Gas saving device

[odeereambillo]

Nakikita mo ung FORD CLUB PHILIPPINES sa signature ko sa baba? Sabi niyo accredited na to ng FORD Phil Dealers, Pwedeng-Pwede kami mag GROUP BUY.

Sagot, Bilis sayang ang time..!!

Good Day to you sir Odee.

Jason Kiper.

and Kris.. WELCOME TO TSIKOT..!! Post naman kayo sa Pitstop..masaya dun..diba ate Gretzy?!! We are one big family here! [/B]

Sir Jason,


pag ok na po ung verification niyo sa Ford, sakin na lang kayo mag-group buy ha!

sigurado po mas mahal sa Ford! hehehe!

[odeereambillo]

Originally posted by ghosthunter
Mr odeereambillo,

I guess you are more in position to answer some of these questions (since you are a dealer of the device) aready asked before (but never answered at all):

Maybe you can list the agencies and the car MANUFACTURERS and post the documents supporting this.

Sir, i have the full documentation. I can come to you at your most convenient time and place for you to see for yourself para wala ng doubts.

Originally posted by ghosthunter
How was the "correct" mixture of 15:1 air-gas ratio measured? If you can measure such, what instrument was used?

head office/Inventionhaus International Corp (IIC) doesnt have the instrument for this, but thanks to your comments, my shop just ordered a Stoich tester and an A/F guage.

Originally posted by ghosthunter
The statement "pollution-free"... does that include NOx & SOx emissions? (SOx for diesel engines).?

wala pa po akong nakitang emission testing center na may reading ng NOx/SOx. kanikanina lang po nagpatest kami sa DOST, wala po silang NOx/SOx data na nakuha. kung meron po kayong alam na facility na nagte-test na may NOx/SOx reading, paki post lang po at dadalhin ko po ang gamit ko dun para ipatest.

Originally posted by ghosthunter
As stated in the quote from the website: increased engine power and carbon monoixde level down to zero... how was this measured and verified??

Sir, may alam po ba kayong dyno testing center dito para maipa-test natin? gaya po ng nabanggit ko kanina kakagaling lang namin ng DOST, wala na po ung bench dyno nila. According to DOST also, wala narin ung sa UP. Saan po kaya?

My word is my honor! Wala po akong tinatago tungkol sa produkto na ito. Hindi ko rin po nais na manloko ng tao. Kung sakali pong may makita tayong mali sa produkto na ito, ititigil ko po, kasi pangalan ko na nakataya dito. Sabi ko nga po, e, Full name ko ang ginamit kong login name...

thanks and more POWER!

Odee

PS

Sensya na po nagulo ko ung formatting ng mga letra.



[SIZE=1]Edit: I have edited odeereambillo's quoted reply for clarification purposes only. No part of the full text was changed/edited in the process. -Ungas[/SIZE]

[odeereambillo]

Originally posted by kiper
First Post-First Question ko sa Gas saving device Thread na to..di masagot nung nagbebenta..Pano ako bibili ng produkto mo nyan. You should know what is your product, how it works and why should your prospective customers buy your product. Gumana nga ung produkto mo, di naman maintindihan ng consumer kung pano gumana ung produkto mo..ano un magic? Business 101..hehe Business Administration ang kurso ko eh...sensya na.

Sagot, Bilis sayang ang time..!!

Good Day to you sir Odee.

Jason Kiper.

Sir,

pwede po ba ako mag-demo sa grupo niyo? that way i will be able to explain better how the magic of the device works... pwede po sa auto ko muna, after ko po ma-explain, your choice po if you want a demo unit on your Ford Escape....

thanks po & more POWER sir Jason!

Odee

[odeereambillo]

To Kiper, Niky, Ghosthunter, Squala:

sir please try to visit this link, it might help!

http://www.entrepreneur.com.ph/board...php?topic=2742

the mobile team mentioned is from my shop!

thanks & more POWER!

Odee

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by odeereambillo
To Kiper, Niky, Ghosthunter, Squala:

sir please try to visit this link, it might help!

http://www.entrepreneur.com.ph/board...php?topic=2742

the mobile team mentioned is from my shop!

thanks & more POWER!

Odee

I consider the thread mentioned to be just more testimonials.

Given the number of faked people testifying for the device here, I would assume that the same has happened over there.

Also, these people are not experts.

BTW, where are your facts and data to support the claims of the device? Like long term damage to the engine, increased NOx and SOx emissions?

[ghosthunter]

BTW, NOx with water vapor creates nitric acid. Increase in NOx emissions would causes our mufflers and exhaust systems to rust and deteriorate faster than normal.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by odeereambillo
To Kiper, Niky, Ghosthunter, Squala:

sir please try to visit this link, it might help!

http://www.entrepreneur.com.ph/board...php?topic=2742

the mobile team mentioned is from my shop!

thanks & more POWER!

