Japan vs china...

[uls]

well i always believed we are just living in a period between wars

war is man's nature

[jon777]

som




A Japanese Beheading Party in the Provinces.
Men Dug their Own Graves and Knelt Before Them

my late father (an ethnic chinese) was a member of the Wha Chi Guerilla Movement (Filipino Chinese Guerilla Movement) that was organized in 1942 and known formally as the 48th Squadron. He was president of the Association of Wha Chi Veterans in the late 1990's.

He still had scars on his body during a hand to hand combat with Japanese troops in Laguna cause they ran out of ammunition and had to engage hand to hand But he never hated the japanese. In fact thought highly about the latter as they rose through the ashes of world war 2 and became asia's biggest economy at my father's time

[Boy Bastos]

Hindi halata ang mga bias sa Chinese PLA dito. :D

[CoDer]

Tingnan natin kung may ibubuga ang pagka bully ng China sa Japan. Surely no one will take their side if this escalates. Kaaway nila halos buong region.

[CVT]

^^^ Yup,- it looks like Japan is putting a token-stopper to the ambitions of China in the region....

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[greenlyt]

Ishihara : "I think China has gone crazy. We can't put up with their attitude like Mine is mine, but yours is mine too"

How a remote rock split China and Japan - CNN.com

[CVT]

Catch-22 on China...

Or, for the Trekkies,- "Kobayashi Maru"

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[Bin Diesel]

Tensions are starting affect business decisions.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/...-amid-violence

TOKYO - Some of Japan's biggest corporate names padlocked factories in China Tuesday as violent anti-Japan protests sparked safety fears, and threatened economic ties worth more than $300 billion a year.

A wide range of firms from electronics giants Sony and Panasonic to Japan's big three carmakers -- Toyota, Honda and Nissan -- temporarily halted production at some or all of their China-based plants.

Nissan, which counts China as its biggest single market, said two of its three factories would be shuttered for at least Tuesday and Wednesday as anger erupted over a simmering territorial row centred on a disputed island chain.

"No facility has experienced direct trouble or direct damage. (But) the safety of our personnel is the highest priority," said Nissan spokesman Christopher Keefe.

On Monday, camera and computer printer maker Canon said it had suspended operations at three plants in southern and eastern China for Monday and Tuesday "to ensure the safety of all of our employees working there".

The closures came as thousands of anti-Japan protesters rallied again on Tuesday to mark the anniversary of the 1931 "Mukden incident", which led to Japan's invasion of Manchuria, a northeastern region of modern-day China.

The current diplomatic battle has raised international concerns and fears of conflict between two of the world's top three economies, drawing in US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta during his ongoing Asian tour.

Panetta called for calm in meetings with Chinese officials, after warning over a possible "misjudgment" that "could result in violence".

The islets, known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, are uninhabited but situated in rich fishing waters and said to sit atop valuable natural resources. They are controlled by Japan but claimed by China and Taiwan.

The row intensified last week when the Japanese government bought three of the islands from their private Japanese owner, effectively nationalising them, and China responded by sending patrol ships to nearby waters.

A business delegation of 175 Japanese executives, headed by Toyota's chairman, said Tuesday it would cut short a regular annual trip to meet Chinese officials, which included talks with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao.

The group said the change was stoked by warnings from Chinese officials that they could not guarantee the executives' safety.

"Obviously, it's in everyone's best interest to wind the tensions down, especially given Japan's huge investments and exports to China," said Nicholas Smith, an equity strategist at brokerage CLSA.

China and Japan have close business ties, with numerous Japanese companies investing in their larger neighbour and two-way trade totalling $342.9 billion last year, according to Chinese figures.

But the two countries' political relationship is often tense due to the territorial dispute and Chinese resentment over past conflicts and atrocities.

"Japanese companies' sales and reputation with Chinese consumers are likely to be affected, at least in the short term," ratings agency Fitch said in a note Tuesday.

"However, there is little visibility on the extent to which their sales in China might be affected, and how long anti-Japanese protests may continue."

The China Daily newspaper, a government mouthpiece, earlier warned that "Japan's economy will suffer severely if China were to impose sanctions on it. China's loss would be relatively less".

On Tuesday, Honda said it had temporarily closed all five of its China plants -- which make about 970,000 vehicles a year -- due to the violence, while rival Toyota said it had scaled back production but did not elaborate.

Sony, which makes a range of products in China including televisions and cameras, said two of its seven factories would see a one-day shutdown on Tuesday, while Panasonic also announced temporary plant closures.

