Plug (pasak) then Patch (tapal) on tire?

[dr. d]

Hi, this morning, na flat ako and I went to a car service center and saw they put plug/pasak (like spaghetti) on the hole. Pero pinalaki muna nila hole to insert it. Yet the technician couldn't insert it. Kaya linagay kunti oil to let it slip. Naka rinig ka ng ganya? But nowhere did I read in the net that it was ok to put some oil. I'm afraid it may either slip or the air inside may get into the belt/ply. What would happen if pa patch ko yun portion inside it to seal the belt/play on the plug/pasak spot?

after so many posts,
i am curious,
bakit ka pumayag sa pasak?
why not insist on the usual cold patch?

[k_leos]

after so many posts,
i am curious,
bakit ka pumayag sa pasak?
why not insist on the usual cold patch?

Kasi hindi ko alam na pasak yan. Kala ko it's a new high tech method that replaced patch already, the service center being equipped with many state of the art technology. It's European tire center. It is only after I got back that I learnt slowly na pasak pala yun (which is also called stick on, string plug, spagettic patch, pasak). After 2 weeks, it is only now that I know pasak can be successful if accompanied by right vulcanizing solution that can bind the string rubber and tire rubber as one (like original).

However, hindi mabili easily ang vulcanizing solution at any hardware, nor mabilis hanapin ang rubber cement. Ang only available is Rugby contact cement. So these may be the tires that can fail.

Basta next time na flat ako. Insist ko patch with right vulcanizing solution, hindi lang rugby. They do patches at all Yokohama service center and other big service centers like Goodyear. They can also do the string plug with the right solution. The big service centers are the right place to have patches/string plug done so you won't have to end up in isolated shops (if your vehicle is expensive enough, like Hummer).

(edit: To add. To make patch more lasting, it's better to put gum or waterproof sealant outside so flood water can't get (from outside the tire) in the belts and plies that can rust them. So what is the best sealant to apply in the outside nail size hole, etc.? This is my last question. Thanks.)

[babkalakal]

(edit: To add. To make patch more lasting, it's better to put gum or waterproof sealant outside so flood water can't get (from outside the tire) in the belts and plies that can rust them. So what is the best sealant to apply in the outside nail size hole, etc.? This is my last question. Thanks.)

to be honest you need not bother doing what you are asking. i do not see any gains you may obtain provided the repair was done properly. in all my years of driving i have some tires with as much as 2 seperate patches and not a single one failed as a direct result of the patch. this is a (too) long drawn out topic already.

[Vodka]

tire shop people are the worst LOL. they jack your car at the wrong points. they over-torque your lug nuts. they don't clean the rim where the bead interfaces if you don't tell them to (you get slow leaks if not clean and smooth). they don't mark w/ chalk the valve position (so you don't have to rebalance). when mounting new tires they don't align the valve w/ the marking (to minimize wheel weights). when applying patch they don't wait the right amount of time to dry the rubber cement

then they put saliva on the valve to check for leak, which is gross haha

needless to say i directly supervise everything they do

[k_leos]

tire shop people are the worst LOL. they jack your car at the wrong points. they over-torque your lug nuts. they don't clean the rim where the bead interfaces if you don't tell them to (you get slow leaks if not clean and smooth). they don't mark w/ chalk the valve position (so you don't have to rebalance). when mounting new tires they don't align the valve w/ the marking (to minimize wheel weights). when applying patch they don't wait the right amount of time to dry the rubber cement

then they put saliva on the valve to check for leak, which is gross haha

needless to say i directly supervise everything they do

By the way, the reason the shop did my 2nd plug without taking off the tire was because baka ma damage ang suspensions by lifting it up.

Before in my Honda CRV 2004. Na damage nga suspensions by lifting the car up. They planned to lift up the car by putting the supports at the 4 suspensions during the 2nd plug fix. I was nervous because Honda CRV suspensions costs 15k each but Subaru suspensions cost 50k each and I don't have 200,000 pesos now to fix the suspensions besides adding 30k new tires for a pasak gone bad.

So what do you think is the best way to change 4 new tires. To lift the car up the suspensions supports using car lift or to jack up each tire? I asked these in the Yokokama service centers yesterday. Different branches use different techniques. Which is the safest that can't damage the strut or suspensions? And where are the right points to lift the whole car up? Sa suspensions lang ang choice or meron rin lifter that can use the car jack spots at the frame sides ba?

[dr. d]

By the way, the reason the shop did my 2nd plug without taking off the tire was because baka ma damage ang suspensions by lifting it up.

Before in my Honda CRV 2004. Na damage nga suspensions by lifting the car up. They planned to lift up the car by putting the supports at the 4 suspensions during the 2nd plug fix. I was nervous because Honda CRV suspensions costs 15k each but Subaru suspensions cost 50k each and I don't have 200,000 pesos now to fix the suspensions besides adding 30k new tires for a pasak gone bad.

