Military Hardware Thread [Split]

[yebo]

speaking of the philippine navy, we had 1 PCE Class corvette (if i remember right, the PS-21 Datu Marikudu), and 2 korean made SK Sea Hawk/Sea Killer class patrol vessels guard us when we drilled for oil in the sulu sea last year. there was also a navy seal team on board the rig and on the supply boats (actually, 2 work/supply ships but over here we call them boats).

one time a banka with 4 armed men (yes, a banka, they probably did not see the navy boats since 2 were on the other side of the rig and the other one tied up to one of the supply boats) approached one of the supply boats demanding to board and inspect the boat. of course part of the seal team that was stationed on that supply boat trained their m60 and m16s on them and had them arrested. the corvete was called to the scene since the commander of the task force was on board that vessel. the corvette and patrol boat #1 was 8 nautical miles away, the other patrol boat #2(tied up to one of the supply boats) was farther to the other side. it took a good 1 hour for PS-21 to reach the supply boat. on the other hand the korean made patrol boat #2 that first responded covered the greater distance in less than 15 minutes! maingay lang nga ang engines nung korean made vessels, di mo na need ng radar para ma-detect siya pag naka-full speed. the spray of water being thrown from its propellers was indicative of the boat's power, it was as high as the boat's mast.

they had to let the 4 fools go, they were with the CUSTOMS OFFICE in Jolo (they had IDs). those 4 even threatened the navy guys that if they set foot in Jolo they will be dead, imagine that! what puzzled us was after those 4 were release, they headed toward malaysia

[CoDer]

tama si sir FrankDrebin, wag na nating isali ang status ng gobyerno dito.

Maganda bili tayo ng F-117A. pag mag tanong kng nasaan na ang biniling F-117A sabihin lang na hindi makita kasi stealth.

[CoDer]

Hindi kasi sila tulad ni mayor duterte ng davao sir yebo.

Dapat sa mga yan eh hindi na dapat kinakausap pa. barilin na kaagad.

kaya bili na tayo ng stealth fighter para hindi kita. at least hindi tayo ma pagbitangan ng ghost purchases. hehehehee...

dami pa naman nyan sa military.

[StraightSix]

punta naman tayo sa tangke... ano ba ang tangke na nasa armored division ng Philippine Army? Light Armored tank battallion or brigadelang yata meron tayo, yung mga Simba tanks? baka na-latero na yung mga armor nila

The last real tank that we had was the US M4A1 Walker Bulldog light tank. May sample nito sa Camp Capinpin(?) along MacArthur Highway going North, paglagpas mo ng Luisita, Tarlac. Earlier than that was the M4 Sherman medium tank, meron pa yatang display sa PMA. Yang mga Simba, V-150, etc., hindi naman tangke.


M4A1 in Bovington, England. My son in front of it.

oldblue, disadvantage ng VTOL's is fuel consumption, plus it's very tricky. That's why they are more often used as STOL's. Tuloy pa rin naman ang development ... the next generation of planes, the Lockheed X-35, is V/STOL.

[BlueBimmer]

hey at least the phil army has APCs, oks na un hehe

[StraightSix]

hey at least the phil army has APCs, oks na un hehe

I was just correcting the misimpression ... I'm sure we don't want our saloon/coupe to be called an MPV

[need4speed]

Yep, that was (then) Maj. Jesus Villamor of the Philippine Army Air Corps (PAAC). During the start of WWII, Japanese aircrafts wiped out the US P-36 and P-40 units on the ground (the P-36 and P-40 were America's frontline fighters then). The few remaining that managed to take off were simply brushed aside by the enemy. History, as it is known but currently being challenged by sceptics, shows that Villamor shot down a Zero fighter and a twin-engined bomber (possibly a Betty). Two other Filipino pilots, Gozar and Kare, claimed to have downed a Zero each.

nice to see that hero's such as my grandfather, the then Lt. Kare, aren't forgotten in our nations history...


you sure know your stuff straightsix

[jaeger]

do you guys still remember the Falklands war? The brits had their latest hardware then - Sea Harriers FRS.1, firgates with sea wolf which can shoot down incoming artillery rounds, subs with tigershark torpedoes, etc. The argenitian pilots were sitting on heinemann's hot rod toting iron bombs and they had a few super etendards with exocets . . . and they inflicted some serious damage to the royal navy. The A-4's didn't even have any attack radar. All they had were lead-computing gunsights for dogfighting and optical angle-rate bombing system with continuously computing impact point. Those with nerves of steel who didn't release their bombs prematurely hit their targets.

