical, but I'd take a poor free throw shooter over a player who forces shot any day. At least, if you miss free throws, the clock is stopped and you still have a good chance of grabbing a rebound. Anyway..

Report: Malone may join Shaq in Miami
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Could Karl Malone be reunited with Shaquille O'Neal?

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According to a report in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, the agent for Malone said the Mailman has listed the Miami Heat as one of the teams he would consider playing for.

Malone, the NBA's second-leading scorer all-time behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, had indicated that he wouldn't return for a 19th season if his surgically repaired right knee wasn't sound. Retirement is one option the future Hall of Famer has seriously considered. Now, playing alongside O'Neal again appears to be another.

Dwight Manley, Malone's agent, indicated that he had talked to the Heat about his client possibly joining the team.

Malone's brief tenure with the Lakers appears over. The Lakers signed center Vlade Divac from Sacramento on Monday, and acquired three forwards (Caron Butler, Lamar Odom and Brian Grant) in the trade with the Heat involving O'Neal.

Malone scored well below his career averages in an injury-plagued 2003-04 season. Malone, who has averaged 25.0 points per game in his 18-year career, averaged a career-low 13.2 points last year.

Robert Horry, a veteran of five NBA championship teams (including three with O'Neal and the Lakers), is also considering a move to Miami.

[theveed]

interesting read

Shooting stars
Finding out the NBA's most -- and least -- efficient shooters
Posted: Tuesday February 25, 2003 1:16 AM
Updated: Tuesday February 25, 2003 5:51 PM


Najera's layups make him the NBA's most efficient shooter. Glenn James/NBAE/
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By John Hollinger, SI.com

While Tracy McGrady and Kobe Bryant are busy making it a two-horse race for the title of the league's most prolific scorer, another question remains unanswered: Who is the league's most efficient scorer? In other words, who gets the most out of his shot attempts?

At first, one might look to field-goal percentage to answer this question. Shaquille O'Neal is running away with the league lead at 55.9 percent. So does that settle it? Not exactly.

For one thing, the top 10 in field-goal percentage consist entirely of forwards and centers. There are no guards because they're the ones taking all the 3-point shots, which are lower percentage but worth an extra point. Shooting 38 percent on those, for instance, is better than as Shaq shooting 55.9 percent on lay-ups and dunks.

For another, there are free throws. Shaq spends huge chunks of the game at the line, where he hits just 61 percent of his tries. Perhaps a player with a lower field-goal percentage but a more respectable mark from the line is actually more effeicient.

To settle this, I created a stat called points per shot attempt, or PSA. To compute it, take free-throw attempts and multiply by 0.44, then add field-goal attempts. Take the player's points and divide by that number, and you're done:

PSA = Points / (FGA + (FTA *0.44))

(Why multiply by 0.44? Because one free throw attempt is equivalent to 0.44 field goal attempts. It would be 0.5 exactly if every foul resulted in two shots, but one-shot fouls after made baskets, technical fouls and lane violations bring the number down.)

So enough with the numbers already. Who are the best?

Here's this year's top 10 in PSA:

The top 10
Points per shot attempt, minimum 500 minutes
Player Team PPG FG% FT% PSA
Eduardo Najera Dal 7.3 61.7 .720 1.323
Andrei Kirilenko Uta 12.2 51.1 .811 1.281
Reggie Miller Ind 13.7 45.0 .883 1.266
Eric Piatkowski LAC 9.5 48.4 .828 1.230
P.J. Brown NO 10.5 53.8 .866 1.230
Doug Christie Sac 10.4 48.4 .814 1.222
Jake Voskuhl Pho 3.5 55.2 .692 1.216
Brad Miller Ind 14.2 51.1 .824 1.212
Tony Battie Bos 7.6 55.7 .763 1.203
Yao Ming Hou 13.5 51.8 .798 1.196


Dallas' Eduardo Najera, a decent shooter who nonetheless mostly accepts dunks and layups from Steve Nash and Nick Van Exel, has been the most efficient scorer in the league. Of course, he only averages seven points a game because he's such an afterthought in the Mavericks' offense.

