Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[ClaNker]

Left-foot braking is for racing only?

Left-foot braking technique is used in racing and there's no benefit gained from that in a regular daily drive.

Kelan ko sinabing for racing lang??? Basahin mo ng maigi!

Dangit, I do left foot braking after driving through a flood to dry up the rear drum brakes. That's the only benefit I get from left foot braking. Why do I have go a stretch to move my left foot to the right just to step on the brake pedal when in fact my right foot is closer to it.

Now let's move on.

[niky]

Kelan ko sinabing for racing lang??? Basahin mo ng maigi!

Dangit, I do left foot braking after driving through a flood to dry up the rear drum brakes. That's the only benefit I get from left foot braking. Why do I have go a stretch to move my left foot to the right just to step on the brake pedal when in fact my right foot is closer to it.

Now let's move on.

You called someone here a wannabe racer for doing it. Honestly, reading the last few pages this morning, I couldn't believe the intensity of bile directed at one member here for driving in a slightly different and completely legal manner.

There are benefits to LFB. Specifically because it ensures that you will not mistakenly hit the gas pedal when braking. Which is why we advocate two-foot braking in emergencies. Also, it reduces response time in cases where, if your feet or shoes are too big, your right foot can get snagged under the brake pedal during an emergency. The left foot, with that extra space on the left side in an auto, doesn't have that issue.

Didn't mean to dredge it up, but I felt like it had to be said, is all. And LFB is actually a valid method of preventing SUA in auto-equipped vehicles.

[fireice2]

Break lights did not light-up despite the claim that he stepped on the brakes.

[HUMABOL KA]

mukhang yang video ng white montero na yan ang magpapahamak pa sa mga mag sasampa ng kaso sa MMPC kung talagang umapak siya sa brakes iilaw at iilaw ung brake lights nia, kahit nga nakapatay makina ng montero pag inapakan mo brakes umiilaw ung brake lights kalokohan naman na sabihin baka napundi un wow 3 ilaw ng brakelights napundi lahat edi dun pa lang obvious na kung ano klaseng driver siya.

kasi sa pag atras nia pa lang you would expect na makikita mong nakailaw ung brake lights dahil kusang aatras yan ng dahan dahan pag naka "R" yan kaya alalay na lang sa brakes gagawin mo chaka ka lang aapak sa accelerator kapag nawalan ng momentum ung sasakyan or nag full stop ka at ung pag apak pa nga sa accelerator eh slight lng dapat cnu ba naman gagong aatras tapos isasagad ung accelerator.

and it was clear na pinanggigilan nia ung accelerator sa taranta nia hindi uusok ung montero ng ganun hanggat hindi mo i-floor ung accelerator.

[Monseratto]

One of the first cases of MS SUA was dimissed because there was a video...yep, its a copy cat... Down to the smoking tailpipe. Takot mga litigants ikaso ang mmc kaya dinadaan sa trial by publicity.

One of these cases has already been dismissed by the DTI in favor of MMPC, while the other two are pending, said the Mitsubishi executive.

"There was one case in which the CCTV video clearly showed that the Montero Sport's brake lights weren't on upon impact, and that the exhaust pipe was even emitting smoke," Dytianquin told us. The driver, in other words, was stepping on the gas, not the brakes.

[ClaNker]

You called someone here a wannabe racer for doing it. Honestly, reading the last few pages this morning, I couldn't believe the intensity of bile directed at one member here for driving in a slightly different and completely legal manner.

There are benefits to LFB. Specifically because it ensures that you will not mistakenly hit the gas pedal when braking. Which is why we advocate two-foot braking in emergencies. Also, it reduces response time in cases where, if your feet or shoes are too big, your right foot can get snagged under the brake pedal during an emergency. The left foot, with that extra space on the left side in an auto, doesn't have that issue.

Didn't mean to dredge it up, but I felt like it had to be said, is all. And LFB is actually a valid method of preventing SUA in auto-equipped vehicles.

Because I would totally understand it if they go to a race track once in a while since that's where you can benefit from this driving technique.

Big shoes on each tiny pedals that are too close to each other let alone your left leg squeezed towards your right during emergency. Yah best driving advice I've got.

Please lang, if you want to advocate left foot braking then at least advice those who will do it to buy an after market brake pedal biased towards left foot braking. I'm sorry but in a stop and go daily reality drive... Good luck with your left foot braking on a right foot biased pedals. My argument is geared towards regular daily drive and pedals biased towards the right foot which all regular cars have. But please enjoy it if your car pedals is optimized for left foot braking, that's a blast in the corners.

If don't get what I'm pointing at then that's not my problem anymore. Now can we move on please.

[minicarph]

Hala, nagalit Sayo si niky. Lets not move on coz this needs to be resolved first .

Pls continue ..

[Juan Martinez]

OB shutthe****up. the last thing we want here is an incendiarist.
Let's move on. maganda yung usapan dito.

[niky]

Because I would totally understand it if they go to a race track once in a while since that's where you can benefit from this driving technique.

Big shoes on each tiny pedals that are too close to each other let alone your left leg squeezed towards your right during emergency. Yah best driving advice I've got.

Please lang, if you want to advocate left foot braking then at least advice those who will do it to buy an after market brake pedal biased towards left foot braking. I'm sorry but in a stop and go daily reality drive... Good luck with your left foot braking on a right foot biased pedals. My argument is geared towards regular daily drive and pedals biased towards the right foot which all regular cars have. But please enjoy it if your car pedals is optimized for left foot braking, that's a blast in the corners.

If don't get what I'm pointing at then that's not my problem anymore. Now can we move on please.

The problem is, you're misunderstanding the situation.

There is no such thing as "right foot" or "left foot" braking pedals.

Automatics have a big, horizontally arranged pedal, sitting in the exact center of the footwell that can be actuated by either foot. Moving either foot towards that pedal means you're already squeezing your legs together. (and again, best practice in an emergency is to have both feet on it!)



Your suggestion is basically: "If you're going to tell people to use chopsticks with their left hand, tell them to use left hand chopsticks."

I don't LFB because I learned RFB. But if you practice LFB and LFB only, there is no practical issue at all.

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I do feel that advocating LFB or at least instilling the instinct to two-foot brake can lessen the number of these incidents. Simply moving your left foot over to the brake will already tell you if your right foot is on the correct pedal.

[ClaNker]

The problem is, you're misunderstanding the situation.

There is no such thing as "right foot" or "left foot" braking pedals.

Automatics have a big, horizontally arranged pedal, sitting in the exact center of the footwell that can be actuated by either foot. Moving either foot towards that pedal means you're already squeezing your legs together. (and again, best practice in an emergency is to have both feet on it!)



Your suggestion is basically: "If you're going to tell people to use chopsticks with their left hand, tell them to use left hand chopsticks."

I don't LFB because I learned RFB. But if you practice LFB and LFB only, there is no practical issue at all.

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I do feel that advocating LFB or at least instilling the instinct to two-foot brake can lessen the number of these incidents. Simply moving your left foot over to the brake will already tell you if your right foot is on the correct pedal.

Not all AT car have wide brake pedal comfortable for left foot braking, I'm squeezing my balls when I tried left foot braking in my old nissan. But it will be comfortable if I will put a left foot biased pedal in my car. Get the highlight?

I would rather do regular heel toe braking method not the heel toe drifting technique. It's far more efficient and I don't have to switch driving style between manual and automatic. Matter of fact that's what I'm doing.

[fireice2]

Hirap talaga gawin LFB pag manual. Wifey freaked out big time! Lol

[tonggressman]

The problem is, you're misunderstanding the situation.

There is no such thing as "right foot" or "left foot" braking pedals.

Automatics have a big, horizontally arranged pedal, sitting in the exact center of the footwell that can be actuated by either foot. Moving either foot towards that pedal means you're already squeezing your legs together. (and again, best practice in an emergency is to have both feet on it!)



Your suggestion is basically: "If you're going to tell people to use chopsticks with their left hand, tell them to use left hand chopsticks."

I don't LFB because I learned RFB. But if you practice LFB and LFB only, there is no practical issue at all.

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I do feel that advocating LFB or at least instilling the instinct to two-foot brake can lessen the number of these incidents. Simply moving your left foot over to the brake will already tell you if your right foot is on the correct pedal.

agree 100% niky..kaya lang di pwede sa LFB tong driver ko..amputated ang left foot niya 2 years ago..

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The problem is, you're misunderstanding the situation.

There is no such thing as "right foot" or "left foot" braking pedals.

Automatics have a big, horizontally arranged pedal, sitting in the exact center of the footwell that can be actuated by either foot. Moving either foot towards that pedal means you're already squeezing your legs together. (and again, best practice in an emergency is to have both feet on it!)



Your suggestion is basically: "If you're going to tell people to use chopsticks with their left hand, tell them to use left hand chopsticks."

I don't LFB because I learned RFB. But if you practice LFB and LFB only, there is no practical issue at all.

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I do feel that advocating LFB or at least instilling the instinct to two-foot brake can lessen the number of these incidents. Simply moving your left foot over to the brake will already tell you if your right foot is on the correct pedal.

agree 100% niky..kaya lang di pwede sa LFB tong driver ko..amputated ang left foot niya 2 years ago..

[niky]

Condolences to your driver's left foot.

That'a s horrible limitation, hanggang automatic lang siya. Hard to find manual-to-auto conversion kits here, nowadays (I've been looking for a side project on assisted-living modalities for handicapped drivers... hirap maghanap!)

Not all AT car have wide brake pedal comfortable for left foot braking, I'm squeezing my balls when I tried left foot braking in my old nissan. But it will be comfortable if I will put a left foot biased pedal in my car. Get the highlight?

I would rather do regular heel toe braking method not the heel toe drifting technique. It's far more efficient and I don't have to switch driving style between manual and automatic. Matter of fact that's what I'm doing.

