De Lima order to hold Arroyo is it unconstitutional ?

[glenn manikis]

Kaso yung kay GMA halata.

sir what i meant is hindi halata na kumampi ang s.c. kay pnoy at delima.... kaya in the end walang mangyayari sa tro at sa contempt ni delima....

sir and ang pagkakaalam ko eh... theres no legal reason to bar gma from leaving the country bec... theres no HOLD DEParture order issued to her at that time... 2nd theres no warrant for her arrest... 3rd no case is filed against her... in court and no HOLD departure order has been isssued... ANG meron lang eh yung WATCH LIST ORDER COMMING FROM DOJ... a watch list order is not a hold departure order... kaya po yung legality po nun ang question ni gma sa s.c.... pls dont get me wrong im not on gma side... or s.c. side... its just my experience with s.c. and just sharing you a piece of my mind.... peace mga veteran tsikoteers....

[shadow]

WLO is the same with HDO, ibang term lang ginamit...para hinde na dumaan sa korte...you also need prior approval from the DOJ bago ka makalabas...

HDO for the judiciary and WLO for the executive...same banana :barmy:

ikaw lang yata nagiisang nagsasabi na kakampi ng admin ang SC...

there is WLO to stop the arrovos..until hinde pa nag decide ang SC na unconstitutional then that is still valid...

kaya hinde totoo yun sinasabi mo na there is nothing to hold them from leaving...eh di kung wala bakit kailangan pa mag issue ng TRO ng SC? wala naman palang legal ground yun WLO eh...

[greenlyt]

^^ oo nga, hindi ko makuha yun logic in issueing an WLO but not prevent them from leaving the country para saan pa yun WLO, para tingnan lang ng Immigration yun mga tao sa watch list?

[glenn manikis]

the 8 so called coronayo justices miscalculated their move last week when they issued the TRO. they thought the executive will back down and just sheepishly heed to their collective bias decision.


sabi nga ni Packy "now you know!"

sir in fairness po sa mga justice ng s.c.... hindi po sila basta basta kayang impluwensyahan... congresswoman lang po si gma... mga justices sila ng korte suprema... kahit may money involve pa dyan... kasi po maraming mata ang nakatingin may media pa... at matataas po ang pride ng mga justices ng s.c.... pag naka upo na alam nila hindi sila basta basta matatangal only thru impeachment....

sir ang nag issue din po ng hold departure order eh ang lower court w/c is the regional trial court.... UNDER PA DIN PO yan ng higher court or S.C..... binigyan nila ng tro then.... after a few days... before makaalis nag issue din sila ng hold departure order... he...he... kailangan muna kasi nila ng legal na basehan para hindi makalabas ng bansa si gma....

[glenn manikis]

^^ oo nga, hindi ko makuha yun logic in issueing an WLO but not prevent them from leaving the country para saan pa yun WLO, para tingnan lang ng Immigration yun mga tao sa watch list?

another way po yan or what we call extra legal way.. para ma hold temporarily ang mga ayaw ng gobyerno na palabasin... kailangan muna sila kumuha ng clearance sa doj... before leaving the country....

[shadow]

sir in fairness po sa mga justice ng s.c.... hindi po sila basta basta kayang impluwensyahan... congresswoman lang po si gma... mga justices sila ng korte suprema... kahit may money involve pa dyan... kasi po maraming mata ang nakatingin may media pa... at matataas po ang pride ng mga justices ng s.c.... pag naka upo na alam nila hindi sila basta basta matatangal only thru impeachment....

the action of the SC not only with this case but ever since the pnoy admin started says otherwise.

sir ang nag issue din po ng hold departure order eh ang lower court w/c is the regional trial court.... UNDER PA DIN PO yan ng higher court or S.C..... binigyan nila ng tro then.... after a few days... before makaalis nag issue din sila ng hold departure order... he...he... kailangan muna kasi nila ng legal na basehan para hindi makalabas ng bansa si gma....

wala pong na issue ng HDO order ang RTC, yun lang ang gusto ng comelec/doj but warrant of arrest na agad ang na issue kaya automatic hinde na kailangan ng HDO para hinde makaalis, which sinabi rin ni Midas na since meron ng WOA hinde na pwedeng umalis si pandak.

yes RTCs are under SC pero independent pa rin sila when it comes to decisions...

