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    #15441
    Quote Originally Posted by ;3191322
    ^^^

    well yes malaking tulong nga ang rapid test kahit may duda ang accuracy

    o
    all these tests are new. they have been in the market for only a few months yet.
    many tests still need validation.
    we must remember that due to the pandemic situation, products that normally need years of development, are being rushed. the USA has allowed "shortcuts" in their development.
    as such, the interpreters of the result do need proper orientation.
    it is not a simple yes-or-no thing.

    if we are looking for a test that's 100% accurate,
    "there's no such thing."
    Last edited by dr. d; July 30th, 2020 at 01:33 AM.

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    #15442
    was this the supposed "cure all" chinese medicine that was mentioned here before?

    FALSE: FDA approves Chinese medicine for treating COVID-19

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    #15443
    - yan yung nirequest ng AFP chief of staff doon sa chinese embassy

    - mukhang ginamit ni bongbong marcos yan

    - binigyan ni bongbong si benhur abalos

    mga officiales na mga yan. Ang ginagamit chinese medicine.

    Hindi remdesivir, hindi hydroclorox ni trumpo, Pang hospital na. Pang 3million na gastusan.

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    #15444
    Ancient drug pala ito si liahua qingwen.

    Yan ang panahon na genuine pa pagtuklas ng gamot (hindi ala dengoyvaxia)



    Chinese traditional medicine treatment for Covid-19 inspired by 1,800-year-old medical textbook produces fortune for makers

    - The Lianhua Qingwen capsule has become part of China’s standard therapy for Covid-19 patients

    - A clutch of traditional Chinese medicine makers has reaped stunning results in the first quarter

    Yujing Liu and Pearl Liu
    Published: 8:30am, 29 Jun, 2020





    One of China’s treatments for Covid-19 is a controversial traditional Chinese medicine inspired by a medical textbook written 1,800 years ago. The huge popularity of the drug – the Lianhua Qingwen capsule – has produced massive fortunes for the company behind it, as well as its shareholders.

    Beyond the increased sales from the coronavirus pandemic, however, traditional remedy makers still face an uphill battle to prove their medical efficacy, maintain their domestic market share and win recognition overseas.

    “Sales income from the Lianhua Qingwen capsule almost doubled in the first quarter of this year,” said Wu Xiangjun, general manager of Shijiazhuang Yiling Pharmaceutical, which produces the drug, in a written exchange with the South China Morning Post. “We continue to actively push for the product to be registered and sold overseas.”

    The capsule, developed in 2003 to treat severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars), extracts the essence of 13 herbs based on prescriptions that date back to classic medical texts written during the Han dynasty (206BC–220AD).

    In February, it became part of China’s national standard therapy for Covid-19 patients, along with two other traditional Chinese medicine formulas. There is currently no known cure for the disease.

    Chinese embassies also included it in a care package sent to Chinese students overseas alongside masks and disinfecting wipes. The drug is now sold for as much as £19 (US$24) on e-commerce site eBay in the UK for a box that is priced at about 25 yuan (US$4) in China.

    Thanks in part to officials’ promotion and support, the pandemic has cemented the important role of traditional Chinese medicine in the country’s health care system, despite intense controversies over its effectiveness. It accounts for 18 per cent to 30 per cent of China’s 2 trillion yuan (US$283 billion) drug market, according to various estimates.

    “We got more requests from patients asking for traditional Chinese medicine to treat common sickness such as cold and diarrhoea after the pandemic started,” said Mandy Zuo, a doctor working a public hospital in northeastern China’s Tianjin city.

    As a result, traditional Chinese medicine makers have reaped stunning results in the first quarter. Shijiazhuang Yiling Pharmaceutical, for example, reported a 52 per cent jump in net profit to 438 million yuan from the same period last year.

    Shares of the Shenzhen-listed company skyrocketed by 148 per cent this year to 30.58 yuan. Meanwhile, the number of its shareholders also more than doubled to over 108,000 in March from the end of last year.

    Tianjin Chase Sun Pharmaceutical, which produces the Xuebijing injection, one of the three formulas included in the national standard therapy, said revenue from the product surged “substantially” to 178 million yuan. Its stock price advanced 57 per cent this year so far.

    And Shandong Wohua Pharmaceutical, which produces several granule products that treat influenza, posted a 226 per cent surge in net profit to 44.1 million yuan.

    Despite the success, traditional Chinese medicine companies are still facing several big challenges.

    Most Western-trained scientists and doctors are still sceptical about the efficacy of the traditional remedies, as they have not passed rigorous clinical trials that could serve as evidence in modern medicine.

    Even though Beijing has pushed to modernise traditional Chinese medicine through publishing new standards, it is not enough to make up for the scientific unsoundness, said a June editorial published in prestigious scientific journal Nature.

