Plug (pasak) then Patch (tapal) on tire?

[k_leos]

if you must use the car, and you fear for your safety using that pasak'd tyre,
replace your pasak'd tyre with your spare tyre.
use your pasak'd tyre as your spare tyre, in the meantime.
you may have that pasak'd tyre patched up with cold patch or other method, at your leisure, if you wish.
or, if you fear for your safety, even if that tyre has already been 'repaired', then just purcha$e a new tyre. hey! it's six years old, if you believe that.

over the years,
i have experienced flat tyre in so many ways.
alambre, pakong bakya, screwdriver shaft (no handle), one peso coin (the tear was so long, tyre folks thought it was dangerous to repair), and even a stationary lamp post's sharp metal base (ripped my tyre to shreds).

while i did once have a pasak repair from a branded establishment (it leaked still!), none of my cold patch repairs have ever failed.
i have tried several shops, from fully-manual lean-to jobs in the nearby province, to fully-powered brand-name establishments in the big city.

good luck, sir.

Does anyone know where to buy this locally?



It's not available at lazada local but overseas and will take more than a week to arrive.

Does anyone have this? It is 468 pesos for 24 pcs or 20 pesos a piece. I can buy it for 100 a piece ok lang or you can give to me if you (anyone) has extra

My extra tire has different width and mags.



This is the tire specs.



Also yesterday I learnt something important.

1. A tire is not like rubber put over metal ring (like wedding ring). Instead fibers in the belt and plies are wound around the rubber. That is. The belt and plies are made of fibers. Without rubber that adhere to them, the fibers can't support themselves. So it's like the rubber, belt and plies support one another.

2. After 6 years or more depending on weathering, the plasticizer in the rubber can degrade causing water to seep in and damage the fibers in the belts and plies. This is how it can degrade.

3. When you have small nail damage and use patch. Not many fibers are destroyed and even if it can rust, only small spot (maybe? imagine your tire in the flood and water seeping inside, but my cousin said he never used patch because ma rust daw inside).

4. I have a CRV made in early 2000 and had half a dozen tire punctures that used patch repair methods and no problems. Early this week, first time to see a stick on or pasag or plug method, and shocked how they made the hole much wider. So you can't patch it with already that big a hole. Instead use mushroom patch.

5. For pasag repair method. If you use the reamer in the kit, there are a few damages in the fibers when the reamer is inserted. So in those pasag or plugs that fails, it is because the damage to the fibers are great that is why it can cause the spot or area to bulge. So maybe suwertehan how the technician do the pasak or stick on or plug in your tire??

5. If I can't find a mushroom patch locally and no one willing to share one. Then pa proper pasag ko with right reamer and used glue in the kit. But can I just let him push the existing string rubber inside the tyre? During driving, can the string rubber accelerate and damage the tire or other unwanted effects? Must it be removed by opening up the rim?

6. Most important. Saan pinaka competent na service center which can do the pasag (stick on or string plug). I called up Car Zone (Bouncy now), Mega motion, etc. in Banawe early this week but they didn't do any vulcanizing or plug/patch repair, that was why I was forced to go to Kamuning and ended up with the service center that put oil inside without any glue.

[boybi]

If always in doubt, buy a new tire every time mabutasan ka ng gulong para walang multo sa isip.

[dr. d]

If always in doubt, buy a new tire every time mabutasan ka ng gulong para walang multo sa isip.

right!
but for this tyre only.
after all, the tyre is 6 years old na...

but if the guys believe in 6-year tyre lifespans... perhaps replace all four tyres...!

personally,
i don't doubt the tyre.
but the other guys might.

if post-er has doubts,
i suggest he bring it to the official tire brand dealer, and ask their opinion.
if they say it can be safely repaired using ordinary means, so be it. have it repaired then and there.
if they say the tyre is unsafe, then he's already in the right place to purchase a new tyre.

[uls]

ay jusko para lang sa pasak patche...

tama

palit bagong gulong nalang tuwing natusok ang gulong

jusko

[uls]

kaya may mga service center ayaw nila pinapanood ng customer habang nagtatrabaho mga mekaniko

may mga customer kasi masyado maselan

like have you seen paano mag ayos ng pang ilalim ng sasakyan?

ung palit shocks, lahat ng bushing, tierod, etc

ung papaluin ng maso para matanggal mga lumang piesa

pag nakita ng customer yan "OMG what are you doing to my baby?!!"

[dr. d]

kaya may mga service center ayaw nila pinapanood ng customer habang nagtatrabaho mga mekaniko

may mga customer kasi masyado maselan

like have you seen paano mag ayos ng pang ilalim ng sasakyan?

ung palit shocks, lahat ng bushing, tierod, etc

ung papaluin ng maso para matanggal mga lumang piesa

pag nakita ng customer yan "OMG what are you doing to my baby?!!"

i stay away far enough,
para hindi ma-anggihan ng kalawang or langis.

if i trust the guy naman,
dun na lang ako sa proferred upuan. mas ok kung may dumaang taho-man.

car ownership is indeed a unique experience.