In fact, most of the players on the list above are third options or worse for their teams. While all of them have been fantastic when they get opportunities, none is among the game's elite scorers. As a result, let's modify the top 10 list a bit by restricting it to players who are averaging 15 or more points per game:

Top 10 major scorers
Points per shot attempt, players averaging 15 points or more
Player Team PPG FG% FT% PSA
Shaquille O'Neal LAL 25.9 55.9 61.0 1.195
Matt Harpring Uta 18.4 50.6 79.7 1.184
Bobby Jackson Sac 18.0 49.2 85.4 1.180
Peja Stojakovic Sac 18.9 46.9 84.8 1.179
Pau Gasol Mem 18.1 50.6 73.5 1.168
Dirk Nowitzki Dal 23.6 46.8 85.9 1.165
Steve Nash Dal 17.9 45.9 91.3 1.157
Wally Szczerbiak Min 16.5 47.2 85.3 1.145
Shareef Abdur-Rahim Atl 19.9 46.7 82.9 1.140
Corey Maggette LAC 16.4 44.7 77.7 1.137


O'Neal, despite his awful free-throw shooting, is still the most efficient scorer among the league's prominent offensive weapons. In fact, he has a fairly sizable lead over the next closest player, Utah's Matt Harpring, despite a sore toe that's bothered Shaq all season. The only other 20-point scorer to crack the top 10 is Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki, whose 46.8 field-goal percentage isn't that remarkable until you consider all the 3-pointers he's taken.

Looking closer at the last two charts, Dallas' three international N's: Najera (Mexico), Nowitzki (Germany), and Nash (Canada), go a long way toward explaining why the Mavs have such a deadly offense. The two featured players, Nash and Nowitzki, are in the top seven in the league in PSA among players averaging 15 or more; meanwhile, Najera easily has the highest PSA in the league. Shawn Bradley just missed being in the top 10 as well.

But enough about the good guys. I know what you're thinking already: What about the worst guys? I won't disappoint you. Here's the NBA's bottom ten in PSA among players who have played at least 500 minutes:

The bottom 10
Points per shot attempt, minimum 500 minutes
Player Team PPG FG% FT% PSA
DeSagana Diop Cle 1.4 34.3 39.1 0.712
Jeff Foster Ind 1.9 33.3 52.4 0.747
Junior Harrington Den 5.0 34.9 56.7 0.767
Bimbo Coles Cle 4.9 28.6 79.4 0.769
Nikoloz Tskitishvili Den 3.5 29.2 72.9 0.773
Pat Burke Orl 4.0 35.9 75.0 0.798
Damon Stoudamire Por 5.2 32.7 69.0 0.813
Juaquin Hawkins Hou 2.7 37.3 66.7 0.833
Trenton Hassell Chi 4.6 37.8 69.0 0.849
Jeryl Sasser Orl 2.8 33.1 73.2 0.858


If DeSagana Diop is about to shoot it, there's a good chance somebody on the bench is yelling "Nooooooooo!!!" Cleveland's lottery bust is managing the difficult feat of shooting below 40 percent from both the field and the foul line, leading to a ghastly 0.712 PSA. Diop isn't the only Cav on the list either; teammate Bimbo Coles is fourth from the bottom at .769.

The Nuggets are on pace to be the worst offense in NBA history, so it's no surprise that they also placed two players in the bottom five. Rookie point guard Junior Harrington has struggled from the field and the line en route to the third-worst mark. But the guy who might have the most to worry about is rookie forward Nikoloz Tskitishvili. An alleged shooter, his putrid 29.2 percentage has raised eyebrows among Nuggets fans wondering why he was picked ahead of Amare Stoudemire.

