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    #1081
    refineries in the US midwest are the only ones that have access to oil stored at Cushing

    they can't use the oil fast enough so there's persistent oversupply at Cushing

    the oil can't even get to refiners in the Gulf Coast so they still have to buy oil from Nigeria

    refiners in the east coast also have no access to the oil so refineries are being shut down

    oil has to be bled from Cushing to solve WTI price suppression

    reduce the supply at Cushing and WTI will rise

    they're already starting to bleed oil from Cushing with pipeline flow reversal (Seaway pipeline) but it still isnt enough. they need more pipelines

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    #1082
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    *sg, bakit niloloko tayo ng shell sa nitro+ nila kuno?


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    Hindi ko rin alam eh. Tsaka hindi sa gasoline erpats ko dati.

    Sa Aspalto siya. He started shell bitumen nung 1997. At nag early retirement na sya nung '09. So stir yan si OB. Sira ulo

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    #1083
    Quote Originally Posted by Starex_Gold View Post
    Hindi ko rin alam eh. Tsaka hindi sa gasoline erpats ko dati.

    Sa Aspalto siya. He started shell bitumen nung 1997. At nag early retirement na sya nung '09. So stir yan si OB. Sira ulo
    Kilalang kilala ka ni OB ah...


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    #1084
    WTI Crude Oil
    $84.84

    Brent Crude Oil
    $99.50

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    #1085
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Why US-Canada market is not the global benchmark...

    The Basics of Oil Investing: The WTI-Brent Spread
    i've been explaining that ages ago

    tagal ko na sinabi WTI is no longer a reliable benchmark

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    #1086
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Why US-Canada market is not the global benchmark...

    The Basics of Oil Investing: The WTI-Brent Spread
    i've been explaining that ages ago

    dati ko pa sinabi hindi na reliable reference ang WTI

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    #1087
    Why US-Canada market is not the global benchmark
    dati ko pa sinabi WTI is no longer a reliable reference

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    #1088
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Kilalang kilala ka ni OB ah...


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    Idol ako nun eh.....

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    #1089
    so yung mga nagsasabi na ang oil galing sa North America (Alberta/North Dakota/Montana) ay nagpababa sa presyo ng langis...

    TINGNAN NIYO ANG DIFFERENCE NG PRESYO NG BRENT SA WTI

    (o kahit difference ng OPEC basket sa WTI, Dubai sa WTI)

    maniniwala lang ako na may effect pag lahat ng US refiners ay gagamit ng oil produced in North America

    na hindi na kailangan mag import ng langis from Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Nigeria, Iran, Angola...

    pag nangyari yan, babagsak ang presyo ng ibang benchmarks (Brent, Dubai, OPEC basket etc) at tataas ang presyo ng WTI coz the US will stop buying oil from outside North America

    UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, shut the f#ck up
    Last edited by uls; June 5th, 2012 at 04:06 PM.

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    #1090
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    so yung mga nagsasabi na ang oil galing sa North America (Alberta/North Dakota/Montana) ay nagpababa sa presyo ng langis...

    UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, shut the f#ck up
    Falling Oil Prices Are No Mystery

    Global oil consumption has been declining since the end of 2011, falling to 88.5 million barrels per day at the end of April, from 90.4 million barrels per day in late December 2011. At the same time, world oil production has risen steadily for more than a year, driven by new finds and drilling techniques in North America.", Bloomberg, June 4, 2012

    Shut the f#ck up, BLOOMBERG.

    Close Down your 200 offices worldwide.

    ULS is Smarter than all of your Analysts.
    Last edited by andywesteast; June 5th, 2012 at 04:31 PM.

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    #1091
    Kindly quote the whole sentence, don't be partial and selective...tsk,tsk,tsk...

    See? Bloomberg does recognize there are two different and distinct oil contracts...

    The US is sitting in an oil glut, not the WORLD...

    Falling Oil Prices Are No Mystery - Businessweek


    Falling Oil Prices Are No Mystery
    By Matthew Philips on June 04, 2012

    Oil prices have fallen sharply in the past two months, with Brent crude sinking to $97 a barrel and West Texas Intermediate hitting $83. The explanation is simple: Since March, the world has been producing more oil than it’s consuming, according to data gathered by the Energy Intelligence Group. Global oil consumption has been declining since the end of 2011, falling to 88.5 million barrels per day at the end of April, from 90.4 million barrels per day in late December 2011. At the same time, world oil production has risen steadily for more than a year, driven by new finds and drilling techniques in North America and a 10 percent increase in production from OPEC during the past 12 months.

    The U.S. is now sitting on more oil supplies than it has since 1990. And yet our demand for it is at close to a 15-year low—a result of economic weakness and increased energy efficiency. “The amount of oil it takes to move the economy is declining,” says Fadel Gheit, an energy analyst at Oppenheimer.

    The price declines have coincided with a steep selloff in oil futures contracts over the last two months. Speculators cut their net-long positions—bets that the price will rise—to the equivalent of 136 million barrels of oil, the lowest level since September 2010, according to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. This follows a huge speculative buying binge. Oil prices spiked from October through March—a six-month bull run fueled by speculative worry over an Iranian supply disruption.

    With speculative money pouring out of the oil market, the price is closer to reflecting supply-demand fundamentals. And that means the world’s two most traded oil contracts should continue to fall in price through the summer, analysts say. Religare Capital Markets forecasts that Brent crude, the benchmark for more than half the world’s oil, will fall to $90 a barrel by September, and that West Texas Intermediate should fall to $80.
    Last edited by Monseratto; June 5th, 2012 at 05:19 PM.

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    #1092
    Hehe.

    Not all you see in the news can be 100% correct.

    Analysts nga eh, people analyze differently.

    And hindi porket nasa Bloomberg sila ay wala na pwedeng maging mas matalino pa sakanila.

    Yes, uls may be smarter than Bloomberg's analysts. So what?

    The people here in tsikot can be somehow smarter than some of our media men who doesn't even know how to classify vehicles correctly.

    So the bosses should fire those media men just because our community is smarter than them?

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    #1093
    Mainit pa rin pala world oil prices.

    At least I know OB is smart-err.

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    #1094
    sige tingnan natin

    sabi ng bloomberg article kaya daw bumaba ang presyo ng langis dahil sobra daming langis sa mundo ngayon

    hindi dahil sa risk-off environment

    so pag naayos ang problema sa Europe at tumaas uli ang presyo ng langis i will laugh really really hard
    Last edited by uls; June 5th, 2012 at 05:36 PM.

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    #1095
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    sige tingnan natin

    sabi ng bloomberg article kaya daw bumaba ang presyo ng langis dahil sobra daming langis sa mundo ngayon

    hindi dahil sa risk-off environment

    so pag naayos ang problema sa Europe at tumaas uli ang presyo ng langis i will laugh really really hard

    So ULS, you are Smarter than the SHELL CEO too.

    Shell CEO sees oil price falling more in 2012

    Demand is quite clearly softening, but I wouldn’t say it’s collapsing. Today the market has enough oil, more oil than we need…I see (oil prices) softening in the second-half,” Voser told CNBC on the sidelines of the World Gas Conference in Kuala Lumpur on Tuesday. CNBC, June 5, 2012. a Few Hours ago.

    Hey ULS, has it ever occurred to you that people other than yourself can be Right?

    These people actually work in the Oil and Financials Industry, while you are just an Armchair analyst.
    Last edited by andywesteast; June 5th, 2012 at 06:12 PM.

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    #1096
    ^^^

    baket? proven na ba?

    can't you read? mas lalo daw bababa sa second half of this year

    so tingnan natin

    pag mali siya pagtatawanan ko din siya

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    #1097
    i don't care about the importance you give to oil supply

    oil is a risk asset just like stocks and HY bonds

    when risk appetite is strong money flows into risk assets

    when there's fear money gets out of risk assets

    right now there's fear

    when the central banks decide to flood the world with money again...

    when risk appetite comes back...

    risk assets including oil will be bid up again REGARDLESS IF THERE"S LOTS OF SUPPLY
    Last edited by uls; June 5th, 2012 at 06:28 PM.

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    #1098
    ilan araw nako tinututukan nitong eastwest na ito

    ano kaya problema niya?

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    #1099
    Quote Originally Posted by andywesteast View Post

    So ULS, you are Smarter than the SHELL CEO too.

    Shell CEO sees oil price falling more in 2012

    Demand is quite clearly softening, but I wouldn’t say it’s collapsing. Today the market has enough oil, more oil than we need…I see (oil prices) softening in the second-half,” Voser told CNBC on the sidelines of the World Gas Conference in Kuala Lumpur on Tuesday. CNBC, June 5, 2012. a Few Hours ago.

    Hey ULS, has it ever occurred to you that people other than yourself can be Right?

    These people actually work in the Oil and Financials Industry, while you are just an Armchair analyst.
    Again...do not be selective in your quotes...tsk,tsk,tsk!

    No mention US-Canada here...

    News Headlines

    Global Oil Demand Not ‘Collapsing,’ Says Shell CEO


    Crude oil prices have plummeted 20 percent over the past three months, but the CEO of Europe's biggest oil company Royal Dutch Shell, Peter Voser, doesn’t think global demand is “collapsing.” He, however, expects further downside in oil prices in the second-half of the year as the market is well supplied.

    “Demand is quite clearly softening, but I wouldn’t say it’s collapsing. Today the market has enough oil, more oil than we need…I see (oil prices) softening in the second-half,” Voser told CNBC on the sidelines of the World Gas Conference in Kuala Lumpur on Tuesday.

    London-traded Brent crude [LCOCV1 98.21 -0.64 (-0.65%) ] and U.S. WTI (West Texas Intermediate) crude [CLCV1 83.90 -0.08 (-0.1%) ] have been in a sharp downtrend in recent months due to worries over the euro zone debt crisis and a Greek exit, as well as a slowdown in growth momentum in top consumers U.S. and China.

    Voser, however, says he is not worried about the longer-term demand picture for oil: “We have seen this (fall in demand) in the past, in 2008, 2009, but it can recover quite quickly.”
    Last edited by Monseratto; June 5th, 2012 at 06:38 PM.

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    #1100
    hehe selective quoting para lang makapahiya ng iba. tsktsk

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