So what do you think is the best way to change 4 new tires. To lift the car up the suspensions supports using car lift or to jack up each tire? I asked these in the Yokokama service centers yesterday. Different branches use different techniques. Which is the safest that can't damage the strut or suspensions? And where are the right points to lift the whole car up? Sa suspensions lang ang choice or meron rin lifter that can use the car jack spots at the frame sides ba?

the owner's manual usually indicates where the lift points are.
peruse the manual and show the shop workers, and/or make mando the shop workers as they lift your car up.
if you can't trust yourself or these workers, have the servicings on your car done at the casa na lang.

[boybi]

By the way, the reason the shop did my 2nd plug without taking off the tire was because baka ma damage ang suspensions by lifting it up.

Before in my Honda CRV 2004. Na damage nga suspensions by lifting the car up. They planned to lift up the car by putting the supports at the 4 suspensions during the 2nd plug fix. I was nervous because Honda CRV suspensions costs 15k each but Subaru suspensions cost 50k each and I don't have 200,000 pesos now to fix the suspensions besides adding 30k new tires for a pasak gone bad.

So what do you think is the best way to change 4 new tires. To lift the car up the suspensions supports using car lift or to jack up each tire? I asked these in the Yokokama service centers yesterday. Different branches use different techniques. Which is the safest that can't damage the strut or suspensions? And where are the right points to lift the whole car up? Sa suspensions lang ang choice or meron rin lifter that can use the car jack spots at the frame sides ba?

Pano nila nasira suspension? The suspension should be able to lift at least 1/4 of the weight of the car. Jacking up using the suspension dapat no problem.

It seems hindi mo first time magkaroon ng kotse, and yet napaka clueless mo sa gulong.

[shadow]

Hahaha napunta na sa suspension.


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[uls]

Pano nila nasira suspension? The suspension should be able to lift at least 1/4 of the weight of the car. Jacking up using the suspension dapat no problem.

It seems hindi mo first time magkaroon ng kotse, and yet napaka clueless mo sa gulong.

masyado madami multo sa isip

siguro dahil sa financial situation niya lahat ng gagawin sa kotse ingat na ingat

how can suspension get damaged by jacking the car?

so pag na-flat at mag palit ng gulong masisira suspension?

wtf

[uls]

actually lalo siya napapagastos dahil sa mga multo sa isip

google nang google tapos kung ano ano binili sa lazada/shopee para lang matahimik mga multo

pero di siya patatahimikin kasi sooner or later may ibang bagay mag mumulto sa kanya

psychological na yan doods

pano pag brand new na lahat ng gulong... tapos ilan araw palang may nakita pako nakatusok?

baka mag nervous breakdown

pano pag habang nagmamaneho nalubak nang malalim... sira na ang araw...

[yapoy86]

ah.. may iba kasi shops na nag lalagay ng jack sa suspension arm eh.. sa ibang design, manipis lang yun at hindi kaya mag carry ng bigat ng kotse..

na experience ko din yan recently nung nagpapalit ako ng gulong.. yung technician, balak nya ilagay yung jack dun sa rear suspension arm ng kotse.. eh manipis lang yun.. ako pa nagturo ng correct lift point dun sa likod..

kung di ko nakita, malamang bumaluktot yung suspension arm..

sa sides, along running board madalas ang jack point ng unibody design.. pero hindi advisable na gamitan yan ng crocodile jack kasi may tendency yung crocodile jack to pull the car sideways na pwede mag bend dun sa jack point..

if ever na gagamit ng crocodile jack, make sure na naka position yung jack almost parallel dun sa running board

[uls]

para patahimikin ang isip

[17Sphynx17]

masyado madami multo sa isip

siguro dahil sa financial situation niya lahat ng gagawin sa kotse ingat na ingat

how can suspension get damaged by jacking the car?

so pag na-flat at mag palit ng gulong masisira suspension?

wtf

Per Family and Extended Family's experience with Hondas, if your Honda is around 9 to 10 years old with the stock shocks/suspension, pag nilift siya na hyper extended lahat then bring back down na magcompress sila after ibaba from the lift, need na talaga palit shocks ng Honda at least pag ganun. But given the age, I would expect papalitan din naman talaga (malapit na).

Nangyari na ito anecdotally up to an uncle's Accord that is 2010/2011 model (if memory serves me right).. light used lang, but once inakyat sa lift... ganun din. Common "daw" talaga with Honda shocks with age, pag hyper extended na lift, then mag recompress pag binaba wala na. bibigay talaga. Nangyari din sa various CRVs, Civics and City ng extended family's due to age. I guess yun yung common knowledge na ng mekaniko na din kasi ang nagsabi din sa amin na may "possibility" is yung sa Honda casa pa.