[oj88]

Sama mo na yung debate about using compressed air vs nitrogen.

I'd probably get this much anal about tire plugs if we're talking about space shuttles and airline tires, where each wheel is filled up to hundreds of psi.

For road vehicles, any half-decent plug will work. Just know the limits of the tire...... that means, it's probably a bad idea to track the vehicle or drive it up to its rated speed index after a puncture.

[k_leos]

right!
but for this tyre only.
after all, the tyre is 6 years old na...

but if the guys believe in 6-year tyre lifespans... perhaps replace all four tyres...!

personally,
i don't doubt the tyre.
but the other guys might.

if post-er has doubts,
i suggest he bring it to the official tire brand dealer, and ask their opinion.
if they say it can be safely repaired using ordinary means, so be it. have it repaired then and there.
if they say the tyre is unsafe, then he's already in the right place to purchase a new tyre.

I already asked Subaru 2 days ago. They don't repair tire. And they don't know nearest tyre repair center. Bahala na daw ang customers mag hanap.

I don't have budget to put 4 new tires at same time because pandemic has nearly closed my business already, and Omicron is coming.

If I just put one new Yokohama tire with same spec of 225/60 R17, with full thread thickness. What would happen to the 3 other tires. Would their treads get thin faster or would it involves only the new tire? Any animation of the effects?

I was supposed to go to fort yesterday but because of the condition of the tire, i didn't use it and my old CRV is not for long distant. Kaya nakakulong lang sa bahay kami family. This afternoon, baka close na lahat na quality tire repair centers.

Just suggest a good one with the most advanced tire changing machine, or used complete plugging method with glue inserted. Because I don't want to take another chance with random shop. I'll just wait for the best shop para punta ako dun in January 3. Thank you for all the help guys.

[Miles_on]

If always in doubt, buy a new tire every time mabutasan ka ng gulong para walang multo sa isip.

ay jusko para lang sa pasak patche...

I'd probably get this much anal about tire plugs if we're talking about space shuttles and airline tires, where each wheel is filled up to hundreds of psi.

Napansin nyo rin pala...

I dropped a hint in my post yesterday, kaya nga napa "Wow" na lang ako at the end
Isip ko lang, ang tiyaga ng mga regulars dito

On the bright side though, yung info being shared is interesting & useful naman din.

[dr. d]

If I just put one new Yokohama tire with same spec of 225/60 R17, with full thread thickness. What would happen to the 3 other tires. Would their treads get thin faster or would it involves only the new tire? Any animation of the effects?

i once purchased one new tyre, and mixed it with the three older ones.
i noted no significant difference in car behavior or performance.
did one tyre wear faster than the rest?
i wouldn't know. kasi, it was still several years afterward, that the older tyres became bald enough for replacement. by that time, i couldn't care less anymore.

[dr. d]

Napansin nyo rin pala...

I dropped a hint in my post yesterday, kaya nga napa "Wow" na lang ako at the end
Isip ko lang, ang tiyaga ng mga regulars dito

On the bright side though, yung info being shared is interesting & useful naman din.

it's holiday season.
i have time to burn.

[dr. d]

Ah, you said it Doc.
Not just lamp posts, other hazards I've come across included an old sign post na putol na (nilagare... ninakaw and sold by the kilo pehaps) Didn't hit the tire, but scratched the left fender/bumper.

Hindi mo pa makita yung mga yan! Out of your field of vision below the hood (mababa eh).

folks sometimes chide me for avoiding puddles of water when driving.
"is your car afraid of a little water?"

my reply,
"i am not afraid of water, IF that is all there is. but you see, water collects there because the surface there is lower than the surrounding. and if water collects there, so do nails, screws, and other objects that can puncture my tyre." this is especially true of the deeper puddles.

[uls]

i stay away far enough,
para hindi ma-anggihan ng kalawang or langis.

if i trust the guy naman,
dun na lang ako sa proferred upuan. mas ok kung may dumaang taho-man.

car ownership is indeed a unique experience.

sa banawe i'd be watching 2 to 3 feet away from start to finish

tinutulungan ko pa (ako ung customer na nadudumihan ang kamay haha)

minememorize ko lahat ng piesa na kinalas nila... every bolt, nut, washer... and watch them install all the new parts and make sure hinigpitan nila lahat ng tornilyo hehe

then i'll gather all my old parts and put them in the boxes where the new parts came from

[dr. d]

sa banawe i'd be watching 2 to 3 feet away from start to finish

tinutulungan ko pa (ako ung customer na nadudumihan ang kamay haha)

minememorize ko lahat ng piesa na kinalas nila... every bolt, nut, washer... and watch them install all the new parts and make sure hinigpitan nila lahat ng tornilyo hehe

then i'll gather all my old parts and put them in the boxes where the new parts came from

wise move.
kasi naman, if the mekaniko notices that we just fell off the turnip truck,
we might end up with the old parts... cleaned up a bit, then... re-installed!
heh heh.

also, having them old parts around, you have a stash of emergency parts, for justin...

errr,
what do you do with the old parts?

we (dad) used to bring home the old parts.
one day, we noticed that were were tripping over them already, in the workshop at home.
nag-tawag si dad ng magbobote...