Well, in your case, then, that's understandable.

[t2erns]

mga boss anong engine type ba ng montero ang involve dito; 4m41 or 4d56? palagay ko ang main cause ng problem nito ay apps (accelerator position sensor), throtlle actuator (mag rerespond sa apps), and ecu (dapat mag ca-cause ng limp-in pag nag error ang apps). the apps ay may 2 tps (either direct proportion curve sa bawat isa or the inversely proportion like ford's apps). by design pag di nag match ang reading ng 2 sensors ay i ka cut ng ecu ang throttle motor supply (limp-in and wala ng power ang makina).

just recently i worked on a 2005 pajero and napansin ko although may error sa apps di naman gaano nag suffer ang engine acceleration (only the transmission shifting is affected). so i checked the apps and found out sensor 1 is defective but sensor 2 is ok. since it's getting late na, i tried to tweak the circuit by tapping sensor 1 to sensor2 lo and behold the car didn't go on limp-in mode. so that means hindi nag li-limp ang system kahit may problem ang apps circuit. so maaring nangyayari pag nadisconnect ang connector or open wire ang magiging sensor signal will be the same as the sensor pull-up voltage ng ecu (5volts) and the ecu will interpret it as WOT (wide open throttle) kaya ayun hindi na kayang pigilan maski na ng brake ang pagtakbo ni monty.

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mga boss anong engine type ba ng montero ang involve dito; 4m41 or 4d56? palagay ko ang main cause ng problem nito ay apps (accelerator position sensor), throtlle actuator (mag rerespond sa apps), and ecu (dapat mag ca-cause ng limp-in pag nag error ang apps). the apps ay may 2 tps (either direct proportion curve sa bawat isa or the inversely proportion like ford's apps). by design pag di nag match ang reading ng 2 sensors ay i ka cut ng ecu ang throttle motor supply (limp-in and wala ng power ang makina).

just recently i worked on a 2005 pajero and napansin ko although may error sa apps di naman gaano nag suffer ang engine acceleration (only the transmission shifting is affected). so i checked the apps and found out sensor 1 is defective but sensor 2 is ok. since it's getting late na, i tried to tweak the circuit by tapping sensor 1 to sensor2 lo and behold the car didn't go on limp-in mode. so that means hindi nag li-limp ang system kahit may problem ang apps circuit. so maaring nangyayari pag nadisconnect ang connector or open wire ang magiging sensor signal will be the same as the sensor pull-up voltage ng ecu (5volts) and the ecu will interpret it as WOT (wide open throttle) kaya ayun hindi na kayang pigilan maski na ng brake ang pagtakbo ni monty.

maybe mitsubishi engineers forgot to include criterion on apps signal that will command limp-in to the system. if the sensor signal happens to be the same as the ecu pull-up voltage (5v) the ecu must command a limp-in since the signal voltage can never be the same as the pull-up voltage (apps sensor is a variable resistor and there should be a voltage drop).

disclaimer: the above is my opinion only. i haven't encounter yet the new montero models

[Junesp111]

May bug ang firmware ng electronic control module. Mahirap maprove kasi everytime mag on/off ng car, na rerestart yun OS ng car. Maprove lang to kung mabigyan ng access na mareview ang source code. May na prove nang ganitog case (i.e. Defective firmware) sa isang class suit versus toyota, sa US. May indepemden expert ang pinayagan ng court na reviewhin ang source code. At yun nga, may depekto at kulamg sa failsafe codes ang firmware. As long as the trottle can be controlled by the cars's computer, there is always a risk of SUA. Para lang yan PC, nag hahang nang di mo malaman kung anong rason.

I totally agree, yung ECU kasi ang nagcocontrol ng engine lahat ng command (braking, Accelaration, etc.) , pina-process ng ECU ang mga command (via sensor) at ECU ang nag execute ng command pa punta sa engine.

[minicarph]

Condolences to your driver's left foot.

That'a s horrible limitation, hanggang automatic lang siya. Hard to find manual-to-auto conversion kits here, nowadays (I've been looking for a side project on assisted-living modalities for handicapped drivers... hirap maghanap!)



Well, in your case, then, that's understandable.

No we don't understand .. Pls continue

[ClaNker]

Well, in your case, then, that's understandable.

Once in a while I also drive the AT Montero of my client which is the subject of this thread and yes the brake pedal is still too far from the foot rest. Still squeezing my balls, not comfortable.

I would highly recommend a left foot biased brake pedal kit for those who only drive AT cars if you want to advocate for LFB. This will be very useful when maneuvering a tight spaces where most driver fault SUA happens. I will not recommend this to those who switch from Manual and AT car.

[ClaNker]

No we don't understand .. Pls continue

Sister that's niky, intelligent discussion only.

[frostmourn]

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[minicarph]

Sister that's niky, intelligent discussion only.

So u conceded na? Aaaaww, HAaaaa? Bummer