[glenn manikis]

WLO is the same with HDO, ibang term lang ginamit...para hinde na dumaan sa korte...you also need prior approval from the DOJ bago ka makalabas...

HDO for the judiciary and WLO for the executive...same banana :barmy:

ikaw lang yata nagiisang nagsasabi na kakampi ng admin ang SC...

there is WLO to stop the arrovos..until hinde pa nag decide ang SC na unconstitutional then that is still valid...

kaya hinde totoo yun sinasabi mo na there is nothing to hold them from leaving...eh di kung wala bakit kailangan pa mag issue ng TRO ng SC? wala naman palang legal ground yun WLO eh...

the s.c. issued the tro sa dept. circular ng doj... re. wlo... w.c. the arroyos questioned the legality sa s.c.... so sir actually ang TRO NG S.C. EH yung DEPT. CIRCULAR NG DOJ... AT the same time na wala naman kasing HDO comming from the court....

alam nyo po style po talaga ng s.c. yan ganyan... matagal na... diskarte po ang tawag dyan... kung talagang kumakampi ang s.c. kay gma edi sana hindi na po sila nag issue ng HDO... ANG NAG issue po ng HDO EH lower court w.c is under ng s.c...

[shadow]

another way po yan or what we call extra legal way.. para ma hold temporarily ang mga ayaw ng gobyerno na palabasin... kailangan muna sila kumuha ng clearance sa doj... before leaving the country....

bakit extra legal way? eh meron presumptions of regularity dahil ang nagissue naman nun circular eh from pandak's admin...saka hinde pa naman sinasabi na illegal and unconstitutional eh..so legal way pa rin yun...

[glenn manikis]

syempre sir independent po sila.... pero the JUSTICES AT THE S.C. ARE THERE BOSSES...

same din po... nag palabas na din po sila ng warrant... so may dahilan na para hindi makaalis si gma...

[glenn manikis]

EXTRA LEGAL MEANS gumagawa sila ng paraan para mapagbigyan kung sino man yun gusto nila pagbigyan... the legal way... like 15 days to comment... not w.in 24 hrs. to comment... si de lima...

kaya nga sir nag issue ng tro dun sa circular ang s.c. kasi nga they think its unconstitutional.... its not yet illegal... yung legality po nun ang inisuhan ng tro...

[glenn manikis]

mga tsikoteers.. actually po sa experience ko.... madami na po na pagkakataon na hindi pinagbigyan ng s.c. ang mga arroyos... mas madami nga po na hindi sila pinagbigyan... si chief jusctice corona po kahit na naging tao dati ni gma eh hindi kaya controlling ni gma yan... we have 1st hand knowledge... matigas po masyado si corona.. believe it or not.... akala nga namin eh... kakampihan si gma... talaga palang nagkamali si gma sa paglagay kay corona....

[shadow]

the s.c. issued the tro sa dept. circular ng doj... re. wlo... w.c. the arroyos questioned the legality sa s.c.... so sir actually ang TRO NG S.C. EH yung DEPT. CIRCULAR NG DOJ... AT the same time na wala naman kasing HDO comming from the court....

alam nyo po style po talaga ng s.c. yan ganyan... matagal na... diskarte po ang tawag dyan... kung talagang kumakampi ang s.c. kay gma edi sana hindi na po sila nag issue ng HDO... ANG NAG issue po ng HDO EH lower court w.c is under ng s.c...

wala ngang HDO na naissue dahil meron ng WOA... sa organizationla chart boss ng mga RTC judges yun mga SC justices, peri sa totong buhay ang boss nila eh yun executive brance...sino mag appoint sa judge para maging justice ng COA or SC as bonus for favoring the state's case? :naughty2:

