Gas saving device

[squala]

After KHAOS is installed in your car, they challenge you to use only the odd-numbered gears in driving (1-3-5). They claim that acceleration will still be quick even when skipping gears.

There is this one side of me that believes that if KHAOS only corrects the air-fuel mixture to enable complete combustion and make use of every drop of gasoline, then it should not meddle with performance and reliability. There are some fuel-saving measures or devices that are designed to reduce revs, thereby worsening performance. And if other engine components are suppressed by these, then its useful life will shorten as well. So here, it is implied that KHAOS only deals with the external factor on which a car's engine depends, air. Its claim of allowing the right amount of air to enter the engine and mix with gasoline should have no compromise to performance and engine life.

On my skeptic side though, I can't think of how such a small device can do wonders for your car. I also believe that when economy is enhanced, performance suffers, and vice-versa. But this thing is said to improve both factors, something only an endurance test can prove.

With things like KHAOS promising to be this and that, we are simply to decide on two things, to play safe and ignore such gimmick, or shell out some money to either improve or worsen the performance and dependability of our cars.

[raijuta]

mga pare...nagpainstall ako nito to test para sa mitsulancerph club..ang deal namin is 10 days of testing... my car is a Lancer GLXi 97 A/T.Nag aaverage po ako ng 6-8 KM/L--10KM/L na po ang max ko. Ang last na tune up ko eh last January pa..actually yung mga negative feedbacks tingin ko..dipende kc sa nag install buti na lang yng nakuha namin sa club na dealer eh certified mechanic ng khaos...I would like to invite you to visit this site..dito po nakapost yung testing results namin

http://mitsulancer.proboards22.com/i...splay&start=45


eto nga pla yng name ng dealer ..incase you are interested

REAMBILLO GEN. MDSE.
No.7 4th Camarilla St., Murphy, Quezon City
Contact #s: 09178192123; 09273881638
Mr. Odee Reambillo

Disclaimer: Just want to remind everyone na wla po kaming kick back dito...o ano man..we are just testing the product for mitsulancerph club. If we are happy with the results..we have the choice to buy the product or return it..pero so far..maganda ang resulta...eto po yung latest results

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For A/T updates as of Oct 2,

ginamit ko na din formula ni blue gsr..nagpafull tank muna ako then I travelled and then nagpakarga ulit ng full tank

result

Start trip 164.8
End trip 182.6
RPM= 2000

Total Travelled = 17.8

Nagpa full tank ulet ako ang nakarga lng is 1.23 L

17.8/1.23

KM/L = 14.47

Condition - traffic sa edsa dahil dun sa mga bus and trucks na papuntang NLEX

Wla pa ding pagbabago sa idling pati yung hatak nya pino..OT to..nakakatawa lng nung nagpafull tank ako..kc wala pang 15-20 sec napuno agad yng tank..gulat yung gas boy...hehehe

Hope this Helps

[niky]

Not yet it doesn't. The amount is too small!

Remember, iba't iba ang pagme-measure ng gas boys at auto-cut-off ng pumps sa full tank. Measure from a full tank and wait till it's at least HALF empty before measuring. This gives a better indication of effect and effectively reduces the percentage of error at the pump to around 1%.

Do this for two full tanks at least, and then remove the device, and do two more full tanks afterwards for comparison (same driving situation). Would like to know your results. :D

[pissword]

sir glennster walang details doon sa TABLOID eh hehe... gulat lang ako kasi i thought EGO tapos iba naman ang inventor... KHAOS pala... ang sinabi lang doon eh si mike defensor ang nakatingin pag test. bilib na bilib daw... but then anu nga ba alam nung tao?

sana yang mga gumamit dito maexplain kung anung kababalaghan ang ginagawa nyang KHAOS

mental rev limiter, 2K rpm? d ata kaya sa akin yung 2K rev limiter konting pitik lang 2K na siya eh haha high reving engine kasi. 3K siguro pwede pa

[raijuta]

Sir Niky thanks for the info ..cge I will do that..and will give you updates..auto cut off po yung pag papa full tank ko dun sa pinost ko....

sir pissword..hehe ang lakas ng rpm mo...3k min?? ako....mabagal kc akong magpatakbo ..plus A/T pa yung oto ko..kaya 2k lang ang average hehehe

[buknoy2002]

Originally posted by raijuta
mga pare...nagpainstall ako nito to test para sa mitsulancerph club..ang deal namin is 10 days of testing... my car is a Lancer GLXi 97 A/T.Nag aaverage po ako ng 6-8 KM/L--10KM/L na po ang max ko. Ang last na tune up ko eh last January pa..actually yung mga negative feedbacks tingin ko..dipende kc sa nag install buti na lang yng nakuha namin sa club na dealer eh certified mechanic ng khaos...I would like to invite you to visit this site..dito po nakapost yung testing results namin

http://mitsulancer.proboards22.com/i...splay&start=45


eto nga pla yng name ng dealer ..incase you are interested

REAMBILLO GEN. MDSE.
No.7 4th Camarilla St., Murphy, Quezon City
Contact #s: 09178192123; 09273881638
Mr. Odee Reambillo

Disclaimer: Just want to remind everyone na wla po kaming kick back dito...o ano man..we are just testing the product for mitsulancerph club. If we are happy with the results..we have the choice to buy the product or return it..pero so far..maganda ang resulta...eto po yung latest results

*********************************************
For A/T updates as of Oct 2,

ginamit ko na din formula ni blue gsr..nagpafull tank muna ako then I travelled and then nagpakarga ulit ng full tank

result

Start trip 164.8
End trip 182.6
RPM= 2000

Total Travelled = 17.8

Nagpa full tank ulet ako ang nakarga lng is 1.23 L

17.8/1.23

KM/L = 14.47

Condition - traffic sa edsa dahil dun sa mga bus and trucks na papuntang NLEX

Wla pa ding pagbabago sa idling pati yung hatak nya pino..OT to..nakakatawa lng nung nagpafull tank ako..kc wala pang 15-20 sec napuno agad yng tank..gulat yung gas boy...hehehe

Hope this Helps

raijuta,

do all dealers of khaos offer money back guaranttee? o si reambulo lang?

[php4us]

Hi raijuta

I read the thread. It think it would be a nice idea if the company that your group has dealt with can make the same offer in this forum. Can you ask them if they are willing? Also, can you also invite odee so he can share some light for both would-be users and skeptics alike?

Thanks.

[mazdamazda]

btw, i read in the papers last week that the Khaos spokesperson is claiming that it will soon be a mandatory device on all vehicles! the nerve...

btw, what's the difference of Khaos with the other dozen pre-combustion device out there in the market like Ecotek?

as like what niky said, all you need is a small filter and a spring-action valve (as this is dependent on the vacuum to measure on what they claim the "perfect" AF ratio. by the way, this was what is inside the Ecotek device when it was dissected.

by the way, if this is as simple as it sounds, how come car manufacturers didn't just adjust their ECUs to do exactly what this post-combustion devices claims?

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by mazdamazda

by the way, if this is as simple as it sounds, how come car manufacturers didn't just adjust their ECUs to do exactly what this post-combustion devices claims?

Car manufacturer CAN adjust their car's ECUs to do exactly what these devices are doing. The reason why they don't is because they have to make sure their cars run well, smooth and RELIABLE even when their owners/drivers put regular gasoline (low octane) in their tanks.

Running an engine too lean can make it overheat too.

[raijuta]

Hi Sir...tingin ko po wlang magiging problem kay Mr Reambillo yun. Basta po may basbas ng admin natin dito yung testing para po kita ng lahat. I kontak nyo po si mr reambillo..pero nabanggit ko na po sa kanya about sa inquiries nyo ng testing, madali naman po sya makontak puntahan ka nya kng san ka convinient...

Originally posted by php4us
Hi raijuta

I read the thread. It think it would be a nice idea if the company that your group has dealt with can make the same offer in this forum. Can you ask them if they are willing? Also, can you also invite odee so he can share some light for both would-be users and skeptics alike?

Thanks.

[php4us]

Hi raijuta

I'm actually a newbie here. In fact, a newbie driver so my comment is addressed towards you plus the administrators of this forum like ghosthunter. They have been skeptics of this product so I was just thinking, it might be for the good of the members of this forum if they themselves can test it and post the results here.

I remember it was ghosthunter (or another admin) memtioned in another thread that they will test out one of these devices if there's a money back guarantee. I think this is better. Aside from the MBG, they can also help us evaluate the product here -- whether it turns out to be negative or positive.

What do you think ghosthunter, et. al?

[niky]

Originally posted by ghosthunter
Car manufacturer CAN adjust their car's ECUs to do exactly what these devices are doing. The reason why they don't is because they have to make sure their cars run well, smooth and RELIABLE even when their owners/drivers put regular gasoline (low octane) in their tanks.

Running an engine too lean can make it overheat too.

Woohoo!!! Someone finally hit the nail on the head!!! (I wonder why no one has mentioned this before... I knew this one also...)

Excessively lean running can cause heat damage to the inside of an engine.... Have you ever wondered why some ghetto turbo engines catch fire? That's because the engine leans out and the metal starts to burn. :D

This won't be as dramatic in slightly leaned out engines, but you may be exceeding specific factory safety parameters.

[raijuta]

eto po updates ko for this day..share ko lang

Oct 4 for Automatic Transmission

nag hahataw ako kanina sa macapagal highway..kaya sobrang akasaya sa gas...pero if you will think..tipid pa din..compared sa dati ko na 6-8KM/L

Start trip - 182.6

End trip - 208.6

26 KM

nung nagpafull tank ako ang nakarga is 2.14

26 KM/2.14 = 12.14 KM/L

HTH!

[raijuta]

php4us sir....np po yun..actually pinost ko po yung result ng testing sa ibat ibang car groups for benefit po nung mga interested sa product.... kc dami ko ng nakikitang nagtatanong ng result nito. Sana nga ok sya until the last day...

Originally posted by php4us
Hi raijuta

I'm actually a newbie here. In fact, a newbie driver so my comment is addressed towards you plus the administrators of this forum like ghosthunter. They have been skeptics of this product so I was just thinking, it might be for the good of the members of this forum if they themselves can test it and post the results here.

I remember it was ghosthunter (or another admin) memtioned in another thread that they will test out one of these devices if there's a money back guarantee. I think this is better. Aside from the MBG, they can also help us evaluate the product here -- whether it turns out to be negative or positive.

What do you think ghosthunter, et. al?

[raijuta]

Sir buknoy2002...di ko lang po sure kng yung iba may money back guarantee...sabi kc sa amin ni mr reambillo...kaya sila nagbibigay ng money back guarantee kc sure sila na effective ang product....kaya daw...may mga negative comments dahil dun sa mga dealers na di marunong mag install.....certified mechanics po ng khaos yung mga nasa kanila...so sure yung effectivity ng product...well..nung una nag dududa ko dito sa product na to..pero...as the days pass by..unti unti ngang may pinapatunayan tong produkto na to...Ang maganda pa kay mr reambillo..di mo kailngan pumunta sa shop nila..i install nila kng nasan ka nandun....para convinient syo..

Originally posted by buknoy2002
raijuta,

do all dealers of khaos offer money back guaranttee? o si reambulo lang?

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by php4us
I'm actually a newbie here. In fact, a newbie driver so my comment is addressed towards you plus the administrators of this forum like ghosthunter. They have been skeptics of this product so I was just thinking, it might be for the good of the members of this forum if they themselves can test it and post the results here.

I remember it was ghosthunter (or another admin) memtioned in another thread that they will test out one of these devices if there's a money back guarantee. I think this is better. Aside from the MBG, they can also help us evaluate the product here -- whether it turns out to be negative or positive.

What do you think ghosthunter, et. al?

I am a skeptic of this device because I already know how it works inside and out. I can build you one if you give me half a day in a machine shop or assemble one from parts you can get from Banawe and it will NOT cost you P6000,... much much less.

Or you can simply re-tune your engine. That will cost you much much less than P6000. All you need is a visit to your trusted mechaniko.

Or you can have your car STOICHed for less than P6000 (for those who know Larry F.).

[ghosthunter]

The discussed device leans out the air-fuel mix. There are reasons why it is avoided.

http://home.earthlink.net/~graham1/M...s/LeanBurn.htm

Lean Burn - Why it is Usually Avoided

An Otto Cycle engine is made to operate below its peak power by restricting the flow of air into the engine with a throttle valve. Drawing air into the cylinder past this restriction creates a partial vacuum, which takes energy. The reduction in fuel efficiency thus caused is called "pumping loss". The Prius engine uses the Atkinson Cycle to reduce this loss. Power reduction is achieved by keeping the intake valve open and expelling part of the fuel/air mixture as the piston rises. A side effect is a lower peak power for a given engine size.