    “If TCM were to gain trust from the Western world, it has to prove its clinical value by passing the clinical trials, a standard set by the Western world and followed by most of the world,” said Zhang Jialin, a health care analyst at ICBC International.

    So far, the Lianhua Qingwen capsule has been approved to be sold in Brazil, Indonesia, Canada, Mozambique, Singapore, Romania, Ecuador, as well as Hong Kong and Macau, according to the company.

    “The difference in the Eastern and Western cultures means that it will be exceptionally difficult for traditional Chinese medicine to go out of China,” said Xu Jingren, chairman of Yangzijiang Pharmaceutical Group, a traditional drug maker based in the eastern province of Jiangsu.

    The sector is also weakened by Chinese authorities’ effort in recent years to lower the percentage of drug-selling income in hospitals’ overall income, according to Cyrus Ng, an analyst at Fosun Hani Securities in Hong Kong who specialises in pharmaceuticals.

    This is because most traditional medicine is usually supplementary in treatment, and has been abused by doctors to generate profit in the past, he said.

    “The government’s attitude is quite conflicted,” said Ng. “It wants to promote the industry, but on the other hand, the national medical insurance fund is facing a deficit crisis and it has to cut expenses somehow.”

    Chinese traditional medicine treatment for Covid-19 inspired by 1,8-year-old medical textbook produces fortune for makers | South China Morning Post

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    #15445
    Quote Originally Posted by kagalingan View Post
    - yan yung nirequest ng AFP chief of staff doon sa chinese embassy

    - mukhang ginamit ni bongbong marcos yan

    - binigyan ni bongbong si benhur abalos

    mga officiales na mga yan. Ang ginagamit chinese medicine.

    Hindi remdesivir, hindi hydroclorox ni trumpo, Pang hospital na. Pang 3million na gastusan.

    Babagsak presyo nyan.

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    #15446
    Quote Originally Posted by BratPAQ View Post
    Meron sa DOH website. Just scroll down a bit. It actually peaked at 13.6%


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    May positive bias kasi yang data nayan. The positivity rate might be lower than reported.
    From the 18,003 na tested using PCR, ilan dyan ang nirefer for PCR validation testing because they initially tested positive sa rapid test?

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    #15447
    re: positivity rate

    whether it's 13% or 9% it's still high

    dapat below 5%

    --

    re: rapid test

    kung hindi dahil sa widespread use ng rapid test many people who have the virus wouldn't have been swab tested specially those who don't have any symptoms

    rapid test brought out candidates for swab test

    remember dati meron criteria for swab test (meron symptoms, close contact, etc)

    if you didn't meet the criteria you wouldn't be tested

    kumbaga rapid test became a screening tool for swab test
    Last edited by uls; July 30th, 2020 at 08:16 AM.

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    #15448
    For last Monday alone, positivity rate was 13% out of 20k tested. 9% out of 1m tested to date. 110k cases na pala dapat ngayon or does it include those who tested more than once...




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    #15449
    Quote Originally Posted by akosijhay View Post
    Ano kaya yung malaking pagba bago na i a-announce daw bukas? Naalala ko ung proposal ni Roque na GCQ pero kailangan ng Q Pass kapag papasok sa mga establishments (pareho ng sistema sa Cavite).
    "Libing experiment" daw. I-cull na nila yun mga mag positive.


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    #15450
    I've read that they will FINALLY use the mega rehab center in Nueva Ecija as quarantine facility.

    March ko pa sinasabi bakit ayaw nilang gamitin eh wala naman pakinabang


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    #15451
    Baka dyan na magtago si kags.

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    #15452
    Quote Originally Posted by Wh1stl3r View Post
    Baka dyan na magtago si kags.
    Kung nandyan si Beyonce, walang duda iyan....

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    #15453
    Closed issue, PNP chief says of Sinas’ ‘mañanita’

    Read more: Closed issue, PNP chief says of Sinas’ ‘mananita’ | Inquirer News
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    #15454
    Confirmed positive... 4 days after Fr. Faraon died....


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    #15455
    Quote Originally Posted by CVT View Post
    Kung nandyan si Beyonce, walang duda iyan....
    Kidding aside bro, I'd probably hide there too if things get worse. With or without Beyonce.

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    #15456
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    For last Monday alone, positivity rate was 13% out of 20k tested. 9% out of 1m tested to date. 110k cases na pala dapat ngayon or does it include those who tested more than once...




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    yes whether it's 13% or 9%... madami yan

    for every 100 people you test you'll find 13 positives

    that's a lot

    every 1,000,000 people meron 130,000 positibo

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    #15457
    Testing done for Tuesday



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    #15458
    should get positivity rate below 5%

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    #15459
    Tomorrow is officially declared as holiday but is useless nowhere to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deestone View Post
    Tomorrow is officially declared as holiday but is useless nowhere to go.

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    Yes. It feels like every day is like the day before.

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