Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

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Errr you can move the shifter from P without pressing the brakes?


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[Monseratto]

Yung driver ng natumbling appears to be very senior indeed... Age could be a factor too. Ilan mga reported MS SUA mga may-edad na driver?

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In late February the Los Angeles Times published an analysis of all 56 Toyota fatality-associated sudden-acceleration cases over last decade, using information from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and elsewhere. The Atlantic�s Megan McCardle did supplemental research on ages. She found the overwhelming majority of drivers were older than 55.

And sure enough the elderly are also vastly more likely to report accidents they believe to be caused by sudden acceleration.

A 1996 study of such incidents by NHTSA�s Office of Defects Investigation regarding General Motors vehicles found that drivers over age 69 had almost seven times the number of such accidents per driver as those under age 38. This is all the more remarkable in that seniors account for less than 3% of all miles driven, while those under 38 account for 50%.

Physical limitations like limited peripheral vision and slower reflexes hardly explain these. What does, says UCLA psychologist Richard A. Schmidt, is a �noisy neuromuscular process.� Schmidt investigated more than 150 cases of unintended acceleration in the 1980s, many of which became the subjects of lawsuits.

�The driver does not really confuse the accelerator and the brake,� explained Schmidt in a recent New York Times op-ed. �Rather, the limbs do not do exactly what the brain tells them to.� The �noise� causes them to perform an �action slightly different from the one intended. The driver intends to press the brake, but once in a while these neuromuscular processes cause the foot to deviate from the intended trajectory.�

At that point panic often kicks in, so the driver doesn�t shut off the ignition, shift into neutral or use the parking brake. Instead he or she just presses the ersatz �brake� harder and harder. And the car zooms faster and faster.

Forbes Welcome

[niky]

Yung driver ng natumbling appears to be very senior indeed... Age could be a factor too. Ilan mga reported MS SUA mga may-edad na driver?

A large majority, from what I remember of cases past. Those that aren't are female drivers with limited experience.

[DacoTyan]

A large majority, from what I remember of cases past. Those that aren't are female drivers with limited experience.

But why is it happening only in the Philippines ?

[frostmourn]

Yep. Bumaliktad montero nya kasi kinabig nya pakanan. Matatakot ako nyan pag ang pajero sport ng thailand at montero challenger ng australia may SUA. Sa dami ng strada dito sa pinas wala pa din reported issue regarding SUA knowing na same engine and platform sila ng montero.

[Manilablock]

Dapat ba lagyan na lang ng emergency engine shut off ang mga montero? Katulad ng mga generators ung pulang button na meron marking press in case of emergency.

[Monseratto]

I guess because there are a lot of MS on the road so the possibility of reporting a "SUA" accident increases...

Senior driver says engine goes wild, goes even wilder when he steps on the "brakes"...

[Stigg ma]

Dapat ba lagyan na lang ng emergency engine shut off ang mga montero? Katulad ng mga generators ung pulang button na meron marking press in case of emergency.

no need, presence of mind lang to push the AT shift lever from D to N, nasanay kase tayo sa wrong way of doing it na need pa pindutin ang shift lock button from D to N making risk of accidental tranny damage due to pwede siya mag slip at malagay sa REVERSE!

the safety button is there for a reason, plus also the users manual which nobody reads, next movement ng auto companies wala na hard copy ng users manual, for more added savings...

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Dapat ba lagyan na lang ng emergency engine shut off ang mga montero? Katulad ng mga generators ung pulang button na meron marking press in case of emergency.

no need, presence of mind lang to push the AT shift lever from D to N, nasanay kase tayo sa wrong way of doing it na need pa pindutin ang shift lock button from D to N making risk of accidental tranny damage due to pwede siya mag slip at malagay sa REVERSE!

the safety button is there for a reason, plus also the users manual which nobody reads, next movement ng auto companies wala na hard copy ng users manual, for more added savings...

[CVT]

I guess because there are a lot of MS on the road so the possibility of reporting a "SUA" accident increases...

Senior driver says engine goes wild, goes even wilder when he steps on the "brakes"...

Some facts, based on video/interview:

Plate Number: NSI 676 - Y2009 release - [Has Mitsubishi "recalled" MS earlier on ???]

Retired DPWH Engineer....

Owns a black Grand Starex, too. There could be a third one based on the spacing in their garage...

Allegedly,- nothing happened even if he stepped on the brake (pedal).


"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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[Stigg ma]

sana may statistics tayo ng ilan ang may cruise control vs sa wala na nag SUA...

dito sa recent video wala siya cruise control... but if the drivers claim was true at of no fault siya meaning, the ECU received a command to floor it! something being done by a cruise control module to reach its set/reset speed, but may safety feature ito, it will only work 40km/h and above... but if the unit has no cruise control option, (maybe there is but is just being disabled by the dealer), then it might have activated but the safety feature is still disabled... just an idea...

