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    #19841
    Quote Originally Posted by _Cathy_ View Post
    Is it just me but it seems like sa mga mapera na vloggers wala na atang pandemic, is it the same for other rich folks? Travel, shopping, kain sa labas I don't even know what these people will use new things for (bags, shoes, jewelry etc).
    folks are simply tired of the pandemic mask + face shield + un-social behavior...

    they want life to back to as they remember.

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    #19842
    Baba ng efficacy ng Sinovac... 50% lang. Pero OK na daw yung sabi ng DOST since WHO minimum is 50%. Mediocrity being the hallmark of Public service in da PH...

    Sinovac vaccine’s 5% efficacy is acceptable—DOST | Inquirer News

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    #19843
    The second variant from South Africa has reached UK..

    Another new variant of COVID-19 virus found in the UK: Health minister - CNA
    "This new variant is highly concerning, because it is yet more transmissible, and it appears to have mutated further than the new variant has been discovered in the UK," he said.
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    Singapore confirms first case of new coronavirus variant found in UK | ABS-CBN News

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    #19844
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    evolving new variants is nothing new.
    the influenza virus has many types, subtypes, and strains.

    what i wish for, is that the subsequent covid variants will prove to be as lethal to ordinary humen as the common cold...

    who knows,
    the covid 19 virus might eventually disappear into the pages of medical history as an ordinary, self-limiting, non-lethal virus...
    Last edited by dr. d; December 24th, 2020 at 06:33 PM.

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    #19845
    Sinovac was asking Brazil to withold the results until Indonesia and Turkey releases their respective 3rd phase trials...

    But cat is out of the bag.



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    #19846
    50% is internationally acceptable standard.
    even the popular flu vaccine is only 40-60% effective...

    50% effective is a lot better than 0% effective (aka no vaccine).
    yes, i know it smacks of the "puede na" mentality.
    but hey! think "herd immunity".

    personally,
    i think the preference of some markets for pfizer and astra over sinovac, is more of a political decision...
    but that's just me.

    hey!
    these vaccines are not even a year old!
    it will take many years, for a decision on which vaccine is the superior one...
    Last edited by dr. d; December 24th, 2020 at 09:47 PM.

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    #19847
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Matindi yang South African variant, kahit 6 weeks na nag popositive parin. Humigpit tuloy quarantine protocol.

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    #19848
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Sinovac was asking Brazil to withold the results until Indonesia and Turkey releases their respective 3rd phase trials...

    But cat is out of the bag.


    Asus daming reklamo, siya nga 20% lang pwede na.

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    #19849
    Sinovac made in China

    50% effective only

    50% more expensive pa


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    #19850
    bwisit talaga yan china virus

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    #19852
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post


    There is no stopping the reign of the Antichrist, the New World Order also wants to abolish private property by 2030 as told to the media by World Economic Forum chair Klaus Schwab

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    #19853
    Wait for a peer to peer paper to get the real efficacy on the Sinovac vaccine...

    Coronavirus: Turkey says China’s CoronaVac vaccine 91.25 per cent effective | South China Morning Post

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    #19854
    pfizer and moderna's vaccines cause the immune system to make very specific antibodies coz they present only the spike protein to the immune system

    sinopharm and sinovac's inactivated virus vaccines present the whole virus to the immune system so antibodies produced are varied (the body makes antibodies to more parts of the virus not only the spike) -- parang antibodies in convalescent plasma

    that may explain why pfizer and moderna's vaccines have higher efficacy coz antibodies produced are concentrated

    in inactivated virus vaccines many of the antibodies produced aren't very useful and the most useful ones (the ones that bind to the spike) aren't as many

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    re mutations

    changes to the spike can go too far that antibodies (generated by currenct vaccines) don't recognize or only partially recognize

    keep in mind all SARSCOV2 vaccines being manufactured now are designed based on older variants of the virus (as old as January 2020 variants)

    1 year into the pandemic the virus underwent a lot of evolutionary pressure in human immune systems

    our immune systems try to neutralize it, it wants to survive

    we use antivirals to eliminate it, it wants to survive

    so it's inevitable that variants with higher survival advantage arise and become the dominant variant
    Last edited by uls; December 25th, 2020 at 12:31 PM.

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    #19856
    there are variants that can escape antibodies in convalescent plasma

    antibodies that can hunt down wild type virus can't see new mutants

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    #19857
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    there are variants that can escape antibodies in convalescent plasma

    antibodies that can hunt down wild type virus can't see new mutants
    it probably depends on whether the antigenic sites have mutated enough or not.

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    #19858
    ang intindi ko sa pfizer and moderna vaccines eh parang instructions lang pinapadala nila sa immune system natin like ito yun itsura ng virus so pag na infect ka alam na nila unlike conventional vaccines na virus talaga mismo pinapadala,

    re:inoculation

    papayagan ba private mag pasok ng sariling vaccine or kailagan dumaan lahat sa govt? I mean do we have a choice kung punta ako ng doctor or hospital then sariling bayad or dadaan lahat ng govt.

    parang walang aasahan sa govt kung sila pa aantayin
    Last edited by shadow; December 25th, 2020 at 01:41 PM.

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    #19859
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    ang intindi ko sa pfizer and moderna vaccines eh parang instructions lang pinapadala nila sa immune system natin like ito yun itsura ng virus so pag na infect ka alam na nila unlike conventional vaccines na virus talaga mismo pinapadala,

    re:inoculation

    papayagan ba private mag pasok ng sariling vaccine or kailagan dumaan lahat sa govt? I mean do we have a choice kung punta ako ng doctor or hospital then sariling bayad or dadaan lahat ng govt.

    parang walang aasahan sa govt kung sila pa aantayin
    pfizer and moderna's vaccines contain instructions on how to make the spike protein

    The instructions go into cells and cells make the spike and the immune system sees the spike and reacts

    Ung bakuna ng sinovac and sinopharm old fashioned vaccines they contain inactivated whole virus

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    #19860
    Diba private sector companies bibili ng bakuna ng azn/oxford

    Pwede yata mag import as long as approved na ng PH FDA ung bakuna

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