Even the royal marines had to use their milans when their 81mm mortars kept missing the flimsy argetinian bunkers. Good training and a lot of guts do count a lot when the shooting starts. I think our AFP has both - good training and battle-hardened soldiers. They're just too poorly equipped - sayang.

[StraightSix]

nice to see that hero's such as my grandfather, the then Lt. Kare, aren't forgotten in our nations history...

you sure know your stuff straightsix

Just showing my appreciation to those whom I owe a lot. I only read. People like your grandfather and his brothers-in-arm did the fighting, and the dying. The least that we can do is appreciate their sacrifices. Maski mga WWII history buffs dito sa England, hindi makapaniwala sa exploits ng PAAC, kasi alam nila capability ng Zero laban sa British Hurricane during the early years.

Unfortunately, there's not much information around regarding heroes such as Lt. Kare. From what I know, they were based in Batangas then. How is he? Did he tell stories about the war? I'd understand if he didn't .... grabe talaga ang panahon na iyon.

Meron akong workmate dito, yung father niya hanggang ngayon may nightmares. Naging POW kasi ng German sa Dunkerque, kaya 5 years ding nakulong. Hanggang ngayon ayaw sabihin yung experience niya.

[need4speed]

sad to say he passed away over two decades ago... shrapnel's lodged in his leg still... i was still a youngin back then... my grandma tells us stories of his exploits and that of other relatives who served during WW2.

saw some of the citations he received and medals given by the US gov't. as well. not sure if it was a distinguished service medal of a medal of honor or something.

sad though... not a lot of people know about what happened like many forgotten hero's

[phat_tricks]

mas magnada siguro kung meron tayong nuclear missles/silos. isa sa luzon, isa sa visayas at isa sa mindanao. para la magtangka na mag invade sa tin.

[flakez]

wow. ok na ok tong thread na to ah.

[StraightSix]

sad to say he passed away over two decades ago... shrapnel's lodged in his leg still... i was still a youngin back then... my grandma tells us stories of his exploits and that of other relatives who served during WW2.

saw some of the citations he received and medals given by the US gov't. as well. not sure if it was a distinguished service medal of a medal of honor or something.

sad though... not a lot of people know about what happened like many forgotten hero's

That is sad ... there are not much veterans around anymore and their rank is getting thinner by the year. Maybe you can help a bit by posting their stories. It's your chance to tell the story of Lt. Kare and others.

And speaking of medals - your grandfather probably got the DSM and not the Medal of Honor - still a big honor though. No Filipino nor American of pinoy origin has ever received the MoH. Although there was this pinoy GI with the US Army in Europe, who killed 300+ Nazis and got the Distinguished Service Cross. His friends tried to campaign for a Medal of Honor for him but his service record got lost. I forgot his name but learned about him in a newspaper report years and years ago.

[Mojo]

simbas are useless. remember one, when it got gunned by Steyrs and M14 ng abusayaf? then got finished by a RPG?

simbas are more like for crowd control, serious civil distrubances, but for counter insurgency? hehehe pinag tawanan lang ng abu sayaf ang simba.


what we need are small, mobile gun platforms, at hindi apcs, try looking at the German Weasel tank, kasi laki lang ng owner jeep , pero carries the punch equivalent of a tank destroyer. operated by two personel, and best of all tracked vehicle sya at hindi tyres.

http://www.jaguarmodels.com/afv/af35014.jpg

ang liit, parang kasi haba lang ata ng owner jeep, o toyota corolla, tested and proven na to sa afghanistan
ginagwa ng militray natin ang mga apcs as support for infantry, hehehe like nangyari nun sa lamitan, tuloy sumabog ang simba. kita kita naman sa simba na di pwede sa ganun role. yung drivers canopy nya, bullter proof glass lang, sus, armored ng yung katawan nya, pero bullet proof lang ang canopy ng driver.