Though, this is not jacking one wheel lang. Talaga lifting the whole car up, all 4 wheels nakalambitin lang kaya mag hyper extended yung shocks

[uls]

#overthinking


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[dr. d]

Per Family and Extended Family's experience with Hondas, if your Honda is around 9 to 10 years old with the stock shocks/suspension, pag nilift siya na hyper extended lahat then bring back down na magcompress sila after ibaba from the lift, need na talaga palit shocks ng Honda at least pag ganun. But given the age, I would expect papalitan din naman talaga (malapit na).

Nangyari na ito anecdotally up to an uncle's Accord that is 2010/2011 model (if memory serves me right).. light used lang, but once inakyat sa lift... ganun din. Common "daw" talaga with Honda shocks with age, pag hyper extended na lift, then mag recompress pag binaba wala na. bibigay talaga. Nangyari din sa various CRVs, Civics and City ng extended family's due to age. I guess yun yung common knowledge na ng mekaniko na din kasi ang nagsabi din sa amin na may "possibility" is yung sa Honda casa pa.

Though, this is not jacking one wheel lang. Talaga lifting the whole car up, all 4 wheels nakalambitin lang kaya mag hyper extended yung shocks

... but honda does not manufacture its shocks... do they?
is this issue unique to honda, or to the manufacturer of the shock for honda...?
baka naman kapag ibang brand ang gamitin ay tulad na nang iba...?

[Sweetlucious]

From a punctured tire to buying a set of tires, then napunta sa suspension.

Pag yan napunta sa buying a new car bec. of pasak/patch “problem”.

Ayawan na!!!!

[k_leos]

ah.. may iba kasi shops na nag lalagay ng jack sa suspension arm eh.. sa ibang design, manipis lang yun at hindi kaya mag carry ng bigat ng kotse..

na experience ko din yan recently nung nagpapalit ako ng gulong.. yung technician, balak nya ilagay yung jack dun sa rear suspension arm ng kotse.. eh manipis lang yun.. ako pa nagturo ng correct lift point dun sa likod..

kung di ko nakita, malamang bumaluktot yung suspension arm..

sa sides, along running board madalas ang jack point ng unibody design.. pero hindi advisable na gamitan yan ng crocodile jack kasi may tendency yung crocodile jack to pull the car sideways na pwede mag bend dun sa jack point..

if ever na gagamit ng crocodile jack, make sure na naka position yung jack almost parallel dun sa running board

In the video above, the technician was cleaning the rugby he put in the pasak (string plug) (the 2nd repair where he didn't wait for 15 mins before inserting it). The reason he put the car in the car lift levers was kasi plano nya to lift car up by using the blue thing (in the left of the video) in the suspension arms. Pero I stopped them, kasi when it happened to my honda CRV dati, nasira lahat na suspensions, buti na lang mas mura lang replacement ng CRV (but Subaru has no replacement parts, you have to buy original sa casa worth about 50,000 each suspension).

Now lahat na car lift kahit sa tire shop use the blue thing to lift the suspension arm? Puwede rin yun blue lagay sa sides or para sa suspension arm lang yun?

If so, saan exactly sa suspension arm puwede lagay yun so when they change all the tires bukas, ma sure ko hindi ma bend yun suspension arms (or convince them to use manu manu spring jack na lang that came with the car). Matagal kaya I need reasons to insist to them to use the old fashion ways.

If you can please reply with labels arrow pointing out saan exactly the suspension arms puwede nila ma lift the whole Subaru
Forester 2015 edition. Salamat for the tips.

[uls]

From a punctured tire to buying a set of tires, then napunta sa suspension.

Pag yan napunta sa buying a new car bec. of pasak/patch “problem”.

Ayawan na!!!!

pag lagi may multo ang isip kahit bumili ng bagong kotse di parin magkakaroon ng peace of mind

kasi sooner or later meron at meron gagawin dun sa kotse

once na may ginalaw sa kotse... kahit change oil lang...overthink na yan... tama ba ung langis? na-undertighten/overtighten ba ang oil filter?

wala na... the car's ruined

[dr. d]

pag lagi may multo ang isip kahit bumili ng bagong kotse di parin magkakaroon ng peace of mind

kasi sooner or later meron at meron gagawin dun sa kotse

once na may ginalaw sa kotse... kahit change oil lang...overthink na yan... tama ba ung langis? na-undertighten/overtighten ba ang oil filter?

wala na... the car's ruined

we should learn to "don't worry, be happy", lest we get caught in the quagmire.
this post-er, apparently, got quagmired.
let's see how he gets out of it.

he started with his tale that his tyre was mal-fixed.
now, he's into the suspension-can-be-destroyed-by-bad-lifting thing.
what's next?

simple cars have their blessings.

[boybi]

pag lagi may multo ang isip kahit bumili ng bagong kotse di parin magkakaroon ng peace of mind

kasi sooner or later meron at meron gagawin dun sa kotse

once na may ginalaw sa kotse... kahit change oil lang...overthink na yan... tama ba ung langis? na-undertighten/overtighten ba ang oil filter?

wala na... the car's ruined

Baka nasobrahan or kulang ng 5ml yung langis!