[uls]

wise move.
kasi naman, if the mekaniko notices that we just fell off the turnip truck,
we might end up with the old parts... cleaned up a bit, then... re-installed!
heh heh.

errr,
what do you do with the old parts?

we (dad) used to bring home the old parts.
one day, we noticed that were were tripping over them already, in the workshop at home.
nag-tawag si dad ng magbobote...

i bring home the old parts hehe

[jut703]

This is a surprisingly long discussion for a very simple topic.

I get my vulcanizing done at Goodyear Servitek near my place. 400 pesos with a decent tire changer and good mechanics. They use your typical patches.

Have tracked my car several times with patched tires, also countless roadtrips.

If you don’t feel confident with the repair of the tire, change it. Simple as that.


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[Miles_on]

sa banawe i'd be watching 2 to 3 feet away from start to finish

tinutulungan ko pa (ako ung customer na nadudumihan ang kamay haha)

minememorize ko lahat ng piesa na kinalas nila... every bolt, nut, washer... and watch them install all the new parts and make sure hinigpitan nila lahat ng tornilyo hehe

then i'll gather all my old parts and put them in the boxes where the new parts came from

Same here. Watched like a hawk, and fiddling din with the removed parts like "Didi" in "Dexter's Lab":

"What does this do? What happens if we do... this? Oooooh..."

In the rare times kami magpagawa sa casa, I never go to the ones na (absolutely) prohibited yung access sa service bays. Di rin ako pumapayag dalhin sa taas para gawin, even if I have to wait longer for the service bays downstairs to free up.

[k_leos]

If you will read this. Both the pasak (plug) and tapal (patch) methods are incorrect.




The RIGHT and WRONG way to repair a punctured tyre. >> Dexel Blog

My honda and toyota has dozens of patches done over decades but the holes were mostly from nails. So the rusts may be minimal.

But what if the holes were bigger and one put oil in the plugs?

Or what if the vehicles were used to the limits? That's when the bad repair can cause harm diba.

What if the following accidents that killed 5 people from a blown tire was caused by a bad plug repair?

OPINION: Who’s to Blame for the Tire Blowout at NLEX? - Bridgestone Tires PH

I was searching for the discussions in Power Wheels facebook and couldn't find it. Do you know nasaan discussions nila kasi I wanted to see their bad repair theories.

It asked "With the driver arrested and awaiting charges, and the NLEX traffic back to normal, this case seems to be over and forgotten. But it shouldn’t be. All the angles leading to the crash should be and must be investigated. Those persons who are guilty of negligence leading to the crash should be held liable. One question should be answered first: Why did the tire blow out?"

Who knows. Maybe from bad plug or patch repair?

Hope we can have legislations where only combination plug and patch will be allowed. This is true in other countries. It can save lives.

Just share with me saan meron mabili mushroom patch locally na readily available and anong service center marunong mag gamit nito with sealant pa around the mushroom head (as the earlier youtube video shared showed). So ma try ko nito. If mukha not well done. Then bili just one new tire as suggested by dr. d, 7k na asked ko pinaka mura sa banawe. Btw.. is there by chance meron ba fake na Yokohama tyres?

Happy New Year everyone. Thanks for the tips.

[dr. d]

there is a maximum puncture diameter, beyond which the tyre is unsafe for repair by patch.
when the tyre man says so, i follow his advise.
none of my cold patches have failed, yet.

sidewall punctures... by my experience, they're not typically 'round and small'. mine have been gaping wounds.
unsafe for repair.
"too much flexing" for any repair to hold.

[Miles_on]

But it shouldn’t be. All the angles leading to the crash should be and must be investigated. Those persons who are guilty of negligence leading to the crash should be held liable.

I came across a minor fender bender outside Hiroshima Airport a few years back.

When I came out of the terminal, the Japanese authorities were meticulously documenting everything- measuring distances, looking around for skid marks, etc.

Dito sa `tin:

"O, piktyuran nyo, mey camera naman mga celpun nyo di ba? O, tapos na? Sige, itabi nyo na't dun kayo magusap. Nagtratrapik eh."

Pffftt... Pilipinas kong mahaaaaal...