[mazdamazda]

Good training and a lot of guts do count a lot when the shooting starts. I think our AFP has both - good training and battle-hardened soldiers. They're just too poorly equipped - sayang.

Yup... training & motivation is what really matters.

Look at the IDF during Israel's War of Independence & the Yom Kippur War. They managed to beat back better equipped & more numerous opponents from several nations out to gut them alive.

Though to note... I have yet to see the the PNP & AFP's special forces in real action (e.g. hostage taking) up close to really gauge them.

Though am sure that in a guerilla warfare (since I doubt that we can carry out a conventional warfare should we be invaded) we'll be able to hold our own against the invaders. Our islands are quite hard to defend & would pose a serious logistical nightmare for any would be invaders.

[oldblue]

even the 3000 yrs-old ancient Egyptians had more firepower than us ....

[rhops]

straightSix thanks for the info Yak 38 forger nga pala, tagal ko na kasi nabasa "Red storm Rising" eh hehe. Personally mas gusto ko yung mga military hardware nung cold war, F15 eagle, F16 falcon, F 14 tomcat (my fav armed with phoenix missile woohoh!), Tornado, Mirage going against russin migs and sukhoi fighters. Kasi these things really go head to head though heavy na rin ang gamit nila ng elctronic devices. Ngayon kasi parang gulatan. Then for stealth fighter??? F117 A (kasi for me its more of a bomber) pag inabutan ka close range ng fighter planes 50 mm vulcan cannon it would tear it to pieces. Just dunno sa F22 raptor or the upcoming JSF (parang may supercruise na ito diba?) on how it would perform in close combat. Sa choppers naman cobra gunships and apache longbows (kaya lang parang mahirap i maintain yung mga apaches eh) pero yung comanche i like, cool yung design

Sa sea naman syempre monopolya na ng US yan. Wala naman ata makamatch sa Carrier battle group ng Us navy (pag pinuwestuhan ka ng isang CBG and your hostile sa US medyo mag isip ka na hehe), along with FFG, DDG, and attack submarines. I guess the brits still have a carrier (forgot the name)yung sa france "foch" decommisioned na ata. Pero meron din ang russia i dunno kung nasundan yung Admiral Kuznetzov.

Land naman syempre M1 A2 (120mm ba main gun neto) and the brits challenger tank (medyo luma na ata ito), nakamilimutan ko na yung MBT ng germany and france pero i know formidable din yun. How I imagine the phils would have an MLRS (battlewinner ba name neto not sure) panglaban sa insurgent "STEEL RAIN"

[badkuk]

ARB:wala pa yata helicopter na huey ng WW2.

actually nagamit lang ang helicopters in active combat duty during the Vietnam War. afaik nagamit na sya as early as the Korean War(remember M.A.S.H?) pero not directly in combat

bluebimmer: hey at least the phil army has APCs, oks na un hehe

naalala ko tuloy ung video footage on one of the coup attempts back in the Cory days. nakunan ng news crew ung isang APC na naflatan ng gulong. dyahe :D

*straightsix: and the fact that the US gov't refuses to acknowledge the accomplishments of Pinoy WW2 veterans doesn't help either. buti pa ung showbiz, kahit papano e people know about the veteran's exploits

[badkuk]

speaking of choppers...in production pa rin ba ung Super Cobra? Itsura pa lang kakabahan ka na e :D

[FrankDrebin]

So, any idea(s) for an alternative for the Viet veteran Hueys aside from the expensive UH60 Blackhawks?