Fast Retailing, operator of the Uniqlo cheap chic clothing chain, switched off the lights at 42 of its Chinese outlets.

Tokyo "is continuing to press China through various diplomatic channels to ensure the safety of Japanese people and businesses in China", Osamu Fujimura, the Japanese government's top spokesman, told a press briefing Tuesday.

"We want China to deal with the issue in a cool-headed manner with the broad view that Japanese companies have an important role in the Chinese economy and employment.

[jon777]

Tingnan natin kung may ibubuga ang pagka bully ng China sa Japan. Surely no one will take their side if this escalates. Kaaway nila halos buong region.

Cambodia at North Korea will ally themselves with china for self serving economic purposes.

Im pretty sure almost everyone will stay neutral, just look at Singapore. In principle magagalit halos lahat but would be neutral as their official stand

Japan has a powerful navy but their constitution prohibits them from acquiring armaments for offensive uses. japan can only be defensive. The US has a mutual defense treaty with Japan but was vocal that they would not interfere in territorial disputes. But i personally think that if China attacked Japan's coast guard, the US pacific fleet would be mobilized and this can start a short naval warfare between the 3 countries.

[niky]

Tingnan natin kung may ibubuga ang pagka bully ng China sa Japan. Surely no one will take their side if this escalates. Kaaway nila halos buong region.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The Japan of today is not the Imperial Japan of yesteryear.

And the Communist China of today is no Imperial China, either.

[timrev]

Japan Airforce VS China Airforce

The JASDF has an estimated 45,000 personnel in 2005. As of 2010, the JASDF operates 805 aircraft, 424 of them being fighter aircraft.

Combat aircraft:
Mitsubishi F2 ------------------ 62
Mitsubishi F15 Eagle ----------- 213
F-4 Phantom II ---------------- 117

Trainer aircraft:
Kawasaki T4 ------------------ 208
Raytheon Hawker 400 ---------- 13
Fuji T-7 ----------------------- 48

Transport aircraft:
C-130 Hercules ----------------- 15
Kawasaki C1 -------------------- 26
Boeing 767 ---------------------- 4
Boeing 747 ---------------------- 2
Gulfstream IV -------------------- 5
NAMC YS11 ---------------------- 13
British Aerospace BAe 125 --------- 32

Transport/search and rescue helicopter:
Boeing CH-47 Chinook ---------------- 15
Mitsubishi H60 ------------------------ 45

Other equipment
M167 VADS
MIM-104 Patriot (PAC-2 & PAC-3)
Type 81 Surface-to-air Missile
Type 91 Surface-to-air missile
Surface-to-Air Missile for Aerial base Defense

Mitsubishi ATD-X
Kawasaki C2 ------------- 2
F-35 --------------------42

VS

(CHINA) People's Liberation Army Air Force

Fighter aircraft:
Chengdu J10 ------------------ 260
Sukhoi Su30MKK --------------- 99
Shenyang J11 ----------------- 140
Sukhoi Su27 ------------------- 76
Shenyang J8 ------------------- 360
Chengdu J7 -------------------- 350

Attack Aircraft:
Xian JH7 -------------------------- 70
Nanchang Q5 --------------------- 130

Bomber Aircraft:
Xian H6 ---------------------------- 120

Airborne early warning and control:
KJ2000 ------------------------------ 8
KJ200 -------------------------------- 2

Trainer Aircraft:
Nanchang CJ6-----------------------1
Hongdu JL8 ----------------------- 180
Hongdu L15 ------------------------ 2
Harbin HC120 ---------------------- 26

Transport Aircraft:
Ilyushin Il76 ----------------------- 20
Harbin Y12--------------------------1
Harbin Y11 ------------------------- 50
Shaanxi Y8 ------------------------ 45
Xi'an Y7/Xian MA60 ----------------- 80
Shijiazhuang Y5 -------------------- 300
Bombardier Challenger 600 ------------ 5
Tupolev Tu154 ---------------------- 7

Aerial refueling:
Ilyushin Il-78 ------------------------- 8
Xian H6 ------------------------------ 10

Attack Helicopter:
CAIC WZ10 --------------------------- 14
Harbin WZ9 ---------------------------- 70
Changhe Z11W ------------------------ 40
Aérospatiale SA 342 Gazelle ------------ 8

Transport Helicopter:
Mil Mi 8/17/171/172 - ------------------330
Mil Mi17 - -----------------------------240
Changhe Z11 -------------------------- 60
Changhe Z11 ------------------------- 40
Harbin Z9 - -----------------------------210
Eurocopter AS 532 Cougar --------------- 6
Sikorsky S70 ----------------------------- 16