An apparently superior method to either closing the throttle or expelling fuel/air mixture is to keep the volume of air allowed into the cylinder the same as for full power and to reduce only the amount of fuel. This is called "lean burn", because a fuel/air mixture with less fuel than is needed to consume all the oxygen in the air is called "lean". Some engines use this technique, notably the Honda Insight engine. However, special design considerations are needed to overcome several problems. This side-bar explains why lean burn is not the "silver bullet" it at first appears to be. It should not be taken to mean that there is anything wrong with engines properly designed to use lean burn.

The following explanation of the major problem of lean burn, engine damage


High Temperature, Pre-Ignition and Detonation Caused by Lean Burn

Normal combustion is never complete; by the phenomenon of thermal equilibrium, there remains an unburned boundary layer of air-fuel mixture insulating the metal components of the combustion chamber from the propagating flame front, that fractal beast of burning air/fuel mixture originating at the spark plug. A dangerously lean air/fuel mixture burns with most efficiency, so much that the insulating boundary layer also gets consumed and the flame front touches the metal walls. At those locations, there is a dramatic rise in temperature, high enough to cause subsequent charges of air and fuel to spontaneously ignite resulting in multiple flame fronts. This is pre-ignition. Preceding each flame front is its sonic pressure wave whose collisions we hear as knocking and pinging. Allowed to persist, colliding sonic pressure waves will concentrate on the irregular shapes present (edges of pistons, valves, even the spark plug) to cause severe damage, just as you could with a hammer in your hand; this is detonation.


Similar Problems with Octane Too Low

Also, using fuel whose octane is too low, that is, fuel with a greater tendency to spontaneously ignite under the heat and pressure of a particular engine, can instigate multiple flame fronts with their usual knocking, pinging, and risk of damage from heat or detonation.


Oxides of Nitrogen Emissions Caused by Lean Burn

In addition to the engine damage problems caused by lean burn explained by Al, above, high combustion temperatures and an excess of oxygen cause the formation of oxides of nitrogen. The respiratory problems caused by air pollution are due in large part to these emissions and reducing them is an important goal of environmentally sensitive vehicles. The Honda Insight has special equipment to trap and convert oxides of nitrogen in the exhaust. Even so, with lean burn it is unable to qualify as a SULEV vehicle because of the remaining oxides of nitrogen that cannot be removed.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by raijuta
eto po updates ko for this day..share ko lang

Oct 4 for Automatic Transmission

nag hahataw ako kanina sa macapagal highway..kaya sobrang akasaya sa gas...pero if you will think..tipid pa din..compared sa dati ko na 6-8KM/L

Start trip - 182.6

End trip - 208.6

26 KM

nung nagpafull tank ako ang nakarga is 2.14

26 KM/2.14 = 12.14 KM/L

HTH!

You know, I can also run my car at 100-120kph up and down Macapagal Hiway and get 10 to 12 km/L in my car with the setup I use to drive everyday. In typical city driving I get around 6-8km/L, with airconditioning running. That's with typical traffic going to makati, cubao, quezon city and all points inbetween.

You have proved nothing in this message except you like to waste your time, waste expensive gasoline and drive recklessly fast without valid reason.

[raijuta]

Sorry sir..im not proving anything..nagpopost lang po ako..ng result for this day...sorry if this message cause a negative impression... Di naman po ako nag drive recklessly...first time po kcing umabot ng 3k yung rpm ko...dahil laging hang 2k lang ako...just want to test this product kapag higher than 2k na yung rpm mo..

yung normal city driving ko po kc is 6-8KM/L after ng nlagyan ng device..,naging 12-13KM/L. Im just testing the product po..for the group..and will not get anything from it...

Originally posted by ghosthunter
You know, I can also run my car at 100-120kph up and down Macapagal Hiway and get 10 to 12 km/L in my car with the setup I use to drive everyday. In typical city driving I get around 6-8km/L. Thats traffic going to makati, cubao, quezon city and all points inbetween.

You have proved nothing is this message except you like to waste your time, waste expensive gasoline and drive reckless fast without valid reason.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by raijuta
Sorry sir..im not proving anything..nagpopost lang po ako..ng result for this day...sorry if this message cause a negative impression... Di naman po ako nag drive recklessly...first time po kcing umabot ng 3k yung rpm ko...dahil laging hang 2k lang ako...just want to test this product kapag higher than 2k na yung rpm mo..

yung normal city driving ko po kc is 6-8KM/L after ng nlagyan ng device..,naging 12-13KM/L. Im just testing the product po..for the group..and will not get anything from it...

driving along macapagal hiway is NOT city driving.