[shadow]

EXTRA LEGAL MEANS gumagawa sila ng paraan para mapagbigyan kung sino man yun gusto nila pagbigyan... the legal way... like 15 days to comment... not w.in 24 hrs. to comment... si de lima...

kaya nga sir nag issue ng tro dun sa circular ang s.c. kasi nga they think its unconstitutional.... its not yet illegal... yung legality po nun ang inisuhan ng tro...

they issued TRO not bec they think it's unconstitutional..they issued it bec l akala ng cornoyo eh makakalusot amo nila...paano nila malalaman na unconstitutional eh wala pang oral arguments ng both sides? walang pang presenting ng facts, it's not yet illegal, so it means it is legal...hehehe yun ang nag prevent kay pandak makaalis...

kung wala nga pwedeng mag stop kay pandak umalis like what yo;ve been saying, bakit hinde nakaalis? ...WLO baby

[shadow]

mga tsikoteers.. actually po sa experience ko.... madami na po na pagkakataon na hindi pinagbigyan ng s.c. ang mga arroyos... mas madami nga po na hindi sila pinagbigyan... si chief jusctice corona po kahit na naging tao dati ni gma eh hindi kaya controlling ni gma yan... we have 1st hand knowledge... matigas po masyado si corona.. believe it or not.... akala nga namin eh... kakampihan si gma... talaga palang nagkamali si gma sa paglagay kay corona....

what!? maybe we are talking about a different Coronoyo and SC...

tama ba ako midas?

[glenn manikis]

tama lang at hindi makaalis si pandak!!!! pinahirapan kmi nyan... mga taga govt....

[ab_initio]

wala ngang HDO na naissue dahil meron ng WOA... sa organizationla chart boss ng mga RTC judges yun mga SC justices, peri sa totong buhay ang boss nila eh yun executive brance...sino mag appoint sa judge para maging justice ng COA or SC as bonus for favoring the state's case? :naughty2:

not entirely true. the head of the judiciary is the chief justice. in the executive branch, the President. the appointing power of the president is just a measure of check and balance. actually each branch is designed to be independent. try to think of it, the most powerful should have been congress, as it possesses the power of the purse. realizing that congress may abuse this, the SC may strike down any reprehensible measures. the executive, on the other hand, may enforce the law and the enforcement may be effected with abuses, like arresting the members of congress when any of its members utter seemingly libelous utterances, but they are also immune from arrest on certain instances. the President, as the appointing authority, may, as a general rule, has the power to fire, but SC justices are immune and may only be removed by impeachment. THAT IS THE INTERNAL SYSTEM.

the notion that the boss of the judges is the president is not true. what may have caused them to yield to the president may be their desire to be appointed to higher positions, specifically to be one of the justices. The lawyer's dream does not end there...that even in their twilight, they would do everything to be Chief Justice. Not all justices are given the chance during their lifetime or during good behavior to be CJ. If you are close to the chance, would you let it slip? THAT IS THE EXTERNAL FACTOR.

BTW, where's OB?

[chua_riwap]

BTW, where's OB?

namaalam na...atty. :sad:

[ab_initio]

namaalam na...atty. :sad:

Sir, namamaalam? Meaning? hehehe. i remember when you and shadow exchanged banters with OB and shadow got banned. were you also banned?

[Ry_Tower]

Na-banned ba or na-comatose lang? haha

[chua_riwap]

Bumanat na naman ang Tagapagsinungaling ni pandak.....
May threat daw si GMA.
Talagang ipipilit nila house arrest.

Or after colitis, siguro sunod naman nyan....cancer of the mole na.


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Arroyo camp alleges 'Put Little Girl to Sleep' plot


MANILA, Philippines (3rd UPDATE) – Elena Bautista-Horn, a spokesperson for Pampanga Rep. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, revealed on Wednesday a possible threat on the life of the former President. According to Horn, a source from a certain government agency talked to them a few days ago and told them about a so-called operation "Put the Little Girl to Sleep," being cooked allegedly by the Aquino administration.

“May mga nagsumbong na naman po sa amin na nasa administrasyon ngayon na may mga masamang balakin. Mayroon sila ngayong operation called ‘Put The Little Girl To Sleep.’ Ni-report na po sa amin ‘yan kaya kami ay nababahala kasi nakikita naman natin kung gaano ang insistence ni [Justice] Secretary [Leila] de Lima at [Comelec] Chairman [Sixto] Brillantes na ang dating Pangulo ay iligay sa government hospital,” said Horn.

According to their source, Mrs. Arroyo should be careful in the food being served and the medications being administered to her. Horn said they consider the source as highly reliable that they decided to share the information to the media.

“Alam rin po natin na lumabas sa column ni Mon Tulfo na sinabi daw po ni Secretary Butch Abad na kung pababa-biyahihen si Mrs. Arroyo eh mabuti na daw na barilin siya sa tarmac. So napagtatagpi-tagpi namin ang storya na talagang parang may agenda na hindi maganda para sa dating pangulo,” she said.

They are unsure though if they should ask for added security from the Philippine National Police (PNP). Arroyo lawyers are also discussing if they should raise the matter on Thursday at the Pasay Regional Trial Court (RTC) hearing. The Pasay RTC Branch 112 will hear on Thursday the motion requesting hospital arrest for Mrs. Arroyo, who was charged and arrested last November 18 for electoral sabotage of the 2007 elections.

Abad calls allegations 'absurd'

Department of Budget and Management (DBM) Secretary Butch Abad dismissed the allegations made by the Arroyo camp, calling it “absurd.”

“That is so absurd. Natatawa nga ako diyan eh. It’s a complete fabrication. It’s a sure sign of desperation. A futile scheme to distract people’s attention away from the serious charges of lying, cheating and stealing that Gloria Macapagal Arroyo is currently trying to escape from,” Abad told ANC’s “Prime Time” on Wednesday.

Abad said the camp of Mrs. Arroyo has become “desperate” in trying to evade the charges against the former President.

“They’ve been trying all sorts of maneuvering and schemes, including lying to try and evade all these serious charges that people are waiting to her confront. To this day, they have not succeeded in confusing the people so now they are the ones who are confused,” Abad said.

“I think they ran out of medical and legal excuses to prevent Arroyo from being detained in a government hospital or any government facility where she belongs. That is the pure and simple reason,” he added.

Abad was mentioned by Ramon Tulfo in his November 21 column published in the Philippine Daily Inquirer as the one who allegedly said “Why don’t we just shoot her at the tarmac?” which recalls the assassination of Senator Ninoy Aquino at the airport tarmac in August 1983.

Tulfo wrote that Abad allegedly made the remark during a meeting President Benigno Aquino III had with his Cabinet to discuss the government’s actions on the plans of Mrs. Arroyo and her husband to leave the country.

Abad also described the article as absurd, saying “there is no point dignifying those statements.”

“We have better things to do at the DBM [Department of Budget and Management] than to pay attention to those absurdities,” he said.

Palace says it's a complete fabrication

Presidential spokesperson Edwin Lacierda on Wednesday also denied the allegations made by Arroyo’s camp, saying it is a merely a plot to convince the public that hospital arrest is not suitable for the former President.

“This a product of small minds. It’s practically a complete fabrication. They have tried everything to pique sympathy from the public from crying in front of the media, to saying that the President has a life-threatening condition. Now they’re saying that her life is being threatened. So many lies have been thrown by her spokesperson to the public. The public is sick and tired of their lies. They don’t believe the camp of Arroyo anymore,” he told ANC.

Lacierda said the Aquino administration wants Mrs. Arroyo to face the charges of electoral sabotage filed against her.

“We want her to face the trial, we want her to be accountable. We do not want her to go the easy way out,” -- with ANC