Unmanned aerial vehicle:
Pterodactyl UAV
Pterosaur UAV
WJ-600
CH-3 UAV
Chengdu Soar Eagle
Sky Wing UAV
WZ-2000
ASN-229A UAV
Chengdu Xianglong
Shenyang BA-5

[Gumusut_Amige]

our olds always telling us the scary hardships they tasted from the cruel hands of the japs when we're young. kung magkaroon ng fullblown war sa ngayon, wala na siguro tayong mapagtaguan dahil sa mga wmd.
sana di na mag escalate yan at madaan sa mabuting usapan

[CoDer]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The Japan of today is not the Imperial Japan of yesteryear.

And the Communist China of today is no Imperial China, either.

Couldn't agree more.

[jon777]

sana di na mag escalate yan at madaan sa mabuting usapan

Yeah, huwag sana. PERO, kung hindi papalag Japan, lalong magiging bully ang China sa Pilipinas. The US must interfere and come to Japan's defense. So that China would think twice about bullying the Philippines

China should be tought a lesson. Pati scarborough shoal gustong kunin.....

[CoDer]

Yeah, huwag sana. PERO, kung hindi papalag Japan, lalong magiging bully ang China sa Pilipinas. The US must interfere and come to Japan's defense. So that China would think twice about bullying the Philippines

China should be tought a lesson. Pati scarborough shoal gustong kunin.....

Bahag buntot nyang China against japan especially that Japan has mutual defense treaty with US. In fact China brought this issue to UNCLOS. Pero nung tayo ang nag request na pag usapan ang territorial dispute sa UNCLOS ayaw nila.

Let them fire the first shot against Japan.

[timrev]

Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force

45,800 personnel
4 Helicopter destroyers
8 Destroyers
30 Frigates
6 Frigates (light)
21 Submarines

VS

China - People's Liberation Army Navy ships

Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarines (4 in Service)
Nuclear Attack Submarines (5+ in Service)
Conventional Ballistic Missile Submarines (1 in Service)
Conventional Attack Submarines (50 in Service)
Assault ships (2 in Service)
Destroyers (29 in Service)
Frigates (48 in Service)
Missile Boats (120 in Service)

[roninblade]

Cambodia at North Korea will ally themselves with china for self serving economic purposes.

Im pretty sure almost everyone will stay neutral, just look at Singapore. In principle magagalit halos lahat but would be neutral as their official stand

Japan has a powerful navy but their constitution prohibits them from acquiring armaments for offensive uses. japan can only be defensive. The US has a mutual defense treaty with Japan but was vocal that they would not interfere in territorial disputes. But i personally think that if China attacked Japan's coast guard, the US pacific fleet would be mobilized and this can start a short naval warfare between the 3 countries.

Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force

45,800 personnel
4 Helicopter destroyers
8 Destroyers
30 Frigates
6 Frigates (light)
21 Submarines

VS

China - People's Liberation Army Navy ships

Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarines (4 in Service)
Nuclear Attack Submarines (5+ in Service)
Conventional Ballistic Missile Submarines (1 in Service)
Conventional Attack Submarines (50 in Service)
Assault ships (2 in Service)
Destroyers (29 in Service)
Frigates (48 in Service)
Missile Boats (120 in Service)

you need to include US stats in there since they will surely be fighting on Japan's side.

Japan-U.S. Security Treaty, Article V

Each Party recognizes that an armed attack against either Party in the territories under the administration of Japan would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common danger in accordance with its constitutional provisions and processes. Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall be immediately reported to the Security Council of the United Nations in accordance with the provisions of Article 51 of the Charter. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

if the current situation escalates then US ships, aircraft, and troops will be deployed to US bases in Japan.

[ZENMasterTYL]

Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force

45,800 personnel
4 Helicopter destroyers
8 Destroyers
30 Frigates
6 Frigates (light)
21 Submarines

VS

China - People's Liberation Army Navy ships

Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarines (4 in Service)
Nuclear Attack Submarines (5+ in Service)
Conventional Ballistic Missile Submarines (1 in Service)
Conventional Attack Submarines (50 in Service)
Assault ships (2 in Service)
Destroyers (29 in Service)
Frigates (48 in Service)
Missile Boats (120 in Service)

dami arsenal ng china ah, sana hindi supot

[jansky]

dami arsenal ng china ah, sana hindi supot

CD-R King tatak

[ZENMasterTYL]

you need to include US stats in there since they will surely be fighting on Japan's side.

tapos na boxing pag kumampi na si big bro :saiyan::plane: