Gas saving device

[php4us]

Hi raijuta

I'm actually a newbie here. In fact, a newbie driver so my comment is addressed towards you plus the administrators of this forum like ghosthunter. They have been skeptics of this product so I was just thinking, it might be for the good of the members of this forum if they themselves can test it and post the results here.

I remember it was ghosthunter (or another admin) memtioned in another thread that they will test out one of these devices if there's a money back guarantee. I think this is better. Aside from the MBG, they can also help us evaluate the product here -- whether it turns out to be negative or positive.

What do you think ghosthunter, et. al?

[niky]

Originally posted by ghosthunter
Car manufacturer CAN adjust their car's ECUs to do exactly what these devices are doing. The reason why they don't is because they have to make sure their cars run well, smooth and RELIABLE even when their owners/drivers put regular gasoline (low octane) in their tanks.

Running an engine too lean can make it overheat too.

Woohoo!!! Someone finally hit the nail on the head!!! (I wonder why no one has mentioned this before... I knew this one also...)

Excessively lean running can cause heat damage to the inside of an engine.... Have you ever wondered why some ghetto turbo engines catch fire? That's because the engine leans out and the metal starts to burn. :D

This won't be as dramatic in slightly leaned out engines, but you may be exceeding specific factory safety parameters.

[raijuta]

eto po updates ko for this day..share ko lang

Oct 4 for Automatic Transmission

nag hahataw ako kanina sa macapagal highway..kaya sobrang akasaya sa gas...pero if you will think..tipid pa din..compared sa dati ko na 6-8KM/L

Start trip - 182.6

End trip - 208.6

26 KM

nung nagpafull tank ako ang nakarga is 2.14

26 KM/2.14 = 12.14 KM/L

HTH!

[raijuta]

php4us sir....np po yun..actually pinost ko po yung result ng testing sa ibat ibang car groups for benefit po nung mga interested sa product.... kc dami ko ng nakikitang nagtatanong ng result nito. Sana nga ok sya until the last day...

Originally posted by php4us
Hi raijuta

I'm actually a newbie here. In fact, a newbie driver so my comment is addressed towards you plus the administrators of this forum like ghosthunter. They have been skeptics of this product so I was just thinking, it might be for the good of the members of this forum if they themselves can test it and post the results here.

I remember it was ghosthunter (or another admin) memtioned in another thread that they will test out one of these devices if there's a money back guarantee. I think this is better. Aside from the MBG, they can also help us evaluate the product here -- whether it turns out to be negative or positive.

What do you think ghosthunter, et. al?

[raijuta]

Sir buknoy2002...di ko lang po sure kng yung iba may money back guarantee...sabi kc sa amin ni mr reambillo...kaya sila nagbibigay ng money back guarantee kc sure sila na effective ang product....kaya daw...may mga negative comments dahil dun sa mga dealers na di marunong mag install.....certified mechanics po ng khaos yung mga nasa kanila...so sure yung effectivity ng product...well..nung una nag dududa ko dito sa product na to..pero...as the days pass by..unti unti ngang may pinapatunayan tong produkto na to...Ang maganda pa kay mr reambillo..di mo kailngan pumunta sa shop nila..i install nila kng nasan ka nandun....para convinient syo..

Originally posted by buknoy2002
raijuta,

do all dealers of khaos offer money back guaranttee? o si reambulo lang?

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by php4us
I'm actually a newbie here. In fact, a newbie driver so my comment is addressed towards you plus the administrators of this forum like ghosthunter. They have been skeptics of this product so I was just thinking, it might be for the good of the members of this forum if they themselves can test it and post the results here.

I remember it was ghosthunter (or another admin) memtioned in another thread that they will test out one of these devices if there's a money back guarantee. I think this is better. Aside from the MBG, they can also help us evaluate the product here -- whether it turns out to be negative or positive.

What do you think ghosthunter, et. al?

I am a skeptic of this device because I already know how it works inside and out. I can build you one if you give me half a day in a machine shop or assemble one from parts you can get from Banawe and it will NOT cost you P6000,... much much less.

Or you can simply re-tune your engine. That will cost you much much less than P6000. All you need is a visit to your trusted mechaniko.

Or you can have your car STOICHed for less than P6000 (for those who know Larry F.).

[ghosthunter]

The discussed device leans out the air-fuel mix. There are reasons why it is avoided.

http://home.earthlink.net/~graham1/M...s/LeanBurn.htm

Lean Burn - Why it is Usually Avoided

An Otto Cycle engine is made to operate below its peak power by restricting the flow of air into the engine with a throttle valve. Drawing air into the cylinder past this restriction creates a partial vacuum, which takes energy. The reduction in fuel efficiency thus caused is called "pumping loss". The Prius engine uses the Atkinson Cycle to reduce this loss. Power reduction is achieved by keeping the intake valve open and expelling part of the fuel/air mixture as the piston rises. A side effect is a lower peak power for a given engine size.

An apparently superior method to either closing the throttle or expelling fuel/air mixture is to keep the volume of air allowed into the cylinder the same as for full power and to reduce only the amount of fuel. This is called "lean burn", because a fuel/air mixture with less fuel than is needed to consume all the oxygen in the air is called "lean". Some engines use this technique, notably the Honda Insight engine. However, special design considerations are needed to overcome several problems. This side-bar explains why lean burn is not the "silver bullet" it at first appears to be. It should not be taken to mean that there is anything wrong with engines properly designed to use lean burn.

The following explanation of the major problem of lean burn, engine damage


High Temperature, Pre-Ignition and Detonation Caused by Lean Burn

Normal combustion is never complete; by the phenomenon of thermal equilibrium, there remains an unburned boundary layer of air-fuel mixture insulating the metal components of the combustion chamber from the propagating flame front, that fractal beast of burning air/fuel mixture originating at the spark plug. A dangerously lean air/fuel mixture burns with most efficiency, so much that the insulating boundary layer also gets consumed and the flame front touches the metal walls. At those locations, there is a dramatic rise in temperature, high enough to cause subsequent charges of air and fuel to spontaneously ignite resulting in multiple flame fronts. This is pre-ignition. Preceding each flame front is its sonic pressure wave whose collisions we hear as knocking and pinging. Allowed to persist, colliding sonic pressure waves will concentrate on the irregular shapes present (edges of pistons, valves, even the spark plug) to cause severe damage, just as you could with a hammer in your hand; this is detonation.


Similar Problems with Octane Too Low

Also, using fuel whose octane is too low, that is, fuel with a greater tendency to spontaneously ignite under the heat and pressure of a particular engine, can instigate multiple flame fronts with their usual knocking, pinging, and risk of damage from heat or detonation.


Oxides of Nitrogen Emissions Caused by Lean Burn

In addition to the engine damage problems caused by lean burn explained by Al, above, high combustion temperatures and an excess of oxygen cause the formation of oxides of nitrogen. The respiratory problems caused by air pollution are due in large part to these emissions and reducing them is an important goal of environmentally sensitive vehicles. The Honda Insight has special equipment to trap and convert oxides of nitrogen in the exhaust. Even so, with lean burn it is unable to qualify as a SULEV vehicle because of the remaining oxides of nitrogen that cannot be removed.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by raijuta
eto po updates ko for this day..share ko lang

Oct 4 for Automatic Transmission

nag hahataw ako kanina sa macapagal highway..kaya sobrang akasaya sa gas...pero if you will think..tipid pa din..compared sa dati ko na 6-8KM/L

Start trip - 182.6

End trip - 208.6

26 KM

nung nagpafull tank ako ang nakarga is 2.14

26 KM/2.14 = 12.14 KM/L

HTH!

You know, I can also run my car at 100-120kph up and down Macapagal Hiway and get 10 to 12 km/L in my car with the setup I use to drive everyday. In typical city driving I get around 6-8km/L, with airconditioning running. That's with typical traffic going to makati, cubao, quezon city and all points inbetween.

You have proved nothing in this message except you like to waste your time, waste expensive gasoline and drive recklessly fast without valid reason.

[raijuta]

Sorry sir..im not proving anything..nagpopost lang po ako..ng result for this day...sorry if this message cause a negative impression... Di naman po ako nag drive recklessly...first time po kcing umabot ng 3k yung rpm ko...dahil laging hang 2k lang ako...just want to test this product kapag higher than 2k na yung rpm mo..

yung normal city driving ko po kc is 6-8KM/L after ng nlagyan ng device..,naging 12-13KM/L. Im just testing the product po..for the group..and will not get anything from it...

Originally posted by ghosthunter
You know, I can also run my car at 100-120kph up and down Macapagal Hiway and get 10 to 12 km/L in my car with the setup I use to drive everyday. In typical city driving I get around 6-8km/L. Thats traffic going to makati, cubao, quezon city and all points inbetween.

You have proved nothing is this message except you like to waste your time, waste expensive gasoline and drive reckless fast without valid reason.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by raijuta
Sorry sir..im not proving anything..nagpopost lang po ako..ng result for this day...sorry if this message cause a negative impression... Di naman po ako nag drive recklessly...first time po kcing umabot ng 3k yung rpm ko...dahil laging hang 2k lang ako...just want to test this product kapag higher than 2k na yung rpm mo..

yung normal city driving ko po kc is 6-8KM/L after ng nlagyan ng device..,naging 12-13KM/L. Im just testing the product po..for the group..and will not get anything from it...

driving along macapagal hiway is NOT city driving.