Odee

I noticed something in that thread.

blu_gsr_98 has a total of only 5 messages posted.
All five messages are basically in this message thread.

Do I smell "fake" accounts?

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by odeereambillo
Sir, i have the full documentation. I can come to you at your most convenient time and place for you to see for yourself para wala ng doubts.

My most convenient time is when you have scanned and emailed the documents to me.

ghosthunter*tsikot.com

Don't complain... the guy from EGO also emailed his "supporting" documents the same way.

head office/Inventionhaus International Corp (IIC) doesnt have the instrument for this, but thanks to your comments, my shop just ordered a Stoich tester and an A/F guage.

is that a wide band a/f meter or a standard 7 bar meter?

wala pa po akong nakitang emission testing center na may reading ng NOx/SOx. kanikanina lang po nagpatest kami sa DOST, wala po silang NOx/SOx data na nakuha. kung meron po kayong alam na facility na nagte-test na may NOx/SOx reading, paki post lang po at dadalhin ko po ang gamit ko dun para ipatest.

So this proves that the device is NOT properly tested for reduced pollution! Basically this can be taken as an admission by you that the device is not tested for pollution.

Sir, may alam po ba kayong dyno testing center dito para maipa-test natin? gaya po ng nabanggit ko kanina kakagaling lang namin ng DOST, wala na po ung bench dyno nila. According to DOST also, wala narin ung sa UP. Saan po kaya?

So this proves that the device is NOT properly tested for increased power nor increase fuel milage.

My word is my honor! Wala po akong tinatago tungkol sa produkto na ito. Hindi ko rin po nais na manloko ng tao. Kung sakali pong may makita tayong mali sa produkto na ito, ititigil ko po, kasi pangalan ko na nakataya dito. Sabi ko nga po, e, Full name ko ang ginamit kong login name...

I could use Jose_Rizal or George_Washington as my login name if that would change anything.

Given the two proven fakes who are giving positive testimonies for the device in question, I find difficult for find trust and honor.

[Auto_Xer]

For proper testing of emissions you'd need a 5 gas analyser.
I know of one, it costs around $6k FOB if your interested.

Imo, most magic fuel saving devices are just placebo effect devices.
Just because you installed something you unconciously change your driving habits slightly, just enough to produce the improvement in fuel economy your looking for.

I've tried a few of those gadgets some time in the past out of curiousity at a time when I didn't know any better.

Now that I know better, I don't.

Not an expert, just common sense combined with knowledge of how some things work....

[odeereambillo]

Originally posted by ghosthunter
I consider the thread mentioned to be just more testimonials.

Given the number of faked people testifying for the device here, I would assume that the same has happened over there.

Also, these people are not experts.

BTW, where are your facts and data to support the claims of the device? Like long term damage to the engine, increased NOx and SOx emissions?

Sir,

pls clarify.. are you saying that blugsr & jplazo are "fakers"? i thought you could check their IPs. i sincerely doubt if they come from both/same IP.

Odee

[odeereambillo]

Originally posted by ghosthunter
My most convenient time is when you have scanned and emailed the documents to me.

ghosthunter*tsikot.com

Don't complain... the guy from EGO also emailed his "supporting" documents the same way.




is that a wide band a/f meter or a standard 7 bar meter?


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So this proves that the device is NOT properly tested for reduced pollution! Basically this can be taken as an admission by you that the device is not tested for pollution.


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So this proves that the device is NOT properly tested for increased power nor increase fuel milage.

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I could use Jose_Rizal or George_Washington as my login name if that would change anything.

Given the two proven fakes who are giving positive testimonies for the device in question, I find difficult for find trust and honor. [/B]

Sir,

sige po email ko sayo lahat ng docs supplied to me by IIC.

alin po ba ang mas maganda, wide band or ung standard 7 bar?

Sir, i'll email you the doc that proves it was properly tested. sa Taiwan po ung emission testing para walang "lagay"

Increase in HP po wala po akong nabasa sa mga docs na binigay ng IIC sakin. Fuel mileage po, ung doc na Ford Makati Test Results ang e-email ko sa inyo.

Sino po ang tinutukoy niyo na "proven fakes"?

thanks & more POWER!

Odee

[kiper]

Odee.. Ang request ko po ay thru e-mail or post it here. Hindi ba pwede yun? Sayang sa gas pag nagkita pa tayo eh.. or kung gusto mo sunod ka sakin sa Boracay sa sembreak, bakasyon ako dun. Di naman ako bibili kaagad-agad eh. All I'm asking for are documents concerning evivedences of your good product -- "SEND IT THRU E-MAIL." Yan malinaw na ha.

About blugsr & jplazo.. Hwag mo na sila pakialaman kung fakers man sila or hindi. Magkakilala ba kayo?