Yet the bottom list is a bit disappointing as well, because it's made up of players that we already knew couldn't play. What we really want to find out is who, among the NBA's prominent scorers, isn't cashing in enough of their shots? To answer that, I limited the following list to players averaging 10 or more points per game:

Please stop shooting
Lowest points per shot attempt, players averaging 10 or more points
Player Team PPG FG% FT% PSA
Michael Olowokandi LAC 12.3 42.7 65.7 0.923
Malik Allen Mia 10.4 43.8 73.7 0.926
Dajuan Wagner Cle 14.0 37.0 80.0 0.952
Antoine Walker Bos 20.9 39.1 61.9 0.959
Morris Peterson Tor 14.8 38.8 78.8 0.968
Caron Butler Mia 14.1 39.4 82.2 0.974
James Posey Hou 10.6 38.0 82.2 0.974
Antonio Davis Tor 14.3 40.9 74.0 0.975
Vince Carter Tor 18.2 42.8 76.2 0.981
Cliff Robinson Det 12.6 40.7 65.2 0.981


As we can see, the Clippers' strategy of feeding the ball to Michael Olowokandi is highly questionable when one considers his low-impact shooting (not to mention all the turnovers, but that's a story for another day).

Two more surprising names on the list are Antoine Walker and Vince Carter. Walker has been just as erratic as ever from the field this year (a career-low 39 percent), and has also hurt himself with a free-throw mark that has plummetted to 61.9. Carter, meanwhile, has compounded his low-percentage shooting by making himself a rare visitor to the free-throw line. He takes nearly six field-goal attempts for every free throw, clobbering his PSA in the process.

Overall, PSA is superior tool to field-goal percentage because it also takes in 3-point shooting and free-throw success. While accurate shooters shouldn't necessarily be featured scorers -- I don't imagine the Mavs are drawing up plays for Najera right now -- it does reflect which players make the most of their scoring chances.

[baiskee]

Originally posted by kimpOy
if i were the lakers ite-trade ko talaga yan si oneal,

last training camp walang lumabas sa bibig niyan kungdi contract extension...
and sa hindi nakaka alam yung existing contract niya is 3 years 90 million

overweight and injuries, an extension will eat away salary cap.

time to rebuild: with or without kobe
as detroit showed you dont need a superstar to win the o'brien trophy

[ILuvDetailing]

Bottomline: If shaq comes to training camp in great shape, Heat are serious contenders, if not... well good luck.

Shaq used to dominate the opposing frontlines all by himself, able to explode to the basket even with defenders drapped all over him, his second and third jumps are just as explosive... The shaq I saw during the 2004 finals IS NOT the same shaq, but he still can dominate in streches, but appears to be winded when the Pistons run. True, he is still the most dominant player in the game, but for long? I hope that he gets in great shape and lead the Heat to the finals... am a big fan of his but am disappointed with is offseason conditioning regimen.

[RedHorse]

forget lakers muna,

Yong magkapatid na coach, the Van Gundy brothers, aba, parehong may Big Man..

Sana sa all stars sila ang coach ng magkabilang team.. Shaq vs Yao.. Wade vs TMac

pagkakataon nga naman...

[ssaloon]

mas nayayabangan ako kay kobe kaysa kay shaq. but that's just me ;)

[empy]

Originally posted by theveed
interesting read

Shooting stars
Finding out the NBA's most -- and least -- efficient shooters

By John Hollinger, SI.com

this guy is the ultimate sports geek! :D

[theveed]

ako o yung author? hehe... either case, it's partially true hahaha.

ako as much as i admire kobe's skills, he's a far cry from a class act in terms of a sportsman. he'll never be able to carry a team, parang "Lukawa" yan sa Slam Dunk, kahit gano ka kagaling, kung di ka team player, wala ka mararating... Oh, like Iverson and Carter hehe.

[empy]

Originally posted by theveed
ako o yung author? hehe... either case, it's partially true hahaha.

yung author pre...:bwahaha:

i wish i was more of a sports geek - with that type of analysis maybe i could win our $1k football pool :D

[ILuvDetailing]

In two or three years Yao Ming will be the NBAs no. 1 center, no not as dominating as Shaq.. no one will ever be as dominating as Shaq, but will dominate the game the same way Bill Walton did.. with his all around play.

Well see in two or three years whether Kobe can lead the Lakers, my bet is he will... simply because he is just too smart to have to do it all by himself, he's just testing himself testing his skills and testing his limits as a player, you've got too remember he's just 25 and entering his prime.