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sana may statistics tayo ng ilan ang may cruise control vs sa wala na nag SUA...

dito sa recent video wala siya cruise control... but if the drivers claim was true at of no fault siya meaning, the ECU received a command to floor it! something being done by a cruise control module to reach its set/reset speed, but may safety feature ito, it will only work 40km/h and above... but if the unit has no cruise control option, (maybe there is but is just being disabled by the dealer), then it might have activated but the safety feature is still disabled... just an idea...

[Stigg ma]

old tech kase ang mitsu, di pa implemented sa montero wherein the brake pedal wins vs the accelerator safety feature...

[valskie01]

Errr you can move the shifter from P without pressing the brakes?


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Lahat ng a/t cars ko You can't move the gear shift lever from P without pressing the brake first. Diba dapat standard safety features ito ng mga a/t cars.

[PJ Sinohin]

i am curious...
is there something in the montero's ergonomics and/or pedal design, that makes the drivers more prone to mistaking the silinyador for the brake?

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i am curious...
is there something in the montero's ergonomics and/or pedal design, that makes the drivers more prone to mistaking the silinyador for the brake?

this come to my mind too. magkapantay?

[Stigg ma]

Lahat ng a/t cars ko You can't move the gear shift lever from P without pressing the brake first. Diba dapat standard safety features ito ng mga a/t cars.

nice idea! it made me think!

most probably the disabled cruise control nga ito, why?

case 1: when you start your car nasa P siya, the rev is normal... you press the AT shift button to reverse, no SUA, move the lever from R to N to D, boom SUA!

case 2: start the car, move from P to R to N to D, step on the accelerator, boom SUA!

cruise control does not work on REVERSE!

the premise is DBW - Drive by wire ang montero, therefore disabling the cruise control by the factory/dealer is as simple as a jumper switch or a software version on the ECU... which we all know can fail if not properly designed and tested...

well idea ko lang ito, until this is yet to be proven which i know will not kase ang laki loss nito sa company and they would rather let the issue die, the best way to combat this SUA is presence of mind to push the AT shift lever from D to N, no need to push the safety button...

[dr. d]

this come to my mind too. magkapantay?

i don't remember...
magkapantay..? masyadong magkalapit..? the body positioning on the seat? that middle console bulge..?

i currently own a wigo AT. yess, the comparison isn't fair, but i can't bring myself to mistake the gas for the brake in it..

[dct]

old tech kase ang mitsu, di pa implemented sa montero wherein the brake pedal wins vs the accelerator safety feature...

Pag sinabay ang apak ng gas at brake sa montero, titigil sya

[dr. d]

Pag sinabay ang apak ng gas at brake sa montero, titigil sya

i was about to ask, do they still manufacture cars whose brakes can not rein in the engine?

[Djerms]

Sinabi ko nga din yan sa Auntie ko. Sabi ko na hindi yan SUA. Bobo lang siya kaya sumalpok siya sa barrier at muntik na mahulog sa bangin. LOL.

[niky]

But why is it happening only in the Philippines ?

Have literally no idea.

The only factor that makes me hesitate in saying it's completely impossible is that none of the other markets for the MS are left-hand drive. Meaning the Montero Sport may get its own separate production line at the Mitsubishi plant in Thailand.

But the mechanical parts of the LHD mechanism should be shared with the Strada, which is sold in LHD markets outside of Asia.

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Still... Strada zero incidents, (and it's made in the same facilities) Montero Sport... lots. Which is why the demographic factor keeps cropping up in these cases. Stradas are typically owner driven. And owners are typically younger or working age males.

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I've had tips on one or two incidents happening to friends of friends or friends of family, but after asking, they settled with Mitsu na.

i was about to ask, do they still manufacture cars whose brakes can not rein in the engine?

Nope. And as shown in the TGP video done by Ferman Lao before (I was with him at the racetrack when we first tried it, but not when they shot the vid... wala pa ako sa TGP noon)... as long as your foot is firmly on the brake, the MS doesn't have enough torque to break traction. The torque converter locks at a relatively low engine speed, and the turbo doesn't build up much boost before you hit 2,000 rpm. We even tried dropping the transmission into Drive with the engine already revving... all that happens is the engine bogs before the torque converter can lock up.

[confused shoes]

Error.

Imagine the torque used by the engine going up Marcos Hi-way to Baguio. That should be higher than the torque it used from 0-to moving.

If the brake can not hold the engine from 0-to moving, baligtarin natin yung condition, the car is going down Marcos Hi-way and not all drivers are shifting to low gear pababa, marami na sanang nahulog na Monterosport sa bangin.