[squala]

Isn't it that if they can prove the correct air-fuel mixture through reliable measures, then the NOx issue is settled?

[odeereambillo]

Originally posted by kiper
Odee.. Ang request ko po ay thru e-mail or post it here. Hindi ba pwede yun? Sayang sa gas pag nagkita pa tayo eh.. or kung gusto mo sunod ka sakin sa Boracay sa sembreak, bakasyon ako dun. Di naman ako bibili kaagad-agad eh. All I'm asking for are documents concerning evivedences of your good product -- "SEND IT THRU E-MAIL." Yan malinaw na ha.

About blugsr & jplazo.. Hwag mo na sila pakialaman kung fakers man sila or hindi. Magkakilala ba kayo?

Sir,

OK po, send ko sa email.

Si blu_gsr po was introduced to me by Raijuta to test my product. JPlazo was introduced in turn by blu_gsr dahil satisfied po siya, jplazo eventually ordered 2 units and had them installed on the same day (i.e. on two cars). That's why i sincerely doubt that their posts came from one IP address!

thanks po & more POWER!

Odee

[odeereambillo]

Originally posted by Auto_Xer
For proper testing of emissions you'd need a 5 gas analyser.
I know of one, it costs around $6k FOB if your interested.

Imo, most magic fuel saving devices are just placebo effect devices.
Just because you installed something you unconciously change your driving habits slightly, just enough to produce the improvement in fuel economy your looking for.

I've tried a few of those gadgets some time in the past out of curiousity at a time when I didn't know any better.

Now that I know better, I don't.

Not an expert, just common sense combined with knowledge of how some things work....

Sir, san po ung testing center?

thanks & more POWER!

Odee

[ericp]

HI Odee,

Gud AM....curious lang ako...do you have copies of the original test results? I mean those that are being used as basis for the ads?

Na-test na ba talaga yung product ...using "real" test equipment...ever?

Thanks !

[Tiny]

Originally posted by odeereambillo
Sir,

pls clarify.. are you saying that blugsr & jplazo are "fakers"? i thought you could check their IPs. i sincerely doubt if they come from both/same IP.

Odee

Having the different IP does not mean they're not the same people, all they have to do is log in using another ISP and that would result to a different IP address.

The fact is that these people never in this thread provided scientific proofs and that most of the arguments for the product is composed of different forms of fallacies is enough to nullify their claims.

Perhaps this link may assist you to choose what to avoid in the presentation of your proofs that your product works.

[mazdamazda]

Originally posted by squala
Isn't it that if they can prove the correct air-fuel mixture through reliable measures, then the NOx issue is settled?

for starters, the ECU is already doing that! that's why you have all those sensors (lambda/o2, air mass, etc)!

now, what this devices does is to put in additional air after the ECU has calculated the optimal air-fuel mixture. this would result in a lean mixture.

as i've said before, a lean mixture would slightly improve HC & CO emmission and fuel consumption - BUT the downside of it is that large amount of NOx will not be burned up by the catalyst.

that's because the catalytic converter operates at around 1 to 0.9 lambda (or 15:1 air-fuel mix). any changes in the mixture (like what the device is doing) would result in non-optimal performance of the catalytic converter.

now, what I don't get is how on earth will the said device "measure" the air-fuel mixture and on how it will interact with the ECU.

[blugsr98]

Originally posted by ghosthunter
I noticed something in that thread.

blu_gsr_98 has a total of only 5 messages posted.
All five messages are basically in this message thread.

Do I smell "fake" accounts?

Ghosthunter,
please take a look on WHEN i have my account registered. it seems that you overlooked that one...

I don't post on this forum coz, i really don't have anything to share with the group. This time, i see this experience of mine on this device worth sharing. that's the reason why i opted to post it here.

remember i told you i only have limited knowledge on cars? that's the reason why i only read posts here to gain knowledge and not to share anytihing 'coz that time i don'thave anything to share with the group.

does that answer your question? hmm, seems that your nose is clogged with "something".

or do you really want to prove that you are rght saying that raijuta and myself are fake, why don't we just proceed with the demo and meet you there in person. that is if you have the "xxxxx".

Also, seems that your forgetting somethin. we are not the dealer we are the customer here.

[blugsr98]

Originally posted by Tiny
Having the different IP does not mean they're not the same people, all they have to do is log in using another ISP and that would result to a different IP address.

The fact is that these people never in this thread provided scientific proofs and that most of the arguments for the product is composed of different forms of fallacies is enough to nullify their claims.

Perhaps this link may assist you to choose what to avoid in the presentation of your proofs that your product works.

Tiny, would you dare to see us in person as well as our cars with the khaos device on it? just let us know for you to stop judging our